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Posted on 05/18/2012 12:40:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVetEdited on 05/21/2012 8:46:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
A medical report by George Zimmermanís doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman ó if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.
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This was in the Washington Post? Washington DC? I’m shocked.
She prosecuted a black woman for taking a shot at her abusive husband, it missed and the defendant claimed that it was a warning shot, but prosecution insisted it was a miss an she intended to hit the SOB.
They offered three years, but defendant declined. Guilty verdict got her twenty years. Now a reasonable human would be satisfied that justice was served by arranging for three years, but vindictive as the laws is, she will serve the twenty.
Need I mention that I hate lawyers?
Pilate had the same problem. We all know how that turned out.
The media consistently feeds people, who are mostly busy working and just trying to live, misinformation because the truth doesn’t fit their narrow views. It is twisted, evil and sickening.
This is interesting.
I heard that if it is dismissed before trial because of the SYGL, then prosecution AND civil suit is barred.
This may be a way to absolve Zimmerman of ALL liability.
Self Defense While White or Part White = The Ultimate Hate Crime
Zimmerman, the evil racist semi white/part Hispanic with African blood in his evil face, nose and eyes obviously attacked the innocent hoodie, who could have been a son of Obozo.
With Zimmermans doctors report re damage to Zimmermans face, and the cororners report on Martins body it is obvious:
The evil part white/hispanic/African in a blatant act of self defense, attacked the now dead black victims fists with his broken nose and damaged/black eyes.
The poor innocent hoodie, who could have been a bastard son of Obozo died from the terrible wounds inflicted on his hands/fingers from the vicious act of self defense by the evil face of Zimmerman, the semi white/part hispanic/African America .
ABC News: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Black Eyes, Broken Nose, Cuts, Swollen Face
ABC News via Twitter ^ | Tuesday, May 15, 2012 | Matt Gutman
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:06:52 PM by kristinn
@ABC exclusive: medical report from morning after Zimmerman shot #Trayvonmartin.
Showed that Zimmerman had a broken nose, swollen face, black eyes and 2 cuts on the back of his evil head!
5:18 PM - 15 May 12via Twitter for BlackBerry®·
Later, Rush does a great job of exposing why the lefty racist mediots have dropped out of their lies about Zimmerman.
RUSH: Developments in the Trayvon Martin case, and youd be hard-pressed to find these developments out there. There have been two dramatic developments in the Trayvon Martin shooting case.
According to the ABC News, George Zimmermans family doctor saws him the morning after the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Heres what George Zimmermans doctor found: A broken nose, two black eyes, bruises on his face and lip, two cuts on the back of his head, and a back injury.
Excerpted. For the full story from Rush, go to the link:
” Could the mob have been wrong on Trayvon Martin? “
Yeah, that’s it—blame the mob for believing the crap you people write.
Well, I have not been the least surprised at anything Obama has said or done.
But we're not normal...
From reading the “black community’s” comments on Trayvon articles, they are totally missing the evidence and testimony that confirms George’s story.
They have no idea what the “stand your ground” law means because they are accustomed to getting away with beating anyone they want to beat for so much as a look they don’t like. To think they might get legally shot by a target...well, that is outrageous racism.
Then we have a lot of black thugs claiming they can shoot anyone they want to shoot if Zimmerman gets away with using deadly force to stop Martin’s aggression. All they have to do is say it was self defense and no-snitch friends will be witnesses.
Fortunately, most hood rat thugs can’t read the law and understand it well enough to cover their crime. But then it will be called a “racist” application of the law. Whitey gets off for self defense but blacks don’t.
Freedom only works for the law abiding. The more thugs we have, the less freedom we have.
Who gave Jennifer Rubin the smelling salts? The leftists at the Post have all been oblivious to the real issues in play. Why the change of heart? Could it be the evidence is destroying their ability to wage a propaganda campaign?
In short, Z is guilty as hell, but the local pigs blew it.
Thanks for all you do. You need to look into your school’s AP US Government and Politics classes. They teach democracy over republicanism, they hate the Electoral College and find voter ID racist. You’ve got your work cut out for you.
I thing she did exactly the WRONG thing. She should have done her job based on the facts as she had them. She should not given in to race based pressure. And if the Black Pamper wannabees riot, then it’s up to the police and citizenry to respond properly.
As it stands, she catered to racism at the expense of the civil rights of Zimmerman. There is zero justification.
One good riot put down hard by the people will end this nonsense. At the least, the punks will think hard about ever doing it again. Yes, buildings will burn and people will die. And the blame for any of it rests on those who cause it. Freedom is never without cost.
No, I don’t “want” a race war. But the BP types, Jessie and Al do. It is wholly in their power to determine which way it goes.
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The Republic you save may be your own.
