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Voting for Romney (D-Mass.): The Worst Mistake a Conservative Could Make
Political Realities ^ | 7 Apr 12 | LD

Posted on 05/16/2012 2:51:31 PM PDT by xzins

 

Thanks to LD for allowing me to publish this lengthy article that is mirror-posted at The Country Thinker. It will be shocking to some, but I have been accused (politely) of being crazy, insane, and a variety of similar expressions over my political positions. This is my rebuttal to explain in detail why I am not.

I don’t normally post on Saturday, but I had a conversation with a political consultant friend of mine on Thursday and what we discussed is just too critical to let slide. (I can’t mention his name because he does paying work for the Big Two; he gives his services to Third Parties and Independents for free.) This is going to be one of the tersest posts I’ve ever written, and if you’re a reader who can’t handle criticism of the Republican Party, please read no further so we don’t end up with ill will between us. For those who can take criticism, this may be the most important piece you read this year—if you truly get it, anyhow.

Why am I so passionate today? Well, most readers who visit here know the country is in deep doo-doo. I’m here to tell you that voting for Mitt Romney (D-Mass.) will not change that fact and may make things worse. I will explain two things. First, Mitt Romney (D-Mass.) is the presumptive Republican nominee precisely because he will do nothing to improve our country’s fortunes. He is the chosen one because he will maintain the status quo. That is what the GOP machine has chosen him to do.

Second, you cannot “take over” the Republican machine and turn it into something in decent. I have made that statement before, but I’m going to describe the machine in greater detail. Keep in mind that this is information I have obtained from current and former GOP insiders. Everyone on the inside agrees that the Party has been constructed so it cannot be taken over. They have also constructed a political system so the political duopoly is very, very difficult to challenge. (Republican insiders HATE political freedom, like so many other freedoms.) Whether that’s a good thing or bad thing is a matter of judgment. For conservatives and libertarians it’s bad. For establishmentarians it’s wonderful.

Finally I will explain why voting for Romney (D-Mass.) is the worst thing you can do, regardless of whether you’re a “principals” voter or a “strategic” voter.

If you are not one hundred percent convinced that I am correct in those statements, you absolutely must read the rest of this piece and tell me where I’m wrong. I know I’m correct, and I can assure you that if you vote for Romney (D-Mass.) it will be the greatest political regret of your life.

Inside the GOP

I left the GOP a few years back because of my disgust at the Party’s utter lack of principle and inability to nominate respectable candidates. After some soul searching (and a period of time when I swore I’d never vote again) I landed in the Libertarian Party, which is my natural philosophical home.

Since I have gotten active in electoral politics I have gotten to know some folks who have been involved with both major Parties at relatively high levels; consultants, former members of state central committees, former elected officials, campaign managers, media relations folks, etc. Most are independents now. Some have joined with the Libertarian or Constitution Parties. Some are still with the Big Two. But they have opened my eyes to reveal that which I knew instinctively, namely, the Republican Party is a monstrosity beyond repair, and that is by design. (The Democratic Party is not quite as bad.)

It is the monstrosity of the GOP I am going to discuss here. If I am able to open your eyes, you will be hard-pressed to remain loyal to the beast. You certainly will not pull the lever for Romney (D-Mass.). That would make matters worse, not better.

You cannot learn about Republican Party politics by watching Fox, reading The Wall Street Journal (my favorite media outlet on all other matters), or trusting the Heritage Foundation. They are all in the game that is working against you, the rank-and-file of the GOP. Rush Limbaugh seems to have some sense of how the game is played, yet enables it through his blind allegiance to the Republican Party. He will not say a peep about either Gary Johnson (polling 7% right now, which will probably double when Ron Paul concedes), or Americans Elect (with a $35 million war chest) until he has no choice. These two campaigns will have a dramatic impact on the upcoming election, but GOP loyalists like Limbaugh keep it mum and toe the line when it comes to the GOP’s hatred of political freedom.

You must talk to those who have gone inside the belly of the beast to understand exactly what you’re dealing with. (Get involved with a state or local group—if you dare.)

What is the Republican Party?

So what is the Republican Party? (This also applies to the Democratic Party to a slightly lesser degree.) Politicians are not the Party. This is an extremely point to understand. When you open your eyes to this basic fact, you will see how futile it is to think that you can change things through the ballot box.

To compare the Republican Party to a car, politicians are the hood ornament. Money is the gasoline, and special interests are the driver, mechanic, and gas station attendant. The rest of the vehicle is built of consultants, campaign managers, advisors, bureaucrats, media and marketing folks, state and national committee members, etc., etc. Within the context of Republican Party politics, elected officials yield the least influence. The president may be the most powerful person in the world, but that doesn’t mean he’s in charge. Politicians who sincerely want to do a good job are deemed “Outliers” and are given little influence, or are openly attacked by the Party; see the sordid story of Governor John Kasich (R-Oh.) below. (Obama works off-script an unusually large amount of the time for a president, which is why the Democratic establishment can’t stand him and can’t wait for his next term to finish. Hillary Clinton will be much more compliant.)

The role of the Republican Party is to dole out America’s resources in the manner the major donors wish. The role of politicians, especially the president, is to put a smiling face on it, which is why Romney (D-Mass.) is the GOP’s anointed one. The fact that he is so effective at fundraising should scare the crap out of any sentient being. He’s a handsome, smiling bobble-head; nothing more. It tells you that he will exert little influence over his administration if elected.

So the GOP cannot be taken over at the ballot box. You must move to Washington and evict all of those who comprise the structure of the machine. Good luck with that, especially when you’re going to have to beat the money-men to pull it off.

Smart companies like Goldman Sachs and General Electric donate to both Parties. GS was Obama’s biggest donor last election cycle, and if polls show Romney (D-Mass.) likely to win, they will be his biggest donor. The reason should be obvious; the firm and the other big banks wrote most of Dodd-Frank, and unsurprisingly their market share has increased significantly since the bill was enacted. Had Romney (D-Mass.) been president, he would have signed it, too. (Additionally, Bush and Obama have had thousands of Wall Street folks working in their administrations. It’s a modern-day spoils system, and Romney (D-Mass.) will do the same.)

Thus, Nancy Pelosi’s infamous “you have to pass the bill to find out what’s in the bill” comment was actually non-controversial. Republicans didn’t know what was in Sarbanes-Oxley or TARP when they voted “yea,” either. The powers-that-be wrote them (the accounting lobby in the case of Sarbanes-Oxley, and the Fed and Treasury in the case of TARP), and yes votes were both expected and received.

The Faux Nomination Process (Politics as Usual)

Everyone knows Romney (D-Mass.) was the pre-selected candidate, but the campaign hasn’t gone according to script. There was only supposed to be token resistance to perpetuate the illusion that the rank-and-file actually plays a role in the nomination process. And as soon as he started feeling the pressure, he immediately went negative because he has no positive message to run on. “I promise to take your tax dollars and give them to my campaign donors” isn’t a smash hit with voters.

(Note that Gary Johnson ran zero negative ads in his two campaigns for Governor, although I cannot promise that he will do the same during this election cycle. I will also admit that this article will probably make him uncomfortable if he reads it. After all, I’m not only going negative on Romney (D-Mass.), I’m going negative on the entire corrupt Republican Party.)

So far I have nailed the Governor-who-never-calls-himself-Governor’s campaign perfectly, and I I’m going to tell you how the so-called ObamaCare “repeal” will go down if the bill survives the Supreme Court and he is elected.

I said that during his campaign he would shift his rhetoric to the right during the primaries only as far as necessary to secure the nomination. Check. Next he would shift to the center to win in November. His campaign has admitted that is their strategy. Check. He will then govern to the left as he “works with” Democrats like he did as Governor. He has promised it on the campaign trail. Check. Anyone who thinks this man has a conservative bone in his body has fallen for this used car salesman’s pitch hook, line, and sinker. Not that it matters, because he’s not going to Washington to lead; he’s going there to take orders.

Romney (D-Mass.) is the establishment’s choice because he stands for nothing.

Repeal ObamaCare? Not a Chance.

Romney (D-Mass.) keeps saying he will repeal ObamaCare, but I hope no one is naïve enough to believe him. His donors stand to make BILLIONS because of the bill. They wrote ObamaCare, and now they’re funding his campaign! Do you think health insurance companies are going to allow him to repeal a bill that mandates that all Americans carry gold-plated insurance?

The ObamaCare “repeal” will go down like this: House Republicans will pass a repeal bill. Senate Democrats will block it. There will be lots of tense moments and sparring through the media as the White House and House straw men and -women wage a wink-and-a-nudge “battle” with the Democrats. Romney (D-Mass.) will concede defeat and blame the Democrats, who will claim victory. The Republicans will save face with their base by fighting the “good fight,” as will the Democrats.

Next, Romney (D-Mass.) will take charge of “fixing” it. Democrats will concede that it needs improvement. Campaign donors will draft “revisions” that will benefit the donors, and both parties will agree to those amendments. There will be some token resistance on certain provisions to keep America fleeced into thinking that we have a functioning Two-Party system.

This may come as a shock to Republican loyalists, but the Supreme Court is the last chance at repeal. Now that it’s in place, the Republican Party wants ObamaCare as badly as the Democratic Party. Modified, perhaps, but they still want it. They’re in control of way too much money to relinquish that control. There won’t be enough votes to repeal even if the GOP has a supermajority in the Senate.

(Trust me on this point—I have this information from a state-level insider.)

Reduce Spending? Not a Chance.

If you think Romney (D-Mass.) is going to reduce spending by any appreciable degree, you’re not just sleeping; you’re in a coma. For example, he has said that if the safety net needs fixing he’ll fix it. He has no intention of reducing welfare or other entitlements. If anything he will expand them like George W. Bush.

