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Could the mob have been wrong on Trayvon Martin?
The Washington Post ^ | May 18, 2012 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 05/18/2012 12:40:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 05/21/2012 8:46:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A medical report by George Zimmermanís doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman ó if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: angelacorey; blackkk; dershowitz; florida; georgezimmerman; lmm; railroaded; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Carry_Okie

Well said.


81 posted on 05/19/2012 12:41:25 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: itsahoot
They offered three years, but defendant declined. Guilty verdict got her twenty years.

Angela Corey gave a woman twenty years in prison for a warning shot that hurt no one. Hell, even if she WAS trying to kill him, and missed, the sentence is ridiculous. As it is, it's horrifying.

Something is seriously, seriously wrong in Florida. Bone-deep wrong.

82 posted on 05/19/2012 12:45:23 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The black community will calm down as they find out that their angel was a doped out kid drifting into being a borderline thug.

Not to sound too racist, but that IS a very significant part of the "black community." - and too much of American community as well.

83 posted on 05/19/2012 4:58:58 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: redpoll
The peace made after the civil rights battles had two elements. First, whites were always to act ashamed. Second, blacks were absolved of responsibility for their situation. This incident is dissolving that agreement...

A very thoughtful and well written post, but one point:

This was all said ad nausem after Simpson brutally slashed two defenseless whites to death in a horrifying display of jealous rage, yet here we are again - and I have absolutely no confidence, based on observation, that it will change at all for the better. Ever.
In fact, black on white violence is certainly very common, often with deadly intent.

IOW, Critical Race Theory does come into play.

84 posted on 05/19/2012 5:09:24 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Dr. Baden tried to claim there was no evidence of recent marijuana use by Trayvon and criticized the police for not testing Zimmerman for drugs.

That actually helps the defense. Withdrawal symptoms from habitual marijuana use can include anxiety, depression, and anger.
85 posted on 05/19/2012 5:12:01 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Going back to Fuhrman’s really unprofessional discussion, I didn't mention the worst part. He said the video of Martin at the convenience store buying the Skittles and tea somehow showed he was an Innocent youth since he wasn't trying to rob the store, DUH!! Even Whorealdo got it better talking with BOR when he said it showed what a tall, powerful young man Martin was, not the innocent child depicted in many of the propaganda photographs. Megyn, of course, never bothered to call Fuhrman on this extraordinary howler.
87 posted on 05/19/2012 6:08:59 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: NYer

ping - here it is...


88 posted on 05/19/2012 6:14:18 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Carry_Okie

No flames here, I appreciate your well reasoned opinions even if I don’t agree with them all. It is definitely great food for thought. Godspeed and have a great weekend!


89 posted on 05/19/2012 6:21:39 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I did a google on her - you’re right - she’s safe.


90 posted on 05/19/2012 7:15:48 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All the “nice” white liberals have to show for their efforts is that they literally have the first president in a century who sides with the lynch mob (W. Wilson in reference). President “Lynch Mob” Hussein D Kenya


91 posted on 05/19/2012 7:36:24 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: MNJohnnie

A mob is never wrong!

Signed, A. Hitler


92 posted on 05/19/2012 10:32:53 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Carry_Okie

I think you are correct in the Prosecutor’s decision. She was perfect to step in because she does not have a balanced sense of justice nor a commitment to justice. She a “send a message” type kook with a history of sacrificing the citizen in front of her for her own greater cause (whatever that is from day to day). So, she would be the one to feed the mob some morsels through the unjust prosecution of Zimmerman.

By charging him with second degree murder, either she is doing her mad dog number to send an unjust, overkill message on self defense to gun users or she is knowingly overcharging to throw out the case or to try and get a manslaughter plea bargin out of Zimmerman. I wonder if she is aware of what happened to Nifong when he played this part with the justice system to stave off the race mob that threatened like this Sanford race mob in Durham.

In a just world, the Feds would handle the black racist mob leaders like they did the Klan. They would round up the inciters and prosecute them. They would arrest the NOI players and donars for putting a price on Zimmerman’s head and they would pursue every black racist who treatened zimmerman and his family and who murdered and beat whites around the country. They would show no patience with the racist mob and call them a dirty racist mob trying to overturn the justice system out of race hate for a man they claim is white but who isn’t even white. We would make diversity race hate taboo in schools and institutions.

That is the way to handle organized race hate and violence in America. We did it already. But, we handle the klan with the tan today like we handled the white klan in the fifties. We don’t want to set them off and like in the history of the KKK, the Dems benefit from their racial intimidation of society so they have large political power and protection.

So, we got through this threat in sanford (maybe)but what happens when we fail to confront the organized power of racism in modern America (the radical left within the Dem party) in the post segregation era? I am sure you are aware that the radicals are importing Muslims and recruiting Hispanics for racism, too, and that whites will be a minority in this country in the near future. What are we doing here by continuing to stick a binky in Al Sharpton’s racist mouth and permitting Dems to build up more power on more race scapegoating, envy, violence and hate? Soon, America is not going to have a big enough binky to soothe the radical’s savage beast.

The other thing that haunts me from reading diversity hate doctrines, is the common element of hate that runs through the Arab, Hispanic and Black groups is an envy and hatred of Jews. They have mainstreamed the NOI hate doctrines into African studies. Hispanics have their own sick brand of Jew hate steming from Jesus. We know about the Muslims.