You’re right. We have a mass of people who only know the headline and don’t have the time or interest in learning more or reading the hidden paragraph/part that reverses the headline.
” and now he has to pay for it, along with the rest of us.”
Not in my state.
We have 20 of Holder’s dumb-ass “peeples” locked up and facing up to 20 years in prison under the state’s anti-lynching law.
Two questions: Why would the police fabricate evidence in favor of Mr. Zimmerman when he fought them on behalf of a homeless black man not that long ago and (b) how did Mr. Zimmerman break his own nose, give himself two black eyes and pound his own skull on the ground?
Trayvon acting as referee in an interracial street brawl:
The only other option would have been Negligent Homicide.
Second Degree Murder is ridiculous. Considering her blatant purposeful omission of facts in the Affidavit, she should be Disbarred.
The Only Way Zimmerman can escape the Black Racist Mobs is to hide on the same Golf Course that O.J.’s ex Wifes killer is hiding in......
Their on-scene person Phil Keating today reported the exact opposite of the truth: he said that Z's father had "changed his story" about the screaming on the tape being from his son. That is COMPLETELY wrong. Z's father has always maintained that the voice was his son. In fact it was TRAYVON'S father who had changed his story. Fox keeps lying about this case.
No, the Sanhedrin was worried about riots, as it might bring the Romans down on the whole nation. Pontius Pilate could give a s#*+, to put it bluntly. He crucified so many rebels one time that he ran out of wood and started nailing people to walls.
You're right, skeeter - the MSM is 'the single worst threat to liberty in this country'.
That said, look at the above quote and remember good people, like the woman who wrote this piece (Jennifer Rubin) will probably be fired or laid off soon. It took courage for her to put her job on the line to tell the truth. So, as horrible as it is - and it is horrible - we have to give thanks for brave souls out there willing to write the truth - thank you Jennifer Rubin.
You bet, and I don't suspect you've thought about this seriously. So I'm offering this, not because I think I'll convince anybody, but to make those who read it think a little deeper.
Anything less than a murder charge would have both initiated a riot and carried the risk that a jury might render a conviction against Zimmerman on a lesser charge. I don't think there is any disagreement here that what Zimmerman in self-defense was not a crime. There is probably also agreement that there is no way this charge will stick, but it will assure that the evidence will be aired publicly over time. Zimmerman will be acquitted.
The rigorous thing to do, legally, would have been to announce no charges against Zimmerman at all. However, had he been permanently exonerated without charge as having acted in self-defense, the only story the public would know would have been from the MSM, Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. Needless to say, the riot would have been immediate. Even Zimmerman would be at far greater peril then.
Not a few FReepers have the attidude, "Let 'em riot." Well, there's a problem with that, a problem probably already communicated to the DA by nearly every small businessman in the area: Innocent people would die, others would sustain lifelong injuries, property destroyed, businesses wrecked, jails and courts clogged... all to be rigorous. I have little doubt that, had the DA simply released Zimmerman without charge, the entire city government would have been tossed, not just because of the damage but because of the harm to innocents, and in that sense rightly so. It is one thing to commit the crime one self, it is still not exculpatory for a person in power to effectively abet crimes being committed when they had clear alternatives. To me, the cry for legal rigor I'm seeing here is exactly what Jesus meant by "righteousness like filthy rags," in that anyone who cannot broach any deviation from the most legally rigorous course apparently doesn't care about the obvious, avoidable, and definitely unjust outcome for those innocents harmed by a violent reaction to false information. Where are the "weightier elements of the law, justice, mercy, and faith," in the lack of concern for the likely damage to innocents? To ignore them is a position very similar to what the MSM has done with inflaming the case for ratings and to serve their Marxist agenda without a care as to the consequences to Zimmerman or anybody else. There is simply no practical benefit to a quick refusal to prosecute, no matter now legally rigorous that course may be.
Now one may argue that the benefit is to secure Mr. Zimmerman's rights as an individual. Yet in doing so, one must presume that just because Zimmerman is innocent of murder and acted in self-defense, he should bear no consequence. This is to conflate innocence of a charge to innocence in total. Zimmerman quite apparently took considerable pride in his neighborhood watch role. He clearly exceeded his authority in confronting Trayvon Martin unless he saw a crime in progress, which he has not reported that he did. Hence, there is some justice in putting him through some travail, albeit one won't find what he did in confronting Martin listed in the criminal code! He and those he meant to serve would have been far better off standing aside merely to observe.
Further, those who would commit to civil insurrection on the basis of the false information from Sharpton et al. that the government has violated Trayvon Martin's rights to life and liberty when he had committed no crime (until he assaulted Mr. Zimmerman), how far are they from those who would take to violence because of some other continuing usurpations and violations, similar to Waco or Ruby Ridge? It would seem that the principal distinction is the veracity of its basis, which is not as great a distinction as might seem, or does the term "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" mean anything? The people who ARE guilty of a crime are the media and the race hucksters, and that is inciting to riot. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the town has the financial wherewithal to take on the MSM, nor is it right to expect them to do so. Zimmerman has a clearer case.
