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Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'
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Posted on 05/17/2012 10:58:09 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

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To: AuH2ORepublican

You probably think that you’re a really crafty liar, but you are really just the common garden variety.

Give up!

Your constant twisting of reality and shreading of logic are painful to behold.


601 posted on 05/17/2012 4:00:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: BerryDingle

To create a diversion for Obama.


602 posted on 05/17/2012 4:00:55 PM PDT by edge919
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To: dfwgator

If it is just about Obama, ture enough. But for the demographic reasons I have cited, we really do need a definitive ruling for the future. With 40 million foreign born (1 in 8 residents of this country,) a number that will grow until by 2050 one in five will be foreign born, the chances are we will have more instances to worry about. Jindal and Rubio are two that come to mine right now. And then there are the 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year plus the many more children born to US citizens overseas.


603 posted on 05/17/2012 4:01:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Dan Nunn

No, I grabbed the ‘blue sky’ analogy out of thin air. (no pun intended) I am literally very glad I didn’t have more coffee in my mouth when I saw your post. So now a large segment of the population will never believe that blood is blue.


604 posted on 05/17/2012 4:02:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

But there is/was a residency stipulation and his mother didn’t meet the qualification because she wasn’t old enough (5 years after 14th birthday and she was only 4 or less years after her 14th birthday).


605 posted on 05/17/2012 4:02:45 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: DAC21

First Elizabeth, now Barry, both lying to Harvard to gain admission and prestige.

Harvard is supporting these two fools.
Harvard’s reputation, in my estimation, is taking a hit.
This soil’s the reputation of every Harvard Grad.


606 posted on 05/17/2012 4:03:19 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: bunster

Went out to grab what could ... who knows it all may disappear ... have not looked it all over ... hoping many others are busy doing the looking too. There may be nothing there ... who knows. Though it is called vetting.


607 posted on 05/17/2012 4:04:31 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks! I’ll check it out.


608 posted on 05/17/2012 4:04:38 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Thanks. I was really hoping that Bill Ayers was also a client of theirs. That would’ve been a kick.


609 posted on 05/17/2012 4:07:57 PM PDT by bunster
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To: edge919

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution is NOT the Law of Nations.

Children born of U.S. citizens overseas are considered ctizens BUT are not naturl born citizens.

NBC is only an eligibility requirement to be President - not a type of citizenship recognized by the U.S.government.


610 posted on 05/17/2012 4:08:18 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll
And you’re flat-out stupid to suggest Tribe-Olson analysis supercedes the U.S. Supreme Court holding of Miner v. Happersett, which in NOT my opinion.

I have said that the Tribe-Olson had no force of law nor did the Senate Resolution that declared McCain eligible to run for the Presidency. They are just opinions. Obama and McCain ran for the Presidency in 2008. Obama was elected. So how the Hell did Miner v. Happerset have any impact?

Obama is running again for reelection. So how are you going to stop him? Citing your opinion on his eligibilty? The only way that Obama can be ruled ineligible to run is thru the courts. So far, every court challenge has failed.

611 posted on 05/17/2012 4:08:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Unfortunately, it will fall to the voters in November.

Since the linked thread was about another ballot access lawsuit by Mario Apuzzo, this time in New Jersey, perhaps he can introduce the new information in that case and see where it leads.

If not, then it's up to sites like this one to put the thought in the minds of the readers that Obama is illegitimate.

At the very least, it seems to have slowed down talk of Rubio or Jindal for the VP slot, and it's taken the wind out of the sails of the more active NBC trolls.

-PJ

612 posted on 05/17/2012 4:09:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: DAC21

What will you conclude if Fox never runs with this story?


613 posted on 05/17/2012 4:10:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: no-to-illegals
Here is a link to http://twitter.com/#!/miriamgoderich ... tweets.

I don't understand. What am I supposed to see there?

ML/NJ

614 posted on 05/17/2012 4:10:30 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: LucyT; null and void; Brown Deer
Thanks for the Pings! This calls for a Marv Albert:

Yessss!

615 posted on 05/17/2012 4:11:46 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: kabar
By your description I would consider your daughter a natural born citizen. Perhaps not if she were as old or older than McCain according to the Chin opinion although he lays out other factors other than just the one change of law he hinges his opinion on. But both the Tribe/Olson and Chin briefs are opinions that have never seen the inside of a SCOTUS chamber. Minor vs. Happersett has and that can be viewed as "settled law."