You know, whites as a majority, who basically hold power in this country, have gotten real good and manipulating the diversty haters with a welfare scrap here and a illegal racial preference or Zimmerman scrap there and we have kept the peace in that way. We buy off Al and Jesse. We have been able to protect Jews by using our power to sideline the haters. Blacks murdered more white people between the 70’s-90’s than soldiers killed in the Viet Nam war. I don’t know how many have been murdered since.

So we have paid quite a price in blood to appease the angry mob and not do another civil war. Our time for pacification is running out and their visciousness and threats just keep getting more and more dangerous, rageful and hateful. Race envy and rage is actually destroying the black race and radicals are spreading it to other groups so they vote the right way. Look to Africa, Mexico and the Middle East to see our future of “unrest.”

The people who have bought into this mentality are corrupt. They are cheating in elections and stealing and discriminating when they have power. The rule of law means nothing to them and Holder explained to Congress that whites don’t have any civil rights - only his people do. It will destroy the whole country if we don’t bite the bullet and stop it soon. It’s going to go after Jews, in particular. We are going to lose control of it soon.


93 posted on 05/19/2012 1:15:08 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
By charging him with second degree murder, either she is doing her mad dog number to send an unjust, overkill message on self defense to gun users or she is knowingly overcharging to throw out the case or to try and get a manslaughter plea bargin out of Zimmerman.

I think "either" is neither. By charging him with second degree murder, she knows he'll be found innocent. All the evidence will be aired with cameras going. Both the case and the threat of mass violence will evaporate. I think that's exactly what she wants.

I wonder if she is aware of what happened to Nifong when he played this part with the justice system to stave off the race mob that threatened like this Sanford race mob in Durham.

I have no doubt of it.

In a just world,

In a just world, Al Sharpton would have wound up in jail over the Twana Brawley case alone and we'd have never heard from that mouth again.

In a just world, there would have been a conservative alternative to the MSM and MSMBCCBSABCPBS would be out of business.

In a just world, people would teach their children, we wouldn't have government financed single parentage, and black people would have a far better chance at the American Dream.

Etc.

We would make diversity race hate taboo in schools and institutions.

IMO we would simply get rid of the public institutions. Between the Internet and Skype, we don't need them. Consider this means, and this one. Institutionalized public education is a dinosaur that needs to die.

So, we got through this threat in sanford (maybe)but what happens when we fail to confront the organized power of racism in modern America (the radical left within the Dem party) in the post segregation era? I am sure you are aware that the radicals are importing Muslims and recruiting Hispanics for racism, too, and that whites will be a minority in this country in the near future.

LOL, if you only knew... The reason that discussion in the post above came so easily to me is that I have written a book on this very topic. But then, the Lord wrote the original; I'm just explaining a key idea that slipped through the historical cracks. It deals with the entirety of the rest of your post, and then some. Drop me a line if you want an ftp link.

95 posted on 05/20/2012 7:44:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Talisker; bill1952; SaraJohnson; GladesGuru

I neglected to mention that the above post was not directed to you, but because you were quoted therein. My apologies.


99 posted on 05/21/2012 7:40:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Now one may argue that the benefit is to secure Mr. Zimmerman's rights as an individual. Yet in doing so, one must presume that just because Zimmerman is innocent of murder and acted in self-defense, he should bear no consequence. This is to conflate innocence of a charge to innocence in total. Zimmerman quite apparently took considerable pride in his neighborhood watch role. He clearly exceeded his authority in confronting Trayvon Martin unless he saw a crime in progress, which he has not reported that he did. Hence, there is some justice in putting him through some travail, albeit one won't find what he did in confronting Martin listed in the criminal code! He and those he meant to serve would have been far better off standing aside merely to observe.

I have not seen any credible evidence that Zimmermann confronted Martin. Admittedly, I don't know all the evidence - so I am forced to speak in hypotheticals. However, the evidence that I have heard is that Zimmermann started to follow Martin. At some point in this pursuit, he called 911. The 911 operator said he should halt pursuit. He did, and was returning to his van when he was attacked from behind by an indignent (and high) Martin.

Ok, leaving that aside - it is not and should not be the role of the justice system to punish behavior that is not criminal. That sets up the prosecution as judge, jury and executioner. Unless the prosecutor had a credible case against Martin he should not have been charged.

Appealing to the thought of the consequences of a riot (which you take as a given; I do not), you argue the lesser evil is to charge Zimmermann. Essentially, you have already surrendered to mob rule. The government, in your scenario, is acting out of fear of the response of the mob rather than in accordance with the law. By these little surrendars, bit by bit, the country will be abandoned to mob rule and the Constitution might as well be shredded. In which case, resign yourself to a socialist government. The mob will always pin the blame on their grievances on the wealthy and the successful. Rather than emulate the behavior of the successful, they will try to tear them down to their own level.

It is time for some patriots to stand up for the law - if a riot is so certain, call out the national guard in advance of an announcement and tell the world they have orders to shoot to kill any rioters, since as you admit, rioters cause a loss of innocent life. We need leaders strong enough to stand up and say "I will not be cowed by threats, by charges of racism, by political considerations. I will enforce the law."

100 posted on 05/21/2012 9:19:37 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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