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Utah School Fined $15,000 [by Obama] for Accidentally Selling Soda During Lunch
theblaze.com ^ | May 17, 2012 | Jonathon M. Seidl

Posted on 05/17/2012 12:08:28 PM PDT by grundle

A Utah high school is learning the hard way that the government is serious about nudging students away from food it doesn’t want them to consume. Davis High School in the Salt Lake City area is having to fork over a whopping $15,000 in fines to the Feds because it accidentally sold soda through a vending machine during lunch.

Federal law requires the school to turn off its soda machines during the lunch period, which is 47 minutes a day. And Davis High school did turn off the machines in the lunch room. However, the school didn‘t realize that there was another machine in the school bookstore that wasn’t being turned off. And when the food police realized it, the school was hit with a $0.75 fine per student for the duration of the offense.

Now the school is going to have to cut money to fine arts programs to make up the cost.

But here’s where things really get nutty, so to speak. Davis High School Principal Dee Burton said that the law is disingenuous. For example, while students can’t buy soda, they can buy sugar-loaded sports drinks and even Snickers bars because they contain, you guessed it, nuts. In addition, students can buy soda earlier in the day before the machines get turned off and drink it during lunch.

And simple economics is at play, too. The ban isn’t forcing students to stop drinking or eating the sugar-laced food and drink. It’s just driving them to places where they can get it.

“The misconception is if we don’t let kids buy candy and pop, we drive them to the cafeteria, it doesn’t drive them to the cafeteria it drives them off campus,” Burton told KUTV.

One commenter on the KUTV website picked up on that.

“The principal is right, the kids will leave campus. What are you going to do? Close Walmart and Quick Trip for 47 minutes every day?” the commenter wrote.

Don’t give them any ideas.


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1 posted on 05/17/2012 12:08:31 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

yep, and driving them off campus to eat... will result in kids dying from car accidents.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 12:12:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: grundle

But that money is coming out of the mouths of the child-run!


3 posted on 05/17/2012 12:14:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: grundle

Just say no - “Not paying it.”


4 posted on 05/17/2012 12:16:27 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

+1


5 posted on 05/17/2012 12:18:41 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: grundle
the government is serious about nudging students away from...

Nudge my ass! A $15,000 is a kick in the crotch.

The gubment must be removed from power.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."


6 posted on 05/17/2012 12:19:37 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: grundle

The fine is just a way of getting TAXES from the parents/taxpayers without the benefits of representation. Period.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 12:19:37 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: bill1952
Not that easy because if you work that means you pay taxes which means YOU and I will pay for it.

The $15,000 fine that is.

It's going to take a lot of time and patience to fix what the last 3 plus years of Obama and cronies have done!!

8 posted on 05/17/2012 12:21:59 PM PDT by Johnny_cash
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To: grundle

School to feds: Drop the fine or we stop distributing free (or reduced) lunches.


9 posted on 05/17/2012 12:22:27 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: grundle
Now the school is going to have to cut money to fine arts programs to make up the cost.

Fine Arts??? Take it away from football, then people might start to care.

10 posted on 05/17/2012 12:23:15 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: grundle

This is criminalization of commerce by regulation. These are the first fruits of totalitarianism whereby the state oppresses the subject through unknowable rules.


11 posted on 05/17/2012 12:23:40 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“But that money is coming out of the mouths of the child-run!”

Yes, however the feds will immediately reroute the money to hire people to rewrite American history and educate our nation’s yutes in the greater glory that is Obama.


12 posted on 05/17/2012 12:23:43 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: grumpygresh

“This is criminalization of commerce by regulation”

Yeah, but there’s the old principle of whatever they subsidize they can regulate. I’m sure their power to fine derives from the fact that they dump other people’s money on the school. We’ve got a vicious cycle going, with federal subsidies. They take money from the people, and in order for the state governments to get it back they havge to agree to a few concessions. Nothing major, just a little social engineering.

States can’t resist it. They’re governments, too, and they need their revenue. They haven’t any central back to print it up. Individuals can’t resist it, either. No one can. It’s their money in some, other people’s in many, cases, and damned if it’ll end up over the border. Filthy lucre is the feds’ trump card. At least until they go bankrupt, which isn’t far off.


13 posted on 05/17/2012 12:29:59 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: grundle

Hope and change, indeed.


14 posted on 05/17/2012 12:32:04 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: grundle
the school didn‘t realize that there was another machine in the school bookstore that wasn’t being turned off

How was a drink machine sneaked into the school bookstore (school bookstore?) without the knowledge of any relevant school officials?

Not that the regulation isn't idiotic beyond belief, but still ...

15 posted on 05/17/2012 1:00:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: grundle
Federal law requires the school to turn off its soda machines during the lunch period, which is 47 minutes a day.

I can see if this had been at my relatively conservative country school back in the 1980's. Most of the teachers would have announced, "Snack machines being shut down in 15 minutes for lunch, anybody that wan't to grab a coke for lunch take five and get it now!"

16 posted on 05/17/2012 1:01:15 PM PDT by apillar
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To: grundle

WHO WAS THE SNITCH??????


17 posted on 05/17/2012 1:22:12 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: grundle

Words fail....


18 posted on 05/17/2012 1:27:18 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: CaptainPhilFan

That was my thought also.

GMTA


19 posted on 05/17/2012 1:28:50 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: All

If UT pols have any bols they’ll send DC a hearty GFY !


20 posted on 05/17/2012 1:32:03 PM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: grundle

Just refuse to pay their stupid fine. Tell ‘em to stuff it.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 1:39:14 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: grundle

If the school is a federally run institution, then you have the government sueing itself. So instead of sending the money to the school they can just keep it and it goes into whose pocket.
Somebody pissed somebody off.


22 posted on 05/17/2012 1:41:08 PM PDT by sunny48 (America, home of the offended)
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To: grundle

$15,000 fine will force cut in Fine Arts program??? Why not cut it from the administrators budget since they were responsible to shut off the machines.

That’s right, there is no way to cut their budget or teachers union budgets.(Sarcasm On)

The fine is ridiculous but at least punish those responsible. I don’t think the Band or Choir is responsible to unplug soda machines.


23 posted on 05/17/2012 1:41:32 PM PDT by NU Huskie In ME
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To: Johnny_cash

“It’s going to take a lot of time and patience to fix what the last 3 plus years of Obama and cronies have done!!”

If they get another 4yrs, the damage will be complete and irreversible. America is gone, for good.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 1:44:28 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: grundle
And when the food police realized it, the school was hit with a $0.75 fine per student for the duration of the offense.

$15,000.00 Fine. 20,000 Students?

25 posted on 05/17/2012 1:44:31 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
driving them off campus to eat

When I was in HS, the powers that be just removed the soda machines.

So, we used to cut class and walk over to the local quickie mart for a soda.

More often than not, we'd pick up a pack of butts (QM's motto? "Not 18? meh. If your money is green, you can buy this") and have a smoke or two on the way back, as well.

So, instead of having an evil, sugar laden Coca-Cola during lunch (when, most normal people would have one).... we skipped school and smoked.

The dichotomy between Liberal Legislation, and the law of unintended consequences, is endlessly fascinating to me.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 1:55:23 PM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill
Sounds like how the War On Drugs works (i.e., less than not at all).
27 posted on 05/17/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: grundle

What law or regulation and which unconstitutional department is demanding this and or enforcing it?

Seems like a great target for immediate elimination along with every pencil neck government stooge employed therein.


28 posted on 05/17/2012 2:34:26 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: grundle

These are the same people who think these kids are mature enough for sex.


29 posted on 05/17/2012 2:38:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

good point.

And I’m surprised with peanut allergies they haven’t banned the snickers and other candy with peanuts.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 2:46:39 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: carriage_hill

The carnage is irreversible from the Clintoon debacle.

We’re presiding over the fall of western civilization, I’m sad to say!


31 posted on 05/17/2012 2:52:00 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: Doomonyou

I think the fine is cumulative over each day the vending machine is turned on, in addition to being based on the number of students.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 3:44:54 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
“The principal is right, the kids will leave campus. What are you going to do? Close Walmart and Quick Trip for 47 minutes every day?” the commenter wrote.

We need to close the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, not Wal-Mart and Quick Trip!!

Don’t give them any ideas.

Hey Chuck and Bob Casey....here's your next bill after the Saverin bill gets passed....'the Wal-Mart and QuickTrip 47 minutes School Lunch Closure Bill of 2012.'

33 posted on 05/17/2012 3:58:19 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: grundle
the food police

And who are they? Does someone come around inspecting schools to make sure vending machines are turned off every lunch period? We're actually paying someone for something so stupid?

34 posted on 05/17/2012 3:59:47 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: wbill
Heh, we had open lunch in the 80's and all the kids knew that there was a store a block from the HS that sold smokes to minors. No questions asked. In fact I'd wager they even let a couple of malt liquors "slide" as well.

I went back recently and the store is still there.

35 posted on 05/17/2012 4:07:41 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: bill1952
"Just say no - “Not paying it.”"

Bingo. That is the key.

Do not pay your property taxes, income taxes, fines and 'costs', the tax portion of your phone and utility bill[s], "user fees"...the list is endless. The system would be overwhelmed and grind to a halt. If threatened with jail, GO! Do not accept plea bargains; make them spend the dough. When some lazy assed govt. worker tells you "It's the law" or "It's our policy", make them show it to you. As I stated, the possibilities are endless.

Oh, but you might lose your credit rating and your home and your car and your job and your family you say? Our founders lost all that, while some lost their lives to implement this grand experiment.

Shy of using the 4th Box [see tag line], I think this is the quickest and cheapest method of crippling government at all levels.

[And yes, I practice what I preach]


36 posted on 05/17/2012 4:33:17 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: grundle
Federal law requires the school to turn off its soda machines during the lunch period, which is 47 minutes a day.

Who's the Solon or Lycurgus responsible for this legislative masterwork?

37 posted on 05/17/2012 4:43:15 PM PDT by x
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To: Tax-chick
"the school didn‘t realize that there was another machine in the school bookstore that wasn’t being turned off"

How was a drink machine sneaked into the school bookstore (school bookstore?) without the knowledge of any relevant school officials?

Reread what you quoted. They knew the machine was there. They didn't know that it was not being shut down when it was supposed to be.

38 posted on 05/17/2012 5:22:32 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: grundle

My kids’ school set up a sign on the vending machine that said it cannot be used by students during school hours. Before school is hard to stop, during the day it is used by teachers, after school it is used by everyone. All the school loses is revenue from the sales to students.


39 posted on 05/17/2012 7:09:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: grundle; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

So these federal NUMBSKULLS think that forcing a school to reduce music and art classes is infinitely preferable to a coke machine being left on in a school store???

Nanny State PING!


40 posted on 05/17/2012 7:43:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: boop
:-) I think that every town has a store or 2 like that.

I was thinking about this yesterday. When I was in HS, what kids got for sodas, more often than not, was the "Liter" bottle. It was the cool thing to do.

So, Instead of having a can of Coke out of the machine at lunch.....

We went and got something three times as big. When we were supposed to be in class. And usually smoked a Marlboro while we drink the illicit soda on the way back to school.

Like I said. Law of unintended consequences is amazing.

41 posted on 05/18/2012 6:16:21 AM PDT by wbill
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To: grundle
Meanwhile.....


42 posted on 05/18/2012 6:46:03 AM PDT by massmike (The choice is clear in November: Romney or Caligula!)
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To: grundle
The most effective way to tell the feds to eff off is for the parents to yank their kids from the school.

When the students don't show up, the school doesn't receive the money.

43 posted on 05/18/2012 7:21:07 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: grundle

The real question is, how did the feds find out? Back in the day, the “tattler” would have received an a$$wooping, however we have become a nation of sheep.


44 posted on 05/18/2012 9:00:43 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 05/18/2012 9:44:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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