At any rate; Chin's opinion is interesting food for thought and nothing more. It is not some leftist's wild attempt to twist the law as was suggested above.

616 posted on 05/17/2012 4:12:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AtlasStalled; dynachrome
"The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister."

I thought mack daddy's daddy was a goat herder.

Also, found this from August 2004 on FR no less:

Columnist Says Barack Obama 'Lied To The American People;' Asks Publisher to Withdraw Obama's Book

FReepers knew this guy was a liar and a radical from 2004. Eight years later and three and a half years into his Presidency, people aka sheeple are just figuring out he's a liar, fraud, and radical. Pretty damned sad! Pretty damned sad our country has been nearly destroyed by people unwilling to do a tiny bit of homework!

P.S. If anyone wants to hear more about this "latest" discovery, listen to Peter Boyles tomorrow morning. He's in Denver and will be on it like white on rice. He regularly has all the "Obama is a Fraud" people on like Jack Cashill, Jerome Corsi, Rev. Manning et. al.

Peter Boyles Page

He's on 630KHOW in Denver from 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. mountain time. I can't wait!

Dynachrome, are you going to be listening to Boyles tomorrow? I CAN'T WAIT!

617 posted on 05/17/2012 4:12:58 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: SatinDoll
Children born of U.S. citizens overseas are considered ctizens BUT are not naturl born citizens.

That is your opinion, not fact. We do know that John McCain ran for the Presidency. So was he ineligible because you said so?

Here is a different opinion:

The Constitution does not define the meaning of “natural born Citizen.” The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain’s birth, he is a “natural born” citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.

618 posted on 05/17/2012 4:13:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Chewbarkah

And there is also this possibility I discovered from a UK ‘Mail Online’ reader comment:

Well,this means that according to the British Nationality Act of 1948,he was a subject of the Crown at the time...and probably still is for that matter....isn’t there somebody in the Crown Prosecution Service who is sharp enough to find some way to extradite him to London to stand trial in Queen’s Bench for conspiracy to defraud the entire bloody world or something?

Winston Churchill would get Ultimate Revenge. The Queen too for having to suffer through The One’s speeches on his ipod gift to her.


619 posted on 05/17/2012 4:16:40 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: TigersEye
Minor vs. Happersett has and that can be viewed as settled law."

It has never been cited by the courts in connection with eligibility for the Presidency under the Constitution.

620 posted on 05/17/2012 4:17:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: beaversmom

Boyles is good on this issue, but he also believes Bush and Cheney are criminals, gays should be allowed to marry, pot should be legal, etc.


621 posted on 05/17/2012 4:17:48 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: GBA

Yeah but I don’t get it. I lived in Scotland for 3 years starting when I was 35 and I didn’t come back sounding like William Wallace. Never lost my New Yawk accent. Is it a Madonna like thing with this guy, complete bulls**t? Madonna lives in England for 2 seconds and comes back talking like Keira Knightley. Yeah right baby. Try the con again. How long did the Kenyan live in Chicago anyway? Also has anyone thought of checking out his status with INS? It’s quite possible he could have an expired student visa. But let’s not even look for that, let’s just see his record with the INS or is that shut off as well? I can’t see how due to the freedom of information act.


622 posted on 05/17/2012 4:18:31 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: JohnnyP

Somebody needs to ask Ms Goderich if they routinely made stuff up out of whole cloth at that company, without presenting what they wrote to their client for proofreading.


623 posted on 05/17/2012 4:18:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: AtlasStalled
Devil's advocate here, but the Daily Mail article on this had a side box with a counter argument from Media Matters (big lib group of course) which linked to this New York Times article from February 6, 1990:

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.

''But it's important that stories like mine aren't used to say that everything is O.K. for blacks. You have to remember that for every one of me, there are hundreds or thousands of black students with at least equal talent who don't get a chance,'' he said, alluding to poverty or growing up in a drug environment.'

What a Law Review Does

Law reviews, which are edited by students, play a double role at law schools, providing a chance for students to improve their legal research and writing, and at the same time offering judges and scholars a forum for new legal arguments. The Harvard Law Review is generally considered the most widely cited of the student law reviews.

On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said: ''I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I'm fairly opinionated about this. But as president of the law review, I have a limited role as only first among equals.''

Therefore, Mr. Obama said, he would concentrate on making the review a ''forum for debate,'' bringing in new writers and pushing for livelier, more accessible writing.

