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Trayvon Martin’s death was ‘ultimately avoidable’: Florida police report
NY DAILY NEWS ^ | 5/18/12 | ALIYAH SHAHID

Posted on 05/18/2012 5:58:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Trayvon Martin's death was “avoidable.”

That’s the conclusion of a new police report on the unarmed teen’s killing at the hands of George Zimmerman in Sanford, Fla.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely, if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," the document by Sanford, Fla. Police said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; race; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
"I never claimed he was stoned at that particular instant."

In the 7-11 video, after taking forever to pay for his goodies, he wanders aimlessly in the opposite direction of the exit, then turns and wanders back toward the front of the store and the door to outside. I'd say he was a bit confused as he looked like he didn't know where the exit from the store was.

201 posted on 05/18/2012 11:22:31 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: PhatHead

“I am certain that is why the prosecution earlier implied that Zimmerman did just that”

I missed that, and have been aware only that they assert Zimmerman started the fight by following and confronting Martin, by leaving his truck instead of waiting for the cops, and by allegedly ignoring the 9-11 operator advising him that they don’t need him to continue following. You’re right that there’s no evidence Zimmerman brandished his gun, in which case it’s irresponsible for the prosecution to assert he did.

They are free to weave tales in press conferences and to lead the jury during opening and closing arguments, but the giant hole at trial where evidence that Martin pummeled Zimmerman in defense only after Zimmerman pulled his gun will be noticeable.


202 posted on 05/18/2012 11:27:33 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: kevao

“Has anyone established why Martin was even in that neighborhood in the first place?”

His father lived there.


203 posted on 05/18/2012 11:28:40 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: mass55th
In the 7-11 video, after taking forever to pay for his goodies, he wanders aimlessly in the opposite direction of the exit, then turns and wanders back toward the front of the store and the door to outside. I'd say he was a bit confused as he looked like he didn't know where the exit from the store was.

I never CLAIMED he was stone that instant but I believe he was indeed stoned. Either way, with THC in his system he was breaking the law which was the specific point I was making to refute the other poster's idiotic position.

204 posted on 05/18/2012 11:31:08 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: Tublecane
Nonsense.

The Anthony defense obviated all but two possibilities. The jury just picked the one with absolutely no evidence to support it.

205 posted on 05/18/2012 11:34:08 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: mass55th
You're asking for evidence that something didn't happen?

Seriously?

206 posted on 05/18/2012 11:35:09 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: mass55th
You aren't avoiding someone if you deliberately approach a person, punch them in the face, knock them down, straddle them, and repeatedly smash their head onto the ground.

_________________________________

Please provide proof that Martin approached Zimmerman.

207 posted on 05/18/2012 11:37:50 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Convenient that you left out that I also said Martin was a macho teen and that both were dopes and punks...convenient but predictable.

And, yeah, I do think that Zimmerman was a dope who got in over his head. You want to think he's captain America go right ahead.

208 posted on 05/18/2012 11:40:19 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
"Yep, all that evidence is exactly what I mean...it shows nothing except that there was a fight and Zimmerman was losing. "

You say a fight between Zimmerman and Martin occurred. One of the definitions of "fight" is to "take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows. Show me the physical evidence on Zimmerman that proves he was "fighting" with Martin, and exchanged physical blows with him.

209 posted on 05/18/2012 11:44:33 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Tublecane

Didn’t move the goal line at all...my very first post on the thread asked for proof.


210 posted on 05/18/2012 11:44:46 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Tublecane

Persons my age call that “shacking-up”!
:^}


211 posted on 05/18/2012 11:47:52 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: wtc911

Even if, hypothetically speaking, the evidence is so cloudy that it cannot be told who attacked whom — MR. Z SHOULD GO FREE. REASONABLE DOUBT.


212 posted on 05/18/2012 11:52:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Didn’t mean for you to think I was accusing you of claiming he was stoned. In my personal opinion, if he wasn’t stoned, or high, or under the influence of something that night, then he was a very slow-witted person based on his behavior at the store.


213 posted on 05/18/2012 11:53:22 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wtc911

Please provide proof of the opposite!

All doubts you launch can be applied against your advocacy for T.


214 posted on 05/18/2012 11:55:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: wtc911
"You're asking for evidence that something didn't happen?"

You've formulated a theory of the incident, based on what you "think" happened, not what can be proven by the physical evidence available.

215 posted on 05/18/2012 11:59:57 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wtc911
"Please provide proof that Martin approached Zimmerman. "

And I'm asking you to provide proof that he didn't. Two can play this game.

216 posted on 05/18/2012 12:01:45 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wtc911

Zimmerman’s folly was that of continuing to stand there after Martin had apparently gone? Not thinking that Martin might come back some different way and jump him?

This WAS after all an official Neighborhood Watch person.


217 posted on 05/18/2012 12:02:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“The Anthony defense obviated all but two possibilities.”

Explain this, because I don’t understand. Anyway, it is up to the prosecution to prove its case, and if the jury can come up with any reasonable scenario where what the prosecution speculates happened didn’t happen, then they are obliged not to convict.


218 posted on 05/18/2012 12:05:49 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: wtc911
"Please provide proof that Martin approached Zimmerman. "

And I'm asking you to provide proof that he didn't. Two can play this game.

219 posted on 05/18/2012 12:07:13 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th; wtc911

Look I’ll be generous to a fault. The only possible hole there could be to Mr. Zimmerman’s explanation is how did Mr. Zimmerman miss noticing Mr. Martin’s approach from a different angle. The answer seems easy enough however given the circumstances of a thunderstorm, and that Mr. Martin was wearing sneakers and nothing noisy.

At the very WORST there is a stalemate between the theories, and Mr. Zimmerman ought to go free — and prosecution should have stood up to political pressure and said there is no ethical way they could press the case.


220 posted on 05/18/2012 12:07:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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