Will he cut defense spending? Not a chance. Will he seriously tackle Medicare or Social Security reform? He might have the political capital to trim around the margins on one, but certainly not both. What about other discretionary spending? Again, maybe a little nibble on the edges.

Do not forget that the “draconian” Ryan plan merely trims the ten-year deficit from $10 trillion to $8 trillion. That’s the starting point, and Senate Democrats hold the power to block any cuts. Romney (D-Mass.) intends to broker a deal between the Ryan plan and the current path, which means most of the ideas in the Ryan plan will not be implemented because the Republican machine wants to control the money!

Because of rising health care costs (which ObamaCare will worsen), rising interest expenses, and rising entitlement spending due to the Baby Boom retirement, spending will increase under either Obama or Romney (D-Mass.). Any difference between them will be a fraction of a percent.

And, if Romney (D-Mass.) is as much of a war hawk as he is portraying himself to be, spending could easily be higher than a second term of Obama if he launches another war somewhere.

So keep your eyes open. Romney (D-Mass.) has not been chosen because he will reduce spending. He has been chosen to distribute it differently.

(Also, I hope none of you fell for the “cut-cap-balance” nonsense. That was political theater to fool fiscal conservatives. It would never have passed the House if there was any sincere belief it would have passed the Senate and been signed by the president. The driver of the GOP auto (the big donors) would have pulled the plug on it if it was a serious threat.)

Is the Tea Party Dead?

Anecdotally, the Tea Party is nowhere near the force it was in 2010. There have been few primary battles pitting a Tea Party conservative or libertarian against an establishment candidate that have received national coverage. Part of it is because it is a presidential election year, and Obama is so deservedly despised by Tea Party folks. Unfortunately, many Tea Partiers have climbed back in bed with the GOP and have fallen back asleep. The Tea Party is still holding their officials’ feet to the fire, but the fire has dwindled to coals. That is bad news. By and large they have been seduced into playing a losing game.

At the Libertarian Party of Ohio’s State Convention last weekend, Nick Gillespie of Reason.tv began his speech with a picture of former Delaware Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell. It was from her high school years, and she had on a ladybug costume, and it was one of the ones the media used to smear her.

I agree with Nick Gillespie that Christine O’Donnell was exactly the kind of candidate this country needs because she would have challenged the machine and been something other than a hood ornament. Many Republi-zombies complain that it was a winnable seat, and they should have nominated more moderate Mike Castle. No, no, no! It is the Mike Castles of the world that have gotten us into the mess we’re in. Picking a bobble-head because they have the correct letter beside their name will do nothing to clean up the mess.

But even if O’Donnell had won, it would still take dozens of years and hundreds of other victories to get enough politicians in place to evict the rascals who control the machine, as well as a total restructuring of the Party. That’s not going to happen. It is the Republican Party that needs evicted.

The lack of any Christine O’Donnells or Sharon Angles (or Rand Pauls or Marco Rubios) in this cycle tells me I was correct when I expected the GOP machine would work hard to destroy Tea Party insurgents before their campaigns saw the light of day. And many Tea Partiers are to blame for joining with an organization that hates them but will gladly take their money and votes.

The Vice President

Some see a ray of hope for the GOP. There is a lot of talk about Marco Rubio or possibly even Rand Paul receiving the VP nomination. I concede that a Rubio or Paul nomination would be a positive sign that the establishment still fears the conservative wing of the Party. I also concede that Rubio would be harder to smear than Sarah Palin was, but the media would undoubtedly break out some of Paul’s missteps he made during his Senate campaign.

But, do not let your eyes close if Rubio gets the VP nod. Do not fall for the head fake. Keep your eyes open and on the machine. The establishment may like his ethnicity, but they despise his fiscal conservatism. Undoubtedly they would like to get into his head and reprogram him into an establishmentarian. And as an actual VP the machine will keep him out of the public eye as much as possible. (They will also be thrilled to get him off the Senate floor.)

But what about President Rubio? Wouldn’t a Romney (D-Mass.)/Rubio ticket pave the way to the White House for him? Maybe. But being Vice President doesn’t assure that you will be the nominee. Unless a decade in Washington (2 years as Senator, plus 8 as VP) turns him into an establishmentarian Republibot, the GOP will back a more compliant candidate.

Do you think the GOP machine wouldn’t turn on an incumbent? Think again. Here in Ohio, Governor John Kasich is doing a pretty good job, but he wasn’t the establishment’s guy. Like Scott Walker in Wisconsin, Kasich wasn’t supposed to happen. Thus, what should have been an easy win over Ted Strickland turned into a down-to-the-wire nail biter, because neither the state nor national party gave him more than token support.