A President's Future

The president of the law review usually goes on to serve as a clerk for a judge on the Federal Court of Appeals for a year, and then as a clerk for an associate justice of the Supreme Court. Mr. Obama said he planned to spend two or three years in private law practice and then return to Chicago to re-enter community work, either in politics or in local organizing.

Professors and students at the law school reacted cautiously to Mr. Obama's selection. ''For better or for worse, people will view it as historically significant,'' said Prof. Randall Kennedy, who teaches contracts and race relations law. ''But I hope it won't overwhelm this individual student's achievement.''

Change in Selection System

Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters.

Blacks at Harvard: New High

Black enrollment at Harvard Law School, after a dip in the mid-1980's, has reached a record high this year, said Joyce Curll, the director of admissions. Of the 1,620 students in the three-year school, 12.5 percent this year are blacks, she said, and 14 percent of the first-year class are black. Nationwide enrollment by blacks in undergraduate colleges has dropped in recent years.

Mr. Obama succeeds Peter Yu, a first-generation Chinese-American, as president of The Law Review. After graduation, Mr. Yu plans to serve as a clerk for Chief Judge Patricia Wald on the of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Mr. Yu said Mr. Obama's election ''was a choice on the merits, but others may read something into it.''

The first female editor of The Harvard Law Review was Susan Estrich, in 1977, who recently resigned as a professor at Harvard Law School to take a similar post at the University of Southern California. Ms. Estrich was campaign manager for Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts in his campaign for the Presidency in 1988.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm

With that said, the Daily Mail article has this:

The simmering political row over President Obama’s heritage was dramatically reignited today as a 1991 booklet boldly announced that the Democrat was ‘born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.’

In the cover for a 1991 promotional booklet by Mr Obama’s then-publisher Acton & Dystel, he is as ‘the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, (who) was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.’ The information, which could be used as more ammunition against the incumbent, comes months before what will likely be a close campaign between Mr Obama and likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

The 36-page promotional booklet was exclusively obtained by Breitbart, and was sent out to colleagues within the publishing industry in the early 1990s.

A later biography, which can still be found on Acton & Dystel’s archives, reads: ‘Barack Obama is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

‘He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146034/Obama-born-Kenya-raised-Indonesia-Hawaii-Presidents-literary-agency-promotional-booklet-1991-claims-WAS-born-Africa.html#ixzz1vAjGSEF8

624 posted on 05/17/2012 4:20:35 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Woo hoo! Another moderate candidate! Thanks GOP and voters!)
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To: JohnnyP
Breitbart News attempted to reach Goderich by telephone several times over several days. Her calls are screened by an automated service that requires callers to state their name and company, which we did. She never answered.

She couldn't talk to Breitbart, but now, "all of a sudden" she has a story.

625 posted on 05/17/2012 4:21:25 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: beaversmom

I have to work tomorrow starting at 5am. I’ll have to catch the podcast.

Goat herder? more likely something else he was doing to the goats! haha.


626 posted on 05/17/2012 4:23:18 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: JohnnyP

I’m definitely not a Bush fan, but when he starts going off on Bush and the liberal stuff, I have to turn him off or tune him out. I also can’t stand it when he brings up Richard Nixon. The man is dead and gone. Get over it. Barack Obama is a million times worse than anything Nixon and Bush ever thought about doing. He IS absolutely great on this Obama stuff though. Just hoping he’s not taking the day off.


627 posted on 05/17/2012 4:23:30 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Cracker Jack

“—could be the resurection of the democrat party “———I think you said a mouthfull there. I’ve been saying for some time that we’re watching the absolute failure of the social democrat state. The Eurotrashes are exhibit “A “ where their krap is coming apart in slomo. My only real question is whether our own demorats are willing to save themselves by dumping the illigetimate leadership and turning into the wind to actually solve a problem or two or whether they are going to going to go down with Obamuzzie, no wings, no engines, no prayers?——and be down and out for a generation and a half? I get the sense that there is much turning away from Obamuzzie and there may yet be a Nixon moment where his own folks tell him he’s done. Write your congresscritters and keep the pressure on.


628 posted on 05/17/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: kabar

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you. (And so does Vattel.) The Children of our Soldiers are “natural citizens.”


629 posted on 05/17/2012 4:24:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: no-to-illegals

Just let the New Yorker, Gooderich and the rest continue releasing statements.

Then, drop the next document showing them all to be liars and fools.

