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Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'
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Posted on 05/17/2012 10:58:09 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

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To: rxsid; kabar; arderkrag

OK, I had promised myself not to go through this again, since pointing out what Minor v. Happersett actually says has been roundly ignored by those who are dead set in their opinion that the U.S. Congress does not have the power to legislate regarding birthright citizenship of the U.S., but I’ll try once again.

The case involved a woman who was born in the U.S. to citizen parents. The Court was saying that there is no doubt that the term “natural-born citizen” would extend to such a person. However, the Court did not say that the term *only* extended to such persons. In fact, the Court wrote, right after rxsid ended his quotation: “Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.”

So the Court was not limiting “natural-born citizen” to those that were citizens under both jus soli and jus sanguinis, it was saying that such persons, which included the plaintiff, were undoubtedly natural-born citizens. The silly theory that Minor v. Happesersett limits natural-born status to U.S. born children of two U.S. citizens is tantamount to claiming that when a court has to rule on whether someone used “hard drugs” pursuant to a code of conduct, and such court says “we don’t need to decide whether cocaine is a hard drug, because this guy was using heroin, which clearly is a hard drug,” that “hard drugs” means ONLY heroin.

That proponents of what I believe is an overly restrictive view of natural-born citizenship are misreading the Minor v. Happeersett Court is further evidenced by the fact that the Court goes on to cite approvingly of Congress passing legislation as early as 1790 making foreign-born children of citizens “natural-born citizens.” The Court clearly did not believe that the term “natural-born citizen” meant only “what Blackstone said was a natural-born British subject”; the Court used the term “natural-born citizen of the U.S.” in contradistinction to the term “naturalized citizen,” as it said earlier in the Chief Justice’s opinion of the Court:

“Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that “no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” and that Congress shall have power “to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.” Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.”

The Minor v. Happersett Court speaks of two types of U.S. citizens: those who are citizens by virtue of birth (which the Court equated with “natural-born citizen” as used in the Constitution when discussing presidential qualifications) and those who become citizens by naturalization. That’s actually pretty good support for my position (and that of most constitutional scholars), which is that persons who are U.S. citizens at birth under laws in effect at the time of their birth (which would exclude those given citizenship retroactively to their birth) are natural-born citizens, in contradistinction to naturalized citizens. And at the very least, Minor v. Happersett does not refute my position.


551 posted on 05/17/2012 3:27:56 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: JohnnyP
"You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time

LMAO! So she just pulled that factoid out of her ass all on her own? She expects people to believe that since Obama didn't give her any biographical info on himself, she put down Kenya as his place of birth just for kicks or something? Then how did she know he had been president of the Harvard Law Review, etc., if he provided no biographical info?

552 posted on 05/17/2012 3:28:46 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kabar
There are only two ways to obtain US citizenship. You are naturalized or you are born a citizen thru jus sanguinis or jus solis.

Give me your definition of "natural born citizen" as defined in the Constitution in terms of eligibility for the Presidency.

That's a non-sequitur. First, the Constitution does not define the term natural born citizen. Second, being born a citizen does not, in and of itself, make one eligible for the presidency. Below is one example of natural born citizens (i.e. not naturalized) whose eligibility for the presidency is still unresolved today.

U.S. State Department Foreign Affairs manual
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
We've been over this a thousand times on FR. It's a waste of time to argue the definition of NBC and eligibility for the presidency.
553 posted on 05/17/2012 3:29:16 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: AtlasStalled

As a writer who has had a literary agent, let me say this: they always have you approve your final bio for their pages. In fact, they almost always have you write it and then submit it. I highly doubt it’s a mistake, no matter who they get to take the fall. So I’m guessing the birther movement extended back to 1991 in a desperate attempt to destroy Obama? And the fact they used this bio until 2007 - right before he announced his candidacy for president which requires him to be a natural born citizen - can’t possibly raise any red flags. We’re just nuts. Funny how all of the other information in the bio is considered accurate, just not his birthplace. What a crock!


554 posted on 05/17/2012 3:29:32 PM PDT by xuberalles ("The Right Stuff" Conservative Novelties http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: ml/nj

Here is a link to http://twitter.com/#!/miriamgoderich ... tweets.