And now that he’s in office “the machine” has turned on him. The behind-the-doors battle between Kasich and the establishment has become public, and it is pretty clear he will face a primary battle, probably from Secretary of State John Husted. Isn’t it funny that the GOP despises when conservative candidates challenge establishment incumbents, but feels no remorse about challenging a conservative incumbent with an establishmentarian?

And have no fear, it’s almost certain a Democrat will win the 2014 Ohio gubernatorial race. Way to go GOP! A Democrat is better than a conservative, no? After all, Democrats know how to play the game called “governance.”

So keep your eyes open and don’t get too excited if a conservative like Marco Rubio gets the VP nomination. The Party doesn’t want him, and unless he learns to play suck-up to the money men, he will not make it to the White House as a Republican. The establishment will destroy him if he tries.

“Anybody But Obama”— The Most Dangerous Three Words in America Today

If you’ve followed me so far and still have your eyes open, you can understand why these words are so dangerous—and so powerful. This is a call for you to close you eyes and mindlessly pull the lever for Romney (D-Mass.). It is the machine as a hypnotist. “Now close you eyes . . . you’re getting sleepy . . . sleepy.”

Many say that the nation won’t survive a second term of Obama. I have been one of his harshest critics of him from the get-go. I warned people throughout the 2008 campaign that he would be a disaster, and he has not disappointed.

But, how bad his second term might be is overblown, and a lot of it is Republican establishment bluster to intimidate conservatives into accepting their puppet-candidate. Yes, he drives me crazy with his incessant ranting and lying. But the GOP has him effectively neutered legislatively, so there is little for him to do there. I agree that he can still do damage on the regulatory side, but the country can probably limp through four more years.

The second problem with the “Anybody but Obama” argument is that not only is the threat of a second term of Obama overblown, the benefit of a first term of Romney (D-Mass.) has also been greatly exaggerated. As I’ve already discussed, he is not going to repeal ObamaCare. He is not going to reduce spending to a significant degree, and may spend more than Obama with divided leadership. He may back off some EPA regulations, but only if his money men demand it. He will add regulations if his donors request them. Let’s not forget that it was George W. Bush who teed up the era of regulators-gone-wild, and Romney will keep it up.

Romney (D-Mass.) will be little different than Obama because that’s how the Republican Party wants it. There is a very big pie to dish out, and the GOP wants control of the spatula, not to shrink the size of the pie. Worse, we could potentially have eight years of Romney (D-Mass.). If your eyes are open to what he’s about to do to us, that’s a more frightening prospect than one more term of Obama!

Conclusion: What to Do

It should be perfectly clear that I am advocating that conservatives and libertarians abandon the GOP. As a card-carrying Libertarian working on the Gary Johnson campaign, naturally I hope you join us. But I want to make clear that I did not write this highly negative piece just to attract voters to the LP, although I certainly hope it has that effect. I wrote this lengthy article because what I have written is true. I knew it intuitively when I left the GOP, and now that I have spent time with current and former GOP insiders, my gut feeling that the GOP is unredeemable has been confirmed. The Republican machine has been built so it cannot be destroyed at the ballot box.

So if you vote on principal as I do, you probably have already decided against voting for Romney (D-Mass.). Perhaps you will choose Johnson or whoever emerges from the Americans Elect process. Perhaps you will stay home. Any are superior to voting for the Governor-ashamed-to-call-himself-Governor.

If you are a strategic voter, the calculus is different, and it depends on what message you want to send. If you think Gary Johnson has a chance, you should join me, because he’s the only fiscal conservative who will be on the ballot. It certainly would be an effective protest vote. But if you still believe the Republican Party can be saved, nothing would send a better message to the GOP that it need to stop nominating center-left puppets by voting for Obama.

Let’s face it, a Romney (D-Mass.) v. Obama matchup is by far the worst offering from the two major Parties since the weak-president era of the Gilded Age in the late 1800s. This is a shame because Gary Johnson is the best candidate to appear on a presidential ballot in a long, long time. (He is the LP’s presumptive nominee, garnering 80-90% of the vote in straw polls at state conventions.) Perhaps between now and then he will get the traction to make it a competitive battle.

But I am urging conservatives and libertarians: DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY (D-MASS.)! You will be assisting the corrupt machine that despises you, and you will be helping to install a puppet who will ensure that conservatism is kept in check at the federal level. You will be voting against everything you hold dear.

Vote for Obama to kick the GOP in the crotch. Vote for Governor Johnson because you think he’s most qualified. Skip the presidential ballot entirely when you vote in November. Any of these decisions is superior to voting for Romney (D-Mass.)

Just don’t vote for Romney (D-Mass.), the hood ornament of the Republican spending machine. You will regret it.

As for me, you can rest assured that I will not. And if one of the Big 2 candidates wins in November, I will wake up on Wednesday morning with a smile, knowing it wasn’t my fault.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Massachusetts; US: New Mexico; US: Ohio
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To: xzins

Yep, yep and yep.


251 posted on 05/16/2012 8:28:55 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Rudder

I believe a third is: a new conservative party, home for conservatives.


252 posted on 05/16/2012 8:31:18 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of Our Troops Pray they Win every Fight!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, I do know you are better than that. That’s why I love and pray for you CONSTANTLY.


253 posted on 05/16/2012 8:32:27 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop

See my post #41 on this thread.

I know we are coming at this a little differently MHG...but it is not because I am LDS.

I have no great love lost for Romney’s record in Mass...but I have looked into it in some detail. There are about 300 vetoes he made while in office and they say something about him if anyone would just research them all and see. Maybe he did not stand strong enough, and certainly not on all of the right issues...but he did stand up a lot on a lot of good issues...the huge majority DNC legislature over-road him just about every time.

Also I have relatives, strong conservatives whom I trust, who lived there during his admin and they say that he was not and is not the abject evil he’s made out to be. Particularly the stalk about his Judge appointments. There is a committee that is appointed, not voted in, that picks a group of individuals from whom the Governor must choose his appointees. Then that choice has to clear the vast majority owned legislature. Romney had no chance to get anyone remotely resembling a conservative Judge in place there.

Talk to long time FReeper betty boop. She lived there while he was govenor too and has a lot to say about him from 1st hand experience, about his economics, his gun law attitudes etc. and though he was certainly not what you and I would relish in a candidate, he was nothing remotely close to Obama.

So, I have come to the conlcusion after all of that talk, and research, that a vote for him, and particularly if we work hard to expand control of the house and win control of the senate with a whole bunch of new Tea Party candidates, that we can ensure that Romney keeps the commitments he is making now to the issues he has campaigned on and are listed on his site.

If he comes even close to that, the difference between him and Obama will be night and day and we just may be able to start turning this ship of state around.

I join you in voting for Romney for those reasons...as much as I had rather it been someone else (for me Palin, Cain, Santorum and then Newt)...and pray to God in Heaven in Jesus’ name that He will show mercy on us and allow us to realize these goals for our kid’s and grandkid’s sake.

God’s speed.

Why I will Support Romney if he becomes the GOP nominee
http://www.jeffhead.com/romney2012.htm


254 posted on 05/16/2012 8:32:55 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MHGinTN

I think I get it. It appears that you are trying to imply I am a traitor.


255 posted on 05/16/2012 8:35:22 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: tomkat
Salve. I would like to thank you helping me. God be with you. Merci. [Romanian native > ESL]
256 posted on 05/16/2012 8:39:55 PM PDT by MCSP2008
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To: Jim Robinson
Romney can't do anything if there are enough conservatives behind him wearing fatigues and side arms. But if Obama wins he will still have executive orders and Supreme Court picks. We can't allow that.

As you know, Romney was NEVER my guy, but I don't see how principles are being served by standing still or attacking the only people who can stop President Kool Kat.

A difference of opinion shouldn't cause so much anger between allies and friends.

257 posted on 05/16/2012 8:45:10 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: metalurgist
The next president will probably have a chance to name three Supreme court justices. Does this F NG asswipe realize the repercussions if all three are from obama and are lunatic leftists?

Have you seriously reviewed Mitt's judicial appointments in MASS? Mitt's actual record indicates that he will nominate very Liberal judges.

With Mitt or Obama our Republic will incessantly move towards more rabid Socialism.

I can never vote for someone who's record has shown a contempt for Individual Rights and the belief in limited government (with the GOP-e pick and Obama we have a rabid Statist with an R or D to pick from)

I am at peace knowing I will do a write-in and vote Conservative down the ticket.

The GOP-e, Rove, Mitt et all laugh at Conservatives behind their backs. They have contempt for Conservative beliefs.

Mitt's victory will only be a victory for Statists.

258 posted on 05/16/2012 8:46:49 PM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ugh. there = their!!!


259 posted on 05/16/2012 8:47:00 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Robinson
Romney wants to repeal ObamaCare. But he wants to replace it with RomneyCare which is fundamentally the same thing, but he sees it even today as a free-market conservative solution. Only he wants to foist it upon a formerly free people at the state level, where he and Pam Bondi believe it will pass constitutional muster as a states rights issue. This elitist/statist is an evil menace to Liberty!!

See Ronald Reagan on government “solutions” foisted on the people by a group of elites, ie, Romney and the GOP-e. See also freedom and liberty vs socialism and totalitarianism and how Reagan warned us that the socialists would introduce socialism into America via compulsory health insurance, ie, RomneyCare.

Jim: I agree with all of that. But, answer me this: when the choice comes down to Romney vs. Obama, who will you vote for? If neither, isn't that the same as a vote for obama? That I can't do. Maybe the VP choice will make a difference? I know he'll never ask Palin, but if he did... in my opinion, that would be a game changer. Unfortunately, he's a douche and I fear we're all screwed.