Repeat as many times as necessary


630 posted on 05/17/2012 4:25:15 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: kabar

But it does provide a SCOTUS’ definition of ‘natural born citizen.’ The Constitution provides all the context necessary to apply that to POTUS and VPOTUS qualifications. No need for the courts to belabor that with those two things in hand.


631 posted on 05/17/2012 4:25:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: dynachrome

Well I have my suspicions that Obama’s real mama was actually a jackal. We know who his daddy was then. Are those 6’s or 9’s on the back of his head? :)


632 posted on 05/17/2012 4:25:55 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: AuH2ORepublican
My reading of Paine separates birthright citizenship from the natural-born criterion for being President.

Come up with any definition of citizen that you wish, but then add the "natural-born" qualifier to it for establishing the qualification for being president. Paine writes that the criterion for being president is that you are a citizen of two citizen parents.

One can be birthright citizen of no citizen parents, but according to Paine, the 1791 understanding was that that citizen cannot become President.

-PJ

633 posted on 05/17/2012 4:27:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Obama puts on a passable stereotypical black accent too when it suits him. The guy was raised by white people in Hawaii, but when the situation is right, he can conjure up a slight ghetto dialect.


634 posted on 05/17/2012 4:28:58 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: kabar

...Political status [citizenship] is a legal term of art which means, “membership in a nation, and nothing more”. Presidential eligibility refers to municipal status. The holding [Minor v. Happersett {1874)] not only determined Virginia Minor’s citizenship, it directly defined “citizen”, and that definition remains the law of the land today.

First, on pgs. 165-166 [SCOTUS case Minor v. Happersett (1874)], the Court defined the meaning of the word “citizen”. Then, on pgs. 167-168, the court defined the class of “natural-born citizens”. The Court left open the issue of who were “citizens” under the 14th Amendment, which the Court wisely avoided by exercising judicial constraint. Instead, the Court construed Article 2 Section 1, Clause 5, the natural-born citizen clause. In doing so, they defined and closed that class to persons born in the country to parents who are citizens.

The Minor Court’s unanimous opinion and definition of natural-born citizen have never been overruled or even questioned. In fact, the very passage defining the natural-born citizen class was re-stated in Justice Gray’s opinion from Wong Kim Ark. Had he intended to take issue with that definition, or to expand it, then his opinion would certainly contain something like this:

Wong Kim Ark is a natural-born citizen eligible to be President.

But no such statement exists. It’s also important to remember at all times that the Court in Minor specifically avoided construction of the 14th Amendment, thereby defining the class of natural-born citizens and identifying Virginia Minor as a member of that class. Virginia Minor directly petitioned the Court to determine that she was a citizen under the 14th Amendment. But the Minor Court declined to construe the 14th Amendment, and thereafter set about defining the class of persons who were natural-born citizens of the United States in determining that she was a citizen.

In 1996, the US Supreme Court’s majority opinion by Justice Breyer in Ogilvie Et Al., Minors v. United States, 519 U.S. 79 (1996), stated that when the Court discusses a certain reason as an independent ground in support of their decision, then that reason is not simply dictum:

“Although we gave other reasons for our holding in Schleier as well, we explicitly labeled this reason an ‘independent’ ground in support of our decision, id., at 334. We cannot accept petitioners’ claim that it was simply a dictum.”

The Minor Court’s construction of Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution was the independent ground by which the Court avoided construing the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause.

Therefore, such construction is precedent, not dicta, despite POTUS eligibility not being an issue. The Court determined it was necessary to define the class of natural-born citizens, and the definition is current legal precedent.

Had the Court in Wong Kim Ark identified him as a natural-born citizen, there would have been no need to construe the 14th Amendment, just as it wasn’t necessary to construe it to determine Virginia Minor’s citizenship. But Wong Kim Ark was not natural-born, and therefore the Court was required to construe the 14th Amendment to determine his citizenship status...

...The same is true for the Supreme Court’s unanimous opinion in Minor v. Happersett. Had the court intended to say – Some authorities go further and include as natural-born citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of the parents – then that is exactly what the US Supreme Court would have said. But they didn’t.

The above quote is from: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/minor-v-happersett-revisited-2/

It’s the law, Kabar. Fuss all you want, but you are spreading lies and disinformation on Free Republic.


635 posted on 05/17/2012 4:30:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: kabar

Are you braindead?!

It doesn’t matter - it is still the law.