If this blows into a full race war, I'm not so sure you are as ready as you think. Do you have three years' food and ammo stored in multiple remote locations? With backup in case that is stolen or destroyed? Do you have provisions for protection, evacuation, and harboring of the innocent? Are you members of a group with a command structure and communications that cannot be infiltrated? Do you have intelligence on your enemy, their supplies, their command structure, their plans and locations?
If you answered 'that's why we have the National Guard' they'll be rather busy given the logistical consequences of a race war. The ports of Los Angeles, San Pedro, Long Beach, Oakland, and Richmond are ALL isolated from their outlets by large black enclaves. Can you imagine the consequences to the rest of the nation's economy should trade from Asia be halted if AQ or Los Zetas take advantage of the said "race war"? They've been putting their logistical supplies in place for decades. Isn't this kind of chaos exactly what Bamster and the left want, a Cloward-Piven meltdown writ large?
You know very well that the less information there is the more the race hucksters can get away with inflaming the situation. Dragging this out and letting the information leak has slowly allowed those who might otherwise riot to lose interest. They are slowly finding that their "innocent young boy" was neither, the "vigilante gun nut" was neither, and the "racist" isn't. Hell, tutored black kids and he's part black himself! The more they learn, the more this won't fly.
Nope, call it "murder" to calm the crowd, leak the evidence while waiting for the trial, and take your lumps when you lose, knowing that the more the information gets out there, the less of a chance of violence there will be.
In many respects, that is exactly what happened in the Duke Lacrosse case, and I'd bet the lawsuits against those charging those young men were far cheaper than a full blown riot might have been. Nor do I think that outcome was lost on Ms. Corey or her superiors.
I'll be out of town for the rest of the week end. So flame away and maybe I'll reply. Or maybe not.
Angela Corey gave a woman twenty years in prison for a warning shot that hurt no one. Hell, even if she WAS trying to kill him, and missed, the sentence is ridiculous. As it is, it's horrifying.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong in Florida. Bone-deep wrong.
Not to sound too racist, but that IS a very significant part of the "black community." - and too much of American community as well.
A very thoughtful and well written post, but one point:
This was all said ad nausem after Simpson brutally slashed two defenseless whites to death in a horrifying display of jealous rage, yet here we are again - and I have absolutely no confidence, based on observation, that it will change at all for the better. Ever.
In fact, black on white violence is certainly very common, often with deadly intent.
IOW, Critical Race Theory does come into play.
ping - here it is...
No flames here, I appreciate your well reasoned opinions even if I don’t agree with them all. It is definitely great food for thought. Godspeed and have a great weekend!
I did a google on her - you’re right - she’s safe.
All the “nice” white liberals have to show for their efforts is that they literally have the first president in a century who sides with the lynch mob (W. Wilson in reference). President “Lynch Mob” Hussein D Kenya
A mob is never wrong!
Signed, A. Hitler
I think you are correct in the Prosecutor’s decision. She was perfect to step in because she does not have a balanced sense of justice nor a commitment to justice. She a “send a message” type kook with a history of sacrificing the citizen in front of her for her own greater cause (whatever that is from day to day). So, she would be the one to feed the mob some morsels through the unjust prosecution of Zimmerman.
By charging him with second degree murder, either she is doing her mad dog number to send an unjust, overkill message on self defense to gun users or she is knowingly overcharging to throw out the case or to try and get a manslaughter plea bargin out of Zimmerman. I wonder if she is aware of what happened to Nifong when he played this part with the justice system to stave off the race mob that threatened like this Sanford race mob in Durham.
In a just world, the Feds would handle the black racist mob leaders like they did the Klan. They would round up the inciters and prosecute them. They would arrest the NOI players and donars for putting a price on Zimmerman’s head and they would pursue every black racist who treatened zimmerman and his family and who murdered and beat whites around the country. They would show no patience with the racist mob and call them a dirty racist mob trying to overturn the justice system out of race hate for a man they claim is white but who isn’t even white. We would make diversity race hate taboo in schools and institutions.
That is the way to handle organized race hate and violence in America. We did it already. But, we handle the klan with the tan today like we handled the white klan in the fifties. We don’t want to set them off and like in the history of the KKK, the Dems benefit from their racial intimidation of society so they have large political power and protection.