555 posted on 05/17/2012 3:30:03 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: edge919
Was Ted Olson his advisor? It is a joint opinion signed by both. And what about the substance of the opinion? You just can't wish it away. Both Tribe and Olson have been mentioned as possibile SCOTUS justices. There is a reason that both political parties asked them for their opinion.

Both McCain and Obama ran for the Presidency in 2008. Obama is in the WH. He is President and Commander in Chief. He has announced he is running for reelection.

How the Hell are you going to challenge his eligibility if not thru the courts? If it is not resolved thru the courts, then what good is your citing these cases and the law? It is irrelevant.

556 posted on 05/17/2012 3:30:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Erik Latranyi

Ok, little man, I’ll be the Big Man and let you have the last word since you won’t even acknowledge that Rush does use current CNN footage and his staff for up to the minute news reports. How you can say he only uses his stack of stuff is beyond me, and denies the fact that he does use the above resources all the time - in real time.


557 posted on 05/17/2012 3:31:01 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Well, to be fair, at the time it was Michelle Malkin (Ed and AP’s boss) and some others in the ‘conservative circle’ made that ultimate decision.

The same as the cigar-smoke-filled room for the elites (on both sides) to decide for the great unwashed what is worth or not worth pursuing.

All I know is that THOSE Bastards made the work of finding out the truth a whole h3ll of a lot harder! And to top it off, they ran us down and demeaned us as nuts and lunatics ANYONE who thought something wasn't quite right.

That business of letting an "Elite" group of people decide things for the rest of us is LIBERAL bullsh*t. People on our side ought to know better.

They didn't have to agree with us, but to back stab us at every opportunity? For Obama? Why on Earth would they do such a thing?

558 posted on 05/17/2012 3:32:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

I was born on Oklahoma 73 years ago and I speak perfect Okie, English not so much, that my Okie accent is not called out every time I open my mouth on the West coast.


559 posted on 05/17/2012 3:34:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: TigersEye

It was written by a left wing loon, and is therefore garbage in my opinion. Not even worth reading.


560 posted on 05/17/2012 3:34:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: kabar

The acquisition of citizenship at birth does not inherently guarantee eligibility for the presidency.


561 posted on 05/17/2012 3:35:43 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: koraz; Pete
I have seen the original and revised bio. What I don't get is why did he add 'raised in Chicago?'

It looks to me like it said that in both the original and revised bios. It's a strange thing to say though since the first time he set foot in Chicago was 1984 and he would have been 23 yrs old. "Composite" childhood?

Mr. Obama's Neighborhood
The Democratic candidate has made his home in Chicago's Hyde Park, a place that's not like any other in America.

"He first moved there in 1984, when he came to Chicago as a community organizer, and he returned after graduating from Harvard Law School."


562 posted on 05/17/2012 3:36:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ml/nj
Where would a publicist ever come to think he was born in Kenya? And even if some publicist DID do this, does anyone really think that Obama wasn't given a review copy of whatever release and/or promotional material that might be used on his behalf?

Excellent and logical point. Obama most certainly received a copy of this brief bio before it was printed in the literary agents promotion brochure ... that's standard practice.

563 posted on 05/17/2012 3:37:01 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: kabar
Should they be denied

not a matter of should, but by the Constitution they are. Should water be wet? Should pigs not fly while birds can?

564 posted on 05/17/2012 3:37:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: BluH2o

Sounds like we’ve got “Buckhead the Sequel” on our hands.


565 posted on 05/17/2012 3:37:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MMaschin
I agree with you. The courts are reluctant to take up the issue and undo the results of an election, especially of the first black President who is also a Nobel Prize winner. It would be an ignominious end for Obama and incite a powerful reaction by the race baiters.

The only way the courts would take up the issue is if there arises irrefutable proof that Obama is not eligible, e.g., he was born abroad, his birth certificate provided by the WH and the state of Hawaii is a forgery, Obama is holding an invalid SSN, etc. Someone with standing needs to raise the issue. AZ is headed that way.

566 posted on 05/17/2012 3:38:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

The best thing is to just plant the seeds of doubt that will make voters not want to vote for Obama.


567 posted on 05/17/2012 3:39:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Political Junkie Too

And who is going to bell the cat?


568 posted on 05/17/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: no-to-illegals
the company blog is a zone where nearly nobody goes ... http://dglm.blogspot.com/2011/01/dglms-new-blog-and-website.html
569 posted on 05/17/2012 3:40:11 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kabar

I addressed the substance of the opinion. It’s why I said it doesn’t outweigh 18 Supreme Court justices. It doesn’t matter if Olson was Obama’s adviser. Tribe was. He had a conflict of interest. All he had to do was to steer this in the direction that they were told to go in.


570 posted on 05/17/2012 3:40:25 PM PDT by edge919
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To: AuH2ORepublican
OK, I had promised myself not to go through this again, since pointing out what Minor v. Happersett actually says has been roundly ignored by those who are dead set in their opinion that the U.S. Congress does not have the power to legislate regarding birthright citizenship of the U.S., but I’ll try once again.

I stopped reading once I got to this point. The US Constitution grants Congress the power to "naturalize". It does not grant them the power to create "natural citizens." Just as an adopted child cannot be family by blood, neither can an adopted citizen be a "natural citizen" just because Congress makes them a citizen through statute.

Since your premise is flawed, I saw no point in reading further.

571 posted on 05/17/2012 3:42:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: GregNH
GOOD on you!!!

Congratulations and thanks very much!!!

572 posted on 05/17/2012 3:42:55 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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interesting newsletter of May 2012 ... http://www.dystel.com/newsletter/newsletter-54-may-2012/


573 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:24 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: butterdezillion
The hospitals in Hawaii are forbidden by HIPAA from releasing info on patients.

Har, hair, had, HIPAA no longer exists as you will find out when you go to the doc. Doctors are now asking if you have guns in your home, did you know that? Your daughters however, do have a right to privacy from you.

574 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: A'elian' nation

My first attempt at a response disappeared on me — hope this does not double-post.

As the original birthers, Bill & Hill are likely to have vaccuumed up all the good evidence, and would have no scrupples about passing on juicy bits to help O to the exit. Dem’s would beg either of them to step in and save the day.

Your civil suit idea is excellent. All of us who oppose communism and fraud embody a giant class for a class-action lawsuit against O. But Defendants should include the Dem Party, and Nancy Pelosi (for her role in certifying the nomination as Chair of the D. Convention, and the election as Speaker). Throw in several corrupt Hawaii governors and numerous Health Dept personnel for good measure.


575 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:48 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: AtlasStalled

576 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:55 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: BluH2o

Most of the time the bio for a literary agent is generated by the author him/herself. The excuse is complete bulls*it. Most of the time the info is pulled from initial query/submission that the author purposefully submitted to the agent.

There is also the fact that Bill Ayers was probably the guy who connected all this and it is HE that wrote this bio.


577 posted on 05/17/2012 3:44:08 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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link to all newsletters from mention company seen on web at present ... http://www.dystel.com/newsletter/


578 posted on 05/17/2012 3:44:50 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I don't think his parents were ever married. Obama Sr was already married with two kids in Kenya. He supposedly married Dunham (we only have the divorce papers, no marriage certificate.) and never lived with her. One week after the birth of Barack she went to Washington state. Obama Sr went to Harvard and got married again. He was a bigamist at the very least.

The bottomline is that we know very little about Obama except for what he (or Ayers) has written in his phony autobiography. Obama has never been truly vetted. His life has been a fiction. It is unbelievable that we have a Manchurian candidate in the WH.

579 posted on 05/17/2012 3:46:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Yes, by that definition Obama's mother could not have conveyed citizenship. On the other hand, if Obama was born out of wedlock, then another rule applies.

He is a bastard that is your new position? Most here would agree with that so maybe you should post that argument in a separate thread.

580 posted on 05/17/2012 3:46:54 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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here is a client list (posted on web) ... http://www.dystel.com/client-list/


581 posted on 05/17/2012 3:47:07 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Tribe and Olson certainly are left-wing loons. I especially despise Olson's legal opinion denying the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Former SG Ted Olson suggests Heller could impact broad prohibitions on felon gun rights

[L]ittle attention has been paid to the effect that the court's decision could have on regulations defining which groups of people can be excluded from gun ownership. "The Court might decide there are some classes of felons that ought to be treated differently from other classes of felons," a former solicitor general, Theodore Olson, said in an interview on Thursday about the prospect that the Supreme Court may eventually permit felons to own guns.

