Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows
NBC News and msnbc.com ^ | May 16, 2012

Posted on 05/16/2012 4:49:58 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-72 last
To: VeniVidiVici

Hahahaha. “kept right on going”


61 posted on 05/17/2012 4:53:31 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster
“An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition.”

I've read other data from earlier posts that puts the range from 2 to 18 inches.

I once attended a lecture on gunshot wounds that featured a forensic examiner demonstrating the testing process by live firing his .38 snubbie into white tee shirts on cardboard target forms at various distances to show the results. While I was impressed with the demonstration, I commented on the fact that all the tests were done on tee's that were flat with a firearm muzzle perfectly perpendicular to the target.
If given the real world 3D nature of the target, the dynamics of the shooter and “target” flailing around, the wind, rain, and other environmental factors, not to mention the oblique nature of the muzzle to target, would the results be quite so cut and dried? I doubt it.
I always groan when the various “CSI” shows trot out all their “scientific” whiz bang test results and solve the unsolvable. Too many people believe the fantasy as fact.

62 posted on 05/17/2012 5:03:32 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: aruanan; editor-surveyor

>>>>There is no such thing as indeterminate when it comes to gunshots in close proximity.

>>You were missing the point. The article said, “intermediate,” which, by definition, is not “close proximity.”

Please see my post #51. Apparently “intermediate range” has a different meaning in the forensics world than the casual definition someone might use during a trip to the pistol range.


63 posted on 05/17/2012 6:41:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster

Thanks. So it’s possible that Trayvon could be struggling over the gun with Zimmerman when the shot was fired at his arm’s length away from it and his hand on the gun could still have prevented the ejection of the casing.


64 posted on 05/17/2012 9:36:37 AM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: aruanan

It’s also possible that the slide hit Zimmerman in such a way that it didn’t move back far enough to allow ejection.


65 posted on 05/17/2012 9:51:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: aruanan

It was you that wanted to miss the point.

They were, as usual, well able to establish that the muzzle was in the one to three foot range when fired. (they had the gun and the cartridges, thus knew how much powder pushed how much lead, making the calculation fairly simple)


66 posted on 05/17/2012 11:03:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: VeniVidiVici

Proper projectile design + bone impact. Entered the rib cage, so it most likely hit bone somehow, taking away a _lot_ of momentum and/or tumbling the projectile.

Terminal ballistics vary widely based on lots of factors.


67 posted on 05/17/2012 11:11:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: dsammons

Yup, heard that early on. Trayvon must have held the slide, which most likely means it was not at contact distance. Grip on slide means no cycling means no ejection.

“bad round” is an interesting theory, as another poster questioned why the projectile didn’t exit.


68 posted on 05/17/2012 11:15:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: goseminoles

Somewhere I read that it was 2 to 4 inches.


69 posted on 05/17/2012 12:27:23 PM PDT by freedomrings69
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Free ThinkerNY

“Martin’s alleged killer”

What’s this “alleged”? Zimmerman admitted it, didn’t he? I mean, he’s gonna offer justifiable homicide as his defense, right, and I think he apologized to Martin’s parents in court.


70 posted on 05/17/2012 1:16:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Noob1999

“Perhaps we should channel JFK to find out the trajectory of the magic bullet that took him down.”

It travelled on a straight line from a window on the sixth floor of the book depository into his melon.


71 posted on 05/17/2012 1:23:06 PM PDT by Tublecane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
They were, as usual, well able to establish that the muzzle was in the one to three foot range when fired. (they had the gun and the cartridges, thus knew how much powder pushed how much lead, making the calculation fairly simple)

Yes, and as it turns out, "intermediate range" means from about 1 to 3 feet, as I posited that they may have a specific definition for this term.
72 posted on 05/17/2012 2:57:34 PM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-72 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson