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Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting
ABCNews.com ^ | May 17, 2012 | By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO and COLLEEN CURRY

Posted on 05/17/2012 3:51:44 PM PDT by CA Conservative

Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

In addition, Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.

The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Junior_G

They’re still lightening his skin color...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852


101 posted on 05/17/2012 6:49:59 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Jeff Head

I think Zimmerman played LaCrosse at Duke.


102 posted on 05/17/2012 6:52:49 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: treetopsandroofs
From today.....
103 posted on 05/17/2012 6:53:45 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs
From Reuters a few weeks ago....
104 posted on 05/17/2012 6:57:45 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: sport

If Holder did that the Disaster’s election chances plummet even faster.


105 posted on 05/17/2012 7:00:22 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It is a safe bet on who started the fight. Young, big, hopped-up thug with numerous arrests and suspensions OR not-so-big, not-so-young, upstanding citizen protecting his neighbors. Odds about 20 to 1 MINIMUM.


106 posted on 05/17/2012 7:04:04 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Tublecane
"That would depend on a few things. What did the “chasing” constitute?'

With all due respect, you are getting way ahead of yourself. One witness -if there really is one who claims that Zimmerman was chasing Martin- will have to be completely unimpeachable for the statement to amount to anything. The chance of this happening is nearly zero, but if it does, THEN we can dissect what constitutes a 'chase'.

107 posted on 05/17/2012 7:15:19 PM PDT by moehoward
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Click the link.
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108 posted on 05/17/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Williams
"There is nothing inherently wrong with a neighborhood watch guy or anyone else following a person on a public street, possibly even “chasing” after them to keep up. "

There certainly is not. Especially considering the dispatcher directed Zimmerman to "Just let me know if this guy does anything else."

109 posted on 05/17/2012 7:26:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Jack Hydrazine
No doubt, Jack. Calling wtc911, org.whodat, Travis McGee, Revolting Cat, and my favorite, Alice in Wonderland, who used her teenager to bolster her opinions as to what was going on in Treyvan's head.

Never let the facts get in the way of your agenda, guys! You could post link after link of articles or City of Sanford reports and recordings (while they were available) refuting their arguments, and they would pretend they didn't exist. They willingly and excitedly fell for the "coon" report and that Zim wasn't injured as per ABC tapes; pathetic really.

110 posted on 05/17/2012 7:28:32 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: sickoflibs
Scott Walker beats these socialists in WI and we will have one hell of a conservative POTUS candidate material, the quality of which was not close to seen in this R primary.

POTUS only matters when theres some semblance of a country remaining to lead, and if ye talking about '16, i believe thats a bit late...

111 posted on 05/17/2012 8:14:26 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: philetus

You’d think these folks (just about anywhere in this Ewe Essay) would be halfway ethical. They’re not. They’re generally bureaucratic hacks covering their own political hineys.


112 posted on 05/17/2012 8:15:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: bgill

Why did they post a negative of a page? What was that anyway?

One article had Crump claiming those were just trace amounts. I wonder if anybody knows how recent marijuana use would be for those levels.


113 posted on 05/17/2012 8:29:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; CA Conservative
You left out the best part!!! The part about her contacts being out, and seeing unidentifiable persons from the second floor....LOL!!!


114 posted on 05/17/2012 8:36:36 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Navy Patriot
"If Zimmerman is properly prepared for testimony, Corey is looking to be Nifong's roommate. "

I'm sure defense counsels phone is ringing of the hook with attorneys offering free services in exchange for an opportunity to take a bite out the prosecution's rump.

115 posted on 05/17/2012 8:41:09 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

>>With all due respect, you are getting way ahead of yourself. One witness -if there really is one who claims that Zimmerman was chasing Martin- will have to be completely unimpeachable for the statement to amount to anything.<<

In the bond hearing, investigator Gilbreath said that there was a female witness on the perimeter who saw 2 people running in about the same time frame. O’Mara asked if he knew which way they were running or who they were and Gilbreath said no... Doesn’t sound like much evidence to me. Could have been 2 joggers, or two people running to get out of the rain.


116 posted on 05/17/2012 8:57:28 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: moehoward
...attorneys offering free services in exchange for an opportunity to take a bite out the prosecution's rump.

An interesting thought.

Corey's only hope of avoiding sanctions and disbarment, seems to be to get Zimmerman to admit to murder on the stand.

It appears she has absolutely no evidence to contradict the Sanford Police investigation and the police decision of self defense, and to not arrest Zimmerman, and the submission of that report to the DA, and finally that DA's decision not to charge.

Because of this, Corey had no reason to to act, no new evidence, and she knew this before charging Zimmerman.

An attorney with a bone to pick, can deny Corey the evidence she needs to keep her law license by properly preparing Zimmerman, that's the only place she can get it.

117 posted on 05/17/2012 9:12:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Scott Walker beats these socialists in WI and we will have one hell of a conservative POTUS candidate material, the quality of which was not close to seen in this R primary. “

Bingo!


118 posted on 05/17/2012 10:00:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Aunt Polgara

The pic at post 114 appears to be from her statements.


119 posted on 05/17/2012 10:26:29 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s becoming apparent these charges are the result of political pressure. Nothing more.

Supposedly Corey is presenting the notion Zimmerman caused this by exiting his vehicle. I’d love to see what statute supports this nonsense


120 posted on 05/17/2012 10:39:48 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: CA Conservative

My local paper is doing the ‘it’s all so confusing - this for that side, that for the other’ ... For a liberal paper that translates into ‘we want the story to go away because it doesn’t support liberal lies but we have to cover it...’


121 posted on 05/18/2012 6:40:58 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: moehoward
I’d love to see what statute supports this nonsense

I cite that statute in my tagline.

122 posted on 05/18/2012 6:50:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: moehoward
Very interesting. If you read the description of where Zimmerman parked his truck and where Martin's father's girlfriend lived and then look on Google Map, it appears from this account that whomever was being chased was running toward Zimmerman's truck, not toward the home. So this would seem to argue that it was Zimmerman being chased, not Martin. If Martin was being chased, why would he run toward Zimmerman's truck?

What this person's account seems to suggest is that Martin confronted Zimmerman and possibly sucker punched him. Zimmerman ran toward his truck, trying to retreat, but Martin pursued and attacked him again, taking Zimmerman to the ground, where the other witnesses saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, beating him.

123 posted on 05/18/2012 6:56:49 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Corey’s only hope of avoiding sanctions and disbarment, seems to be to get Zimmerman to admit to murder on the stand.”

Ah, so she’s going for the “You can’t handle the truth!” moment. I can hear Zimmerman now, “You want me on that nightwatch! You need me on that nightwatch!”


124 posted on 05/18/2012 7:09:48 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: moehoward

“Supposedly Corey is presenting the notion Zimmerman caused this by exiting his vehicle”

That wouldn’t be enough, ridiculous as it is, for muder 2. She also has to prove a “depraved mindset,” which I guess she’ll argue stems from his obsession with crime and his profiling blacks.

By the way, can prosecutors now convict women who shoot their rapists simply by asking, “What were you doing where you could be raped in the first place, ma’am? Didn’t you, in fact, instigate the sex? After all it never would’ve happened had you not left your house that morning.”


125 posted on 05/18/2012 7:15:46 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
So far, there is absolutely no evidence that supports Zimmerman initiating violence against Martin.

Corey will be allowed to speculate in the opening statement and closing arguments, but she cannot testify or lead witnesses, so she can show zero evidence of Zimmerman initiating violence.

Zimmerman dosen't even need to testify at this point, but the very best defense against a baseless accusation, is a firm, honest, angerless denial in front of the jury.

But, to do this right, Zimmerman must be very well prepared for Corey's language and inflection tricks.

126 posted on 05/18/2012 7:37:42 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Zimmerman dosen’t even need to testify at this point”

I don’t know, I thought I heard somewhere that for him to assert immunity based on self-defense, which I think is what he’s gonna do, he can’t just sit back and dare the prosecution to prove it. Maybe he doesn’t have to take the stand to do so, maybe all he has to do is enter it as a plea. But since the jury has to believe he was in fear for his life for self-defense to apply, and since he’s the only witness to all of what happened, you’d think he has to testify.


127 posted on 05/18/2012 7:45:41 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: treetopsandroofs

and they still haven’t recognized him as an African-American.


128 posted on 05/18/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tublecane
...you’d think he has to testify.

He's not required to testify, but for the points you and I make, and to back up his admissible statements to police and the courts, it's in his best interests to do so and well.

Zimmerman's evidence supported account is that he was ambushed from behind, after he lost track of Martin, and was knocked down, unable to disengage with Martin kneeling on his chest.

At that point, it is impossible to retreat, so he doesn't have to cite SYG to justify shooting, the original Florida self defense allows shooting.

It would be good to relate the ambush directly to the jury, backing up the statement to police. The police believed him, and this time he will be prepared in how to speak and to avoid Corey's traps.

129 posted on 05/18/2012 8:09:46 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Tublecane
"“What were you doing where you could be raped in the first place, ma’am? Didn’t you, in fact, instigate the sex? After all it never would’ve happened had you not left your house that morning.”"

An excellent analogy which could be carried over to just about every victim. Percentage of culpability may be a consideration in some cases, like traffic accidents where there is no clear violation, but not here.

130 posted on 05/18/2012 8:35:38 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: CA Conservative

This pink route is my little hypothetical route taken by Zimmerman. There is absolutely no proof he took it. But if he did it would fit the witness account. Note the "T" at the top near "F" where the Martin was shot. "G" is the male 911 caller, not this female witness.

Zimmerman has said he was walking along the top of the "T", a direct route from his truck "C" toward "E". This would necessitate him walking down the T for some reason.

131 posted on 05/18/2012 9:01:26 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


132 posted on 05/18/2012 9:07:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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