So, we got through this threat in sanford (maybe)but what happens when we fail to confront the organized power of racism in modern America (the radical left within the Dem party) in the post segregation era? I am sure you are aware that the radicals are importing Muslims and recruiting Hispanics for racism, too, and that whites will be a minority in this country in the near future. What are we doing here by continuing to stick a binky in Al Sharpton’s racist mouth and permitting Dems to build up more power on more race scapegoating, envy, violence and hate? Soon, America is not going to have a big enough binky to soothe the radical’s savage beast.
The other thing that haunts me from reading diversity hate doctrines, is the common element of hate that runs through the Arab, Hispanic and Black groups is an envy and hatred of Jews. They have mainstreamed the NOI hate doctrines into African studies. Hispanics have their own sick brand of Jew hate steming from Jesus. We know about the Muslims.
You know, whites as a majority, who basically hold power in this country, have gotten real good and manipulating the diversty haters with a welfare scrap here and a illegal racial preference or Zimmerman scrap there and we have kept the peace in that way. We buy off Al and Jesse. We have been able to protect Jews by using our power to sideline the haters. Blacks murdered more white people between the 70’s-90’s than soldiers killed in the Viet Nam war. I don’t know how many have been murdered since.
So we have paid quite a price in blood to appease the angry mob and not do another civil war. Our time for pacification is running out and their visciousness and threats just keep getting more and more dangerous, rageful and hateful. Race envy and rage is actually destroying the black race and radicals are spreading it to other groups so they vote the right way. Look to Africa, Mexico and the Middle East to see our future of “unrest.”
The people who have bought into this mentality are corrupt. They are cheating in elections and stealing and discriminating when they have power. The rule of law means nothing to them and Holder explained to Congress that whites don’t have any civil rights - only his people do. It will destroy the whole country if we don’t bite the bullet and stop it soon. It’s going to go after Jews, in particular. We are going to lose control of it soon.
I think "either" is neither. By charging him with second degree murder, she knows he'll be found innocent. All the evidence will be aired with cameras going. Both the case and the threat of mass violence will evaporate. I think that's exactly what she wants.
I wonder if she is aware of what happened to Nifong when he played this part with the justice system to stave off the race mob that threatened like this Sanford race mob in Durham.
I have no doubt of it.
In a just world,
In a just world, Al Sharpton would have wound up in jail over the Twana Brawley case alone and we'd have never heard from that mouth again.
In a just world, there would have been a conservative alternative to the MSM and MSMBCCBSABCPBS would be out of business.
In a just world, people would teach their children, we wouldn't have government financed single parentage, and black people would have a far better chance at the American Dream.
We would make diversity race hate taboo in schools and institutions.
IMO we would simply get rid of the public institutions. Between the Internet and Skype, we don't need them. Consider this means, and this one. Institutionalized public education is a dinosaur that needs to die.
So, we got through this threat in sanford (maybe)but what happens when we fail to confront the organized power of racism in modern America (the radical left within the Dem party) in the post segregation era? I am sure you are aware that the radicals are importing Muslims and recruiting Hispanics for racism, too, and that whites will be a minority in this country in the near future.
LOL, if you only knew... The reason that discussion in the post above came so easily to me is that I have written a book on this very topic. But then, the Lord wrote the original; I'm just explaining a key idea that slipped through the historical cracks. It deals with the entirety of the rest of your post, and then some. Drop me a line if you want an ftp link.
I neglected to mention that the above post was not directed to you, but because you were quoted therein. My apologies.
I have not seen any credible evidence that Zimmermann confronted Martin. Admittedly, I don't know all the evidence - so I am forced to speak in hypotheticals. However, the evidence that I have heard is that Zimmermann started to follow Martin. At some point in this pursuit, he called 911. The 911 operator said he should halt pursuit. He did, and was returning to his van when he was attacked from behind by an indignent (and high) Martin.
Ok, leaving that aside - it is not and should not be the role of the justice system to punish behavior that is not criminal. That sets up the prosecution as judge, jury and executioner. Unless the prosecutor had a credible case against Martin he should not have been charged.
Appealing to the thought of the consequences of a riot (which you take as a given; I do not), you argue the lesser evil is to charge Zimmermann. Essentially, you have already surrendered to mob rule. The government, in your scenario, is acting out of fear of the response of the mob rather than in accordance with the law. By these little surrendars, bit by bit, the country will be abandoned to mob rule and the Constitution might as well be shredded. In which case, resign yourself to a socialist government. The mob will always pin the blame on their grievances on the wealthy and the successful. Rather than emulate the behavior of the successful, they will try to tear them down to their own level.
It is time for some patriots to stand up for the law - if a riot is so certain, call out the national guard in advance of an announcement and tell the world they have orders to shoot to kill any rioters, since as you admit, rioters cause a loss of innocent life. We need leaders strong enough to stand up and say "I will not be cowed by threats, by charges of racism, by political considerations. I will enforce the law."