260 posted on 05/16/2012 8:50:20 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: xzins
Well you certainly have the courage of your convictions. I have not read many of the replies, but imagine the Republicans on this Conservative forum are frothing at the mouth.

It was hard for me to reach the conclusion I did back in 1998, that the GOP had finally morphed into the power/money grabbing machine that it has. I wanted so hard to believe that they still represented my Constitutionally Conservative values. But they don't and more than likely hadn't for many years before I left.

There is no way I could take the author's suggestion and vote for Hussein. But I have no problem voting for Virgil Goode.

Thanks for posting this. The truth hurts; especially all the "party faithful" that permeate this forum.

261 posted on 05/16/2012 8:52:13 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: Jim Robinson; vortigern; Deb; xzins; All

Precisely on point, FRiend. The government takeover of the health care system amounts to government assumption of one fifth of the economy and leverage over citizens from cradle to grave. Romney is the means by which a flawed initial attempt at this expansion (socialization) of government can be polished and successfully implemented. We must not let our distaste of Obama blind us to the fact that Romney more than Obama is the tool capable of bringing about this change.


262 posted on 05/16/2012 8:53:50 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: xzins
Look, whoever you are. Conservatism is the plane. The Republican Party is the fuel. If you have no fuel, you CRASH!!!!

Got it? There's no stupid Constitution party that's gonna do ANYTHING!!

Constantly attacking the Republicans and lying that the party can't be saved is a lie straight from the Communists Party of America.

263 posted on 05/16/2012 8:55:38 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Constantly attacking the Republicans and lying that the party can’t be saved is a lie straight from the Communists Party of America.
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Constantly attacking the Conservatives and lying that Willie Mitty is the way, the truth and the life is a lie straight from the pits of Hell...


264 posted on 05/16/2012 8:58:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: so_real

What a crock.


265 posted on 05/16/2012 8:59:39 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ImpBill
There are many here, who view themselves as conservative, but are perfectly willing to kneel before their Republican master.

I wonder if the thought has ever crossed their minds that the GOP - e would rather see Obama as President over a conservative.

266 posted on 05/16/2012 9:01:00 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: xzins

Thank you. I can learn a thing or two from your patient and level-headed responses in this thread.


267 posted on 05/16/2012 9:01:27 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

What are you talking about? Go eat a dog.


268 posted on 05/16/2012 9:06:31 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

What a ladylike statement...


269 posted on 05/16/2012 9:06:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
So clutch your pearls, pull up your skirt and RUN AWAY!!!!!!!

Then, go eat a dog.

270 posted on 05/16/2012 9:08:30 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

WOW

Is that what youre cooking for dinner ???

Is it hard to extract the bark ???


271 posted on 05/16/2012 9:08:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Kansas58; xzins

Not necessarily smarter, but clearly more principled.


272 posted on 05/16/2012 9:11:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You’re the one who was defending Obama. Forgotten so soon? Better take those hormone replacement pills...you’re losin’ it.


273 posted on 05/16/2012 9:11:40 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Im a stay-at-home-Mom...

I wear shorts all day ...

and I dont care for pearls...


274 posted on 05/16/2012 9:12:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb

In what way? RomneyCare has enjoyed its sixth anniversary; ObamaCare hasn't been fully implemented yet and already faces repeal. Which candidate do you feel is better suited to establish socialized medicine nation wide?

275 posted on 05/16/2012 9:12:20 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Deb; Jim Robinson; tomkat; GeronL; All
Salve. I pray for you for you have big fight to go, as we do in Euope of countries. This is your house, and I am not will tell you what to do, it is not how I was raised. Only one suggestion, please stop fighting and do not loose energy on yourselfs, fight it against evil you see. I have psoriasis arthritis in full, I can barely type, but I don't complain, I smile and thank Lord is not worst, now put disagreements away and fight what you see and is wrong in your house, I can not tell you how to fix it, it is your house and I respect that. Be nice friends, be nice o.k, everything will be all right. Merci [Romanian native > ESL]
276 posted on 05/16/2012 9:13:31 PM PDT by MCSP2008
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To: Tennessee Nana

You in “shorts all day”? Ugh, I just threw up in my mouth. Better than dog.


277 posted on 05/16/2012 9:14:22 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: xzins

I’m totally willing to join a rebellion. It’s the form and substance of the rebellion that remains elusive.

Personally, I wish there were a way to separate red states from blue states under two governments so we could give it a go as two countries. We are just about evenly split in this country now with one half wanting liberal big-government socialism and the other half wanting conservative limited-government capitalism. And ne’er the twain shall meet. It’s revolving-door policies. We rotate between the two forms of government (w/ variations of each) depending on which party has control.

But conservative America is not yet ready for such a bold rebellion. And until they are, we must work within the revolving-door system we have, even if we want to establish a new conservative party.

I’m leaning heavily toward voting for the Republican nominee. The election is still six months away; the convention only three. Much can happen between now and then. (Natural disasters, race wars, civil unrest, economic collapse, the death of either candidate, terrorist attacks, etc.)