636 posted on 05/17/2012 4:32:40 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I appreciate that. I am of the same mind. But until SCOTUS can address the issue of natural born citizen as it applies to the Constitution and eligibility to be President we will have the Senate commissioning opinions and issuing resolutions.


637 posted on 05/17/2012 4:32:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
The reality is that Obama is in the WH.

The fact is water is wet and exists in 4 states, noe of which has anything to do with the argument. You daughter is not eligible to be President of the United States, but cheer up because at the rate it is going she can be citizen of the world. How cool is that?

638 posted on 05/17/2012 4:35:16 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: TigersEye
But how do you challenge Obama's eligibility without going thru the courts? He is ipso facto the President of the United States. And he is running for reelection.
639 posted on 05/17/2012 4:35:54 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SatinDoll
President Obama.
640 posted on 05/17/2012 4:37:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: itsahoot

John McCain ran for President of the United States. Was he eligible?


641 posted on 05/17/2012 4:38:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: A'elian' nation
isn’t there somebody in the Crown Prosecution Service who is sharp enough to find some way to extradite him to London to stand trial in Queen’s Bench for conspiracy to defraud the entire bloody world or something?

Oh, what a dream that would be. He would be wheeled into the court room strapped upright to a hand truck, his mouth kept closed by some restraint, his eyes darting back and forth.

Crimes against humanity. What a trial it could be!
642 posted on 05/17/2012 4:42:24 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: kabar

What part of treason and fraud don’t you understand?


643 posted on 05/17/2012 4:42:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I lived in Scotland for 3 years starting when I was 35 and I didn’t come back sounding like William Wallace. Never lost my New Yawk accent.

Yeah, but obama would if he wanted to run for some office in Scotland.

Also, it's not uncommon for kids who end up moving a lot, especially the chameleon types like obama, to do what they can to quickly blend in.

It's damn hard being the new kid and you learn the tricks if you move often enough: clothing/style, accent, etc.

This is second nature for professional politicians who change what they need to in order to convince an audience they are one of them.

644 posted on 05/17/2012 4:44:14 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: kabar
Tribe and Olson said this:

Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 — one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory.

The way that reads Tribe/Olson are arguing that jus solis was satisfied. Why even make that argument if jus solis was not relevant?

645 posted on 05/17/2012 4:45:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: jcsjcm; kabar

His daughter is a statutory citizen at birth. That does not inherently guarantee that she is eligible for the presidency. See post #553.


646 posted on 05/17/2012 4:49:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: kabar

“President”?

Excuse me, the office of the Presidency is vacant.

Doesn’t matter what Oprah or Jimmy Fallon or lamestream hack media propaganda ministry or so called conservative reps spout.

Simple fact is no clear certifiable documentation has been presented by Zero affirming Natural Born Citizenship (or much else in background for that matter) because he’s a fraud. Everything hidden, scrubbed is for a reason.

Currently a foreign born non-natural born citizen and illegal alien is squatting in the White Hut.

The Republic has been usurped, we have been in Constitutional crisis.

John McCain is also ineligible being born on Panama soil yet on the 2008 ballot, just as Roger Calero, born in Nicaragua, Socialist Worker’s Party, on the ballot in 5 states is ineligible.

The ruling class elites could care less about the Constitutional requirements of Natural Born citizenship and watch the government trolls, Joint Chiefs, and do nothing law enforcement cowards fall right in line. They are traitors of the highest order. And what will follow is continued degradation of the rule of law, chaos, and war.


647 posted on 05/17/2012 4:50:34 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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But how do you challenge Obama's eligibility without going thru the courts? He is ipso facto the President of the United States. And he is running for reelection.

You don't. That doesn't mean that the legal definitions have not been established. No court has agreed to hear any case far enough for any of them to even address the issue of legal definitions. The cases have been rejected on issues of 'standing to be heard' which makes no consideration of the merits of the actual arguments contained therein.

648 posted on 05/17/2012 4:52:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: DAC21

Clintoons will do anything to keep what Nobama has done on track. They see him as an amateur and losing the election. If they can clear the field for Hitlery, then there is a STRONG chance she can win in November. They can then continue on the path of EOs, regulations, control, etc. God help us.


649 posted on 05/17/2012 4:56:04 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: jcsjcm

But, some service personnel are illegals who join the military in hopes of gaining citizenship. Great for their desire, but you really think their kids should automatically be citizens? Just askin’.


650 posted on 05/17/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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