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Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
My Fox Phoenix.Com ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joshua Wisch

Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry

OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT

Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth

PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.

Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.

Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.

Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama's birth.

Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama's status on Arizona's ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.

Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2scary4words; 2suspicious4words; birthcertificate; coverup; eligibility; hawaii; illegalalien; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: EBH

Was hoping that Texas, with its many electoral votes, would make it a requirement for Obama or any other candidate to have to produce a legitimate BC to be on the ballot.


151 posted on 05/19/2012 6:20:19 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: EBH

Was hoping that Texas, with its many electoral votes, would make it a requirement for Obama or any other candidate to have to produce a legitimate BC to be on the ballot.


152 posted on 05/19/2012 6:26:27 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: butterdezillion

Got your ping late-

“It is the normal course of operations for the SOS’s office to receive an application for placement on the ballot”

WE all know that - Hawaii could give a crap. You and I both know that in the end, in a few days maybe, HI DOH will make nice and send Bennett a little vaguely worded email pointing to the old press releases where they supported obama’s claims to have a valid HI BC.

Bennett will graciously accept this email, and tell all the crazy birthers to go away. He has made it clear that he doesn’t want this in his lap, and that he is just “humoring” some TEA party people.

I hope HI tells him to stick it good. I hope he gets a loadful of what the “little people” have experienced in trying to simply have a straight and honest answer.


153 posted on 05/19/2012 7:17:00 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: butterdezillion; Quix; Alamo-Girl
I’ve mentioned elsewhere that we need to be praying for the people who are trying to protect this country. We have powerful enemies in both the physical and spiritual realms who use any means possible to get us out of our stride. We are so frail in spite of all our blustery talk, and we need the Lord to strengthen us and make us wise. He alone can save America.

Remember that God also works through the hearts and minds of men.

Let us continue to pray: and in prayer to press forward.

154 posted on 05/19/2012 7:26:44 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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someone going to finally succeed in making Obambi the PLAINTIFF instead of the DEFENDANT in a court case. Puts the burden of proof on Bambi.

whole DEM ticket in AZ goes down without a PREZ candidate.


155 posted on 05/19/2012 7:42:12 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: butterdezillion

“Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery. So it has actually crossed the line into using physical means from their office to support the forgeries.”

Where do we have evidence of this - when did it begin? This is the first I’ve heard. There must be multiple examples, yes?


156 posted on 05/19/2012 7:45:15 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Mr Rogers

Yeah. My eyes are wanting to bleed all of a sudden. lol.
Truly the people who write this stuff have a dizzying intellect (ala Wesley, referring to Vizzini in “Princess Bride”). lol. So my apologies if I sound dizzy or if I have inadvertently overlooked something. What I get after digging through this stuff is this:

The requirements to be placed on the presidential primary are very lenient and don’t allow the option of being disqualified. The rules can be seen at http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00242.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS

That’s why Bennett couldn’t really do anything about the primary ballot.

The general election is different. Chapter 3 of Article 16 describes how the general election procedures work. Letter D at http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00311.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS says:

“D. All persons desiring to become a candidate shall file with the nomination paper provided for in subsection A an affidavit which shall be printed in a form prescribed by the secretary of state. The affidavit shall include facts sufficient to show that, other than the residency requirement provided in subsection A, the candidate will be qualified at the time of election to hold the office the person seeks.”

Candidates for the general election can be challenged, as shown at http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00351.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS

“A. Any elector filing any court action challenging the nomination of a candidate as provided for in this chapter shall do so no later than 5:00 p.m. of the tenth day, excluding Saturday, Sunday and other legal holidays, after the last day for filing nomination papers and petitions. The elector shall specify in the action the petition number, line number and basis for the challenge for each signature being challenged. Failure to specify this information shall result in the dismissal of the court action. Within ten days after the filing of the action, the superior court shall hear and render a decision on the matter. Such decision shall be appealable only to the supreme court, and notice of appeal shall be filed within five days after the decision of the superior court in the action. The supreme court shall hear and render a decision on the appeal promptly.

B. Any elector may challenge a candidate for any reason relating to qualifications for the office sought as prescribed by law, including age, residency or professional requirements, if applicable.”