I’ll be praying about my decision until I walk into the booth.


278 posted on 05/16/2012 9:15:58 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Deb

No kid youre confusing the issue again ...

Youre the one who cant defend Willie Mitty without saying

what about Nixon ???

What about Reagan ???

What about Obama ???

as for my hormones theyre just fine thank you...

Im not the one sweating desperation...


279 posted on 05/16/2012 9:16:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb

I want every God-fearing, liberty-loving American to go to the polls and vote their conscience. I want a turnout greater than 2010. I want the tea party rebellion of 2010 to explode and go viral in 2012. I want grassroots tea party conservatives to be voted into as many offices at every level of government that is humanly possible. And if it is in accordance to God’s will then I pray that the new moral majority will drive out the godless abortionists, the homosexualists, the militant feminists, the whacko environmentalists, the statists, the socialists, the Marxists, the communists, the activist and internationalist “Rulers in black robes,” and all the corrupt crony capitalists, the evil doers and assorted enemies of God and Liberty from our government at every level and from all of our government and public institutions. I pray that we restore God and Liberty and sovereignty and freedom and self-rule and sanity to our great nation!!

Vote ‘em OUT!! Recall them!! Impeach them!! Overturn them!! Repeal them!! Throw out the anti-liberty, un-American, unconstitutional evil doers and their corruption, depravity and filth!! Restore freedom and Liberty!!

I do not fear Obama, I loathe him and want to see him and his co-conspirator Joseph Biden impeached, indicted, tried and convicted for high crimes and treason and jailed!! Or run out of office in disgrace like Richard Nixon. Let the newly elected tea party conservative Speaker of the House become the next president or let the newly elected conservative congress select a replacement president!!

But no way in hell will I ever vote for or endorse someone else for president who has a record just like Obama’s in every respect!!

We do not surrender, we reload!! And fight like hell!!


280 posted on 05/16/2012 9:17:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Deb

You should have great legs like mine...

Then you could wear shorts too...

BTW you do look like you could lose a few pounds...


281 posted on 05/16/2012 9:18:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: so_real
Like Obamacare, Romneycare was a Democrat bill. He didn't propose it. It was drawn up by the Democrat-controlled legislature. He watered it down the best he could by making it elective thru employers. According to my friends in Mass. the voters wanted it (my friends didn't). Voters haven't elected conservatives to overturn it and supposedly the polls say they're happy with it.

Repeating all the leftwing crap doesn't help anything.

282 posted on 05/16/2012 9:26:32 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: vortigern

Someone else. Obama and Romney are two sides of the same coin. Their actual records in government are identical: Abortionism, homosexualism, global warmingism, gun-control, statism, crony capitalism, Keynesian economics, elitist government control, socialist health care, liberal judges and appointees, etc. Look it up.


283 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: MCSP2008

bless you. I think you are right. We spend way too much energy fighting amongst ourselves.


284 posted on 05/16/2012 9:28:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: vortigern

There are a couple differences though. Romney was first to successfully implement homosexual marriage and socialized healthcare complete with mandates against the formerly free people and planned parenthood death panels and $50.00 taxpayer funded abortion.

Hoorah for our side!!


285 posted on 05/16/2012 9:31:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You have me confused with someone else. Nixon? Reagan? I’ve never said anything like that to you. I don’t know what you’re talking about, but I’m sure you’re a sweet lady and I was just messin’ with you.


286 posted on 05/16/2012 9:32:00 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

I like your tag line...

You’re (and I) fighting a losing battle here...but it’s one to be fought with honor. Regretfully, we’ve got to pick our battles and try to win small fights...otherwise we’ll get banned for our beliefs.

Continue the fight...Obama is NOT acceptable. Romney is. If people here can’t see that we’ve got several more months to change their opinions.

If things don’t change here then there may not be a Free Republic in November.


287 posted on 05/16/2012 9:32:39 PM PDT by BamaBlue
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen! The Tea Party will be the cavalry. At least that’s what I’m counting on.


288 posted on 05/16/2012 9:35:01 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: CharacterCounts
I like your handle.

Every citizen has the right and I believe responsibility to cast an informed vote as they see fit. So I don't take issue with anyone who votes "for" Mr. Romney. They and they alone must live with that vote and their motives behind casting it. Personally I left the Republican reservation about 14 years ago. It was not an easy decision, but after considerable thought and yes, even prayer I accepted the fact that the GOP no longer represented my core Constitutional Conservative/Traditional values.

I know that I will not live to see the GOP replaced by a true Conservative Party, but in my remaining years I will no longer drink from the Kool-Aide the GOP is dishing out!

