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VPU-1 ‘Old Buzzards’ to disestablish
P-3 Interest Group ^ | 5/16/12

Posted on 05/16/2012 5:38:46 AM PDT by pabianice

A specially equipped P-3 Orion assigned to the "Old Buzzards" of VPU-1 is ready to start its turboprop engines on the Hangar 511 flight line at NAS Jacksonville. The squadron will be disestablished on Friday.

A specially equipped P-3 Orion assigned to the "Old Buzzards" of VPU-1 is ready to start its turboprop engines on the Hangar 511 flight line at NAS Jacksonville. The squadron will be disestablished on Friday.

Special Projects Patrol Squadron (VPU) 1 will hold its disestablishment ceremony April 27 at 10 a.m. at NAS Jacksonville Hangar 117. The “Old Buzzards” trace their lineage back 40 years when the Chief of Naval Operations requested the creation of a specially trained maritime patrol unit possessing the necessary expertise, flexibility and quick reaction capability to respond to immediate tasking from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As a result, a unique “special projects” detachment of P-3s was formed from operationally proven aircrew and maintenance professionals.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: vpu1
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1 posted on 05/16/2012 5:38:48 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Better to go with UAVs anyway. Manned patrol planes are obsolete.


2 posted on 05/16/2012 5:40:36 AM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: pabianice

I just don’t know about the switch from the P-3 to the P-7 (737). Two engines versus four, less endurance, no great increase in relevant performance.

A further updated P-3 with the latest avionics would seem to me to have been the better choice. I think politics played a role.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 5:46:36 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: pabianice

That’s a beautiful aircraft.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 5:48:15 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Poundstone

5 posted on 05/16/2012 5:49:21 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: LSUfan

I stand corrected. The aircraft that beat out the Orion was the P-8, a maritime patrol version of the 737.


6 posted on 05/16/2012 5:49:33 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: F15Eagle

That’s a beautiful aircraft.


You are absolutely correct. I had the privilege to serve in five P-3 squadrons over 22 years and accumulated a little over 5000 flight hours in them, and they are magnificent assets. Wags occasionally referred to the as graceful gray gazelles. They aren’t that pretty, in my opinion,but they and their crews and maintainers served the nation well.


7 posted on 05/16/2012 6:04:57 AM PDT by Afterguard
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To: LSUfan
less endurance,

That will come as a surprise to P-8 crews while they refuel in flight, something they couldn't do in a P-3.

8 posted on 05/16/2012 6:07:43 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Afterguard

My years with VP-24 were some of the best of my life. My squadron was disesstablished by our last “progressive” president in 1994.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 6:12:34 AM PDT by hiramknight (Freedom isn't free. Ask a marine, soldier, airmen or sailor.)
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To: LSUfan

Yep. The P-8A (737-800) Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) has been in T&E at Pax River and will be operational later this year. Current plan is 84 airplanes between FY12-19 to replace 120 P-3Cs.


10 posted on 05/16/2012 6:12:42 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: pabianice

The squadron will be disestablished on Friday.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

But that would run counter to those who believe in antidisestablishmentarianism.

(I wanted to be able to say I used that in a sentence once. It even passed the spellcheck.)


11 posted on 05/16/2012 6:22:08 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: pabianice

Just so long as they’re being REPLACED and not disbanded.

Barry’s wunnerfull groovey safe ‘ol world seems none too safe for me.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 6:26:00 AM PDT by Flintlock (THE TRUTH: It's the new hate speech..)
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To: LSUfan

The problem is P-3 airframes. They’ve had it. Designed, I believe, for 20,000 hours. Some have exceeded 60,000 and they are just worn out. The P-8 is a 737-800EX variant and no, it is not a good replacement for ASW work. It wull fly at 20,000 feet and do high altitude ASW. The problem is that high altitude ASW doesn’t work after the detection phase. The Navy wanted 156 P-8s. That is down to 107 officially. Won’t happen. Will end-up with one operational squadron on each coast plus some in HI — which will then be moved to Guam. Since 1991 we have basically abandoned ASW and AMW.


13 posted on 05/16/2012 6:49:26 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: F15Eagle

Aren’t they? For a tube with pointy ends it has always looked clean. The paddle props ooze power and reliability for some reason. Like a C-130, but pretty.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 6:56:36 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: pabianice

It’s kinda hard to go ‘low and slow’ with a 737.

Oh, how I remeber the fun of sneaking up on russian ‘trawlers’, and scaring the crapp out of them.

We considered damage due to salt water intake to be part of the job. That’s why God and the Navy gave us four engines.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 6:59:13 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: A.A. Cunningham
If more than 14 hr endurance was required then the navy could have put ARF on them. I worked heavy depot on these for 11 years and they are an incredibly versatile aircraft especially after the update 3 mods. ESSI/ SSI-K was fixing the wings which was the major problem in the life expectancy. The Army actually proposed that the Air Force allow them to buy the P-3 for convoy protection due to the loiter time and Maverick capabilities.
I started out unimpressed with the airframe but after 11 years I found it to be one ugly, rugged, wonderful aircraft.
16 posted on 05/16/2012 7:19:52 AM PDT by lowflyn (Im nobody, just ask a liberal)
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>>Oh, how I remeber the fun of sneaking up on russian ‘trawlers’, and scaring the crapp out of them.

Me, too. Then the Kinder, Gentler Navy removed our 20 million candlepower spotlights. Man, did turning them on make Soviet crews crap their pants!


17 posted on 05/16/2012 7:29:17 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
It wull fly at 20,000 feet and do high altitude ASW.

Once gain you are quite mistaken.

18 posted on 05/16/2012 8:45:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: pabianice

Me, too. Then the Kinder, Gentler Navy removed our 20 million candlepower spotlights. Man, did turning them on make Soviet crews crap their pants!


Dude, you go as far back as I do! P-3s haven’t had searchlights on them since the early A models in the mid-70s. loved to illuminate trawlers, but was always a little concerned by the flaming copper slag that dribbled into the basket at the bottom of the searchlight.... Lol.


19 posted on 05/16/2012 9:20:26 AM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Afterguard

When I got to my squardon, we stil had a couple Willy vickers.

The great news was the bomb bays would hold more kegs than the P-2V’s for the run up to Kef.


20 posted on 05/16/2012 9:42:44 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: A.A. Cunningham

>>It will fly at 20,000 feet and do high altitude ASW.

>>Once gain you are quite mistaken.

Nope. You are. The P-8 will loiter at 20,000 feet (jets would gulp all onsta fuel in two hours at low altitude) and carry torpedo glide-bombs. Released at high altitude, they will be guided to where they think the sub will be when the torp hits the water. You don’t do this from low altitude. We used to drop torps at between 200 feet and 1000 feet MSL. The Mk 46 worked pretty well from that distance.


21 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:59 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: hiramknight

IIRC, I flew for two weeks during summer cruise 1966 with VP-24. Of course, they were flying the P2-V Neptune back then.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 10:03:48 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Afterguard; Sequoyah101

Knew a guy from high school who wound up flying one of those (perhaps more than a few).


23 posted on 05/16/2012 12:19:49 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: maine yankee

You mean they weren’t just there for fish?

Hehehehehe.

Glad you gave them a scare.


24 posted on 05/16/2012 1:24:47 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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