In interviews, several legal experts say that lower court judges should interpret the Supreme Court's decision in Heller to permit non-violent felons to own weapons. "Why not? I can't see why they shouldn't have gun rights if they don't have a record of violent crime," a lawyer who financed the Heller case, Robert Levy, said. "If the nature of their crime has nothing to do with the commission of violence than it's a pretty strange punishment that would deprive ex-felons of the ability to defend themselves."...


582 posted on 05/17/2012 3:47:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
why does he speak in a perfect American accent?

He doesn't. He has an affected Chicago accent, much like someone who moves to the South will take on a slight accent.

Personally, I cringe every time he says words like "jobs" since he sounds like he's imitating Dan Akroyd playing Elwood Blues.

583 posted on 05/17/2012 3:48:25 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: TigersEye

That’s funny! I thought for sure you had.


584 posted on 05/17/2012 3:48:29 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: no-to-illegals
Thought Alan Keys tried.

Alan Keyes although a candidate on the same ballot as Zero was deemed to have no standing, and as far as I can tell, no human on earth has any standing on this issue.

585 posted on 05/17/2012 3:49:16 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: SatinDoll

Unless Obama’s eligibility is successfully challenged in the courts, he will remain the President and will run for reelection. Citing court cases is meaningless. We have the Tribe/Olson analysis commissioned by the Senate that reached a different conclusion citing other cases. But it was just their opinion just like you have your opinion. So now what?


586 posted on 05/17/2012 3:50:19 PM PDT by kabar
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Look at this ... one inch down on right side .... Historical fiction. - Miriam


587 posted on 05/17/2012 3:51:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thanks for the reference. Of course, until we have a definitive ruling from the courts, we will just opine.


588 posted on 05/17/2012 3:52:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: rxsid

The MSM have pounded into everyone the Hawaii birth story, and demanded People support and accept the Hawaii birth story.

We do not need to explain anything. We have two competing stories, one a birth in Kenya, the other a Hawaii birth

I say we now demand that Progressive’s explain which story is false, and why Obama used that false story.

Personally, I believe Barry understood the story of the Kenyan student, Barack Sr. and how the Kenyan got an affirmative action free ride.
Barry then used the “template” to con others and get free stuff and favors.
Also, Barry can play the my “Father” is a Harvard Graduate card to bolster his application to Harvard Law.


589 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:18 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: null and void

May 17th? That’s early.


590 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:28 PM PDT by fanfan (.http://www.ontariolandowners.ca/index.php?p=1_50_Your-Rights)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the link. This is just another reason why SCOTUS must decide.


591 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:41 PM PDT by kabar
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correction and link ... maybe eight inches down ... on their website ... Historical fiction. - Miriam ... http://www.dystel.com/submit.html


592 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:41 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kabar

It’s not about courts, it’s about creating enough doubt for voters.


593 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"He’s a Kenyan Jim."


594 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the link. This is just another reason why SCOTUS must decide.


595 posted on 05/17/2012 3:54:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: edge919; kabar
The Supreme Court has followed the Law of Nations in defining natural-born citizen.

Just wondering how many thousand Natural Born American citizens were born in overseas American military installation hospitals. Why would McCain's citizenship be questioned?

596 posted on 05/17/2012 3:54:21 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: kabar

Arizona will probably be the first state to throw BHO2 off the ballot, with Missouri afterwards.

It isn’t the responsibility of the courts to force him out of office. And you’re flat-out stupid to suggest Tribe-Olson analysis supercedes the U.S. Supreme Court holding of Miner v. Happersett, which in NOT my opinion.


597 posted on 05/17/2012 3:55:11 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: kabar

Unless be ceases to live should be added as An termite possibility


598 posted on 05/17/2012 3:55:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: itsahoot

Your comment is true.


599 posted on 05/17/2012 3:56:27 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

I get a “Page Not Found” Rather than this hunt around — what is it you think is interesting?

I looked at original list and nothing jumped out at me.


600 posted on 05/17/2012 4:00:07 PM PDT by bunster
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