289 posted on 05/16/2012 9:36:47 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: CharacterCounts
Not voting for Romney is a blueprint for an Obama victory, and that's not nonsense but a fact. He can't win if we don't vote for him. And if he doesn't win, 0 does.It's as simple as that. Romney is not my boy but he's not Obama.
290 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:20 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Jim Robinson

And after having done that, I’ll yet bet a dozen doughnuts that his fall campaign will declare both to be execrable ideas. Without the slightest sense of irony.


291 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Deb

Sheesh!! GIVE US A BREAK!! Romey still loves his bastard brainchild TODAY and still brags about it as being a “conservative free-market solution!!” Look it up if you don’t believe me.

Check out Pam Bondi boasting that she has been asked to serve on Romey’s new National Health Care Task Force and how Romney’s solution is “good” health care and listen to her claims that RomneyCare is constitutional at the state level and that they already have twenty six states lined up to impose it on us.

Bondi was on Fox’s Greta bragging about this crap just four months ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/bondi/index?tab=articles


292 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: liberty_lvr

Continued accumulation of Primary delegates in the remaining State Primaries is the key to improving Paul’s chances of forcing the GOP-E to hold an OPEN Convention in Tampa.

Paul will then have completed his main task in this Primary: giving the delegates the freedom to DUMP ROMNEY!

My goal is to defeat the insanity of Keyensian Economics in “both” of our very sorry political parties THIS YEAR!

This can be accomplished by the Delegates choosing a stellar Dark Horse Nominee, such as R-Rep. West of Florida, to slaughter Obama in a November Landslide.

The key is to FORCE the GOP-E to allow for an OPEN Convention in Tampa. Without an OPEN Convention the SOS of INSANE Federal Spending will keep America on the same crowded track with Greece, and Kalifornia.

There are over 15, 000, 000, 000, 000 reasons why spending more money this year than was taken in during the previous year is an INSANE path to financial destruction.

Neither Obama or Romney have presented a plan to spend our Federal dollars in a non-insane manner.

For example, the GOP Elite have stood in line to endorse Romney, to endorse “The Ryan Budget,” and to compromise-away every opportunity to reduce Federal Spending.

I included the Ryan Budget, because Rep. Paul Ryan himself says that his “Budget” will balance in 30 YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, I added those exclamation points, because both you and I know that Ryan’s budget will NEVER balance, and thus will never be a fact. The exclamation points are just for volume emphasis.


293 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:51 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: xzins

I hope he changed his principles from when he supported the Equal Rights Amendment, and raised money and campaigned for Douglass Wilder for Governor.


294 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BamaBlue; Jim Robinson

...Obama is NOT acceptable. Romney is.
__________________________________________

is what ???

I think you left off the

“NOT acceptable either...”

Like the boss said

Obama and Romney are two sides of the same coin. Their actual records in government are identical: Abortionism, homosexualism, global warmingism, gun-control, statism, crony capitalism, Keynesian economics, elitist government control, socialist health care, liberal judges and appointees, etc. Look it up.

283 posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:27:05 AM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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295 posted on 05/16/2012 9:45:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't yell at me. It hurts my feelings. I just know that my Tea Party friends in Mass. say he kept it from being much worse (the original Democrat bill) and their tea party chapter is supporting him.

I went to the Mass. Healthcare site and its what they said. Most people get their insurance thru their jobs and the poor people get assistance. That's it.

If Newt had triumphed we wouldn't be having these happy discussions.

296 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:48 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ImpBill
It wasn't until the disastrous Republican Congress of 2004 that I saw the light.

But, I am amazed that any conservative hasn't figured it out after the treacherous way the GOP, treated the Tea Party candidates in 2010.

297 posted on 05/16/2012 9:53:19 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: luvbach1

Romney is not acceptable to many conservatives, if the only reason you can find to vote for him is that he is not Obama then that is sinply not good enough.

Accusing those who do not like Romney of being part of the Obama campaign (remember those trueblue gluesniffers?) is insidious.

I have said that 85% of freepers will probably end up voting for Romney. Why is that not good enough for you? Why do you insist that a socialist leftist get the suicidal imprimature of this conservative website?

You can vote how you like, none of us on this side are telling you how to vote, so why does your side feel that need?


298 posted on 05/16/2012 9:53:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Linda Frances
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299 posted on 05/16/2012 9:56:46 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Jim Robinson

Unfortunately Nana I’m not like you. I also don’t agree with Jim. Obama is the issue. If we have four more years of Obama, and control both the House and Senate (60 votes), we’re still in a position to lose this country. That’s my belief and I’m sorry it doesn’t coincide with yours.

Here’s what’s worse...Obama wins and we don’t have control of the Senate. No impeachement (being upheld) is possible and we’re four more years down a Greece path. We’re probably actually there or worse. I understand the fight I just don’t agree with it.

I actually fear for the survival of this website because of the position that Jim has taken and the Jim Jones type followers that have sucked up to him.

Guess I’ll get banned for this but so be it.


300 posted on 05/16/2012 9:56:46 PM PDT by BamaBlue
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