So once the deadline for the candidate filing the affidavit (giving the facts showing they are qualified for the position) has come, any elector has 10 business days to file a challenge. Once that is filed the superior court has 10 days to render a decision. After the superior court’s decision the elector has 5 days to file an appeal to the AZ Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court has to hear and decide the case “promptly”. So once the candidate has filed the affidavit stating the facts sufficient to show they are qualified for the position they seek, there is a maximum of 20 business days for the Superior Court to decide the issue.

Now consider the fact that it’s been 8 weeks since Ken Bennett first sent the money asking the HDOH for a simple verification of Obama’s birth facts, and he’s nowhere close to getting ANY kind of response to that.

Consider that even if they verify the facts, that verification contradicts prior disclosures by their office (which indicated a late and/or amended BC, which is not legally probative and the State of HI therefore CANNOT verify any facts claimed on that BC). At that point an audit would have to be conducted to find out which of their mutually-exclusive disclosures was accurate. That would involve looking at microfilms, computer transaction logs, and possibly the original paper record.

All that has to be done in a maximum of 20 business days. The HDOH has already stalled TWICE that amount of time just hemming and hawing over whether they can or can’t verify the facts of Obama’s birth for Bennett, who is clearly qualified to receive verification, based on HRS 338-18. There is no way that this challenge process could even put a dent in the processing needed to hash out Obama’s eligibility issues.

Bennett is absolutely doing the right thing. The HDOH’s own obfuscation is proving that before our very eyes. If Obama’s eligibility is truly going to be sorted out the process has to begin now, and the secretary of state is the only person who can force Obama and/or the HDOH to provide what is needed, on pain of not being allowed on the ballot at all if they refuse. There is nothing in the laws that disallows him from doing this, and just seeing what the HDOH has done for the past 8 weeks illustrates VERY clearly why he HAS to demand this just to maintain a clear conscience and the integrity of the system as well as his own oath to protect and defend the US Constitution.

Bennett is doing the right thing, and every Arizonan (as well as all the rest of us) need to let him know that we know that and that there are more who are with him than the very loud, annoying voices he’ll hear constantly that are against him. I’m sure his inbox is inundated, but if somebody wanted to start a petition of support or something, that might be helpful.

And, as I’ve said elsewhere, we need to keep holding him up in prayer, as well as Sheriff Joe, Mike Zullo, the AZ AG, Gov Brewer, and all the foot-soldiers who are doing the necessary work to see the rule of law prevail.

Mr. Rogers, you’ve fought for this country. I know you love this country. I hope and pray we can stand together to defend her with every power we have right now. =)


157 posted on 05/19/2012 7:50:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

There it is. Thank you.

One more instance of hypocrisy from Obama. “The laws are for thee, not me.”


158 posted on 05/19/2012 7:52:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ladysforest

I’m still hopeful for Bennett. Reminds me a little bit of Gandalf and Elrond discussing Frodo. Elrond says, “Still, for him to have come this far, he shows remarkable resilience to the ring’s power...”

Bennett has a lot of forces against him - especially now that the media will be chewing him up and spitting him out. But he’s at least insisted that he will not put Obama on the ballot unless he gets an OFFICIAL VERIFICATION, which means that whoever gives that verification will be legally liable for fraud if/when the posse busts this thing open - or when Eric Holder is no longer AG to keep federal investigators from prosecuting the crimes committed.

He knows the shenanigans the HDOH has played with their carefully-worded evasions, while at the same time altering official records such as their birth index, their database, and the BC#’s for at least Stig Waidelich and Virginia Sunahara. There are some pretty ticked-off people who aren’t ready to let him forget that we’re sick of this.

And I DO hope the HDOH pisses him off with their crap. If the little peons like you or me can be labeled “vexatious requestors” and written off with a sneer, let him feel in his own gut what we’ve had to deal with this whole time. Let him sample the taste of the banana republic, and maybe that will strengthen his resolve. “There won’t be any Shire, Pippin...”


159 posted on 05/19/2012 8:03:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: grey_whiskers

Amen to that.


160 posted on 05/19/2012 8:04:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ladysforest

I just have one example that was sent to me. IIRC it was printed about a week after Obama released his long-form.


161 posted on 05/19/2012 8:09:47 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: grey_whiskers

I join in earnest, urgent prayers for our country!


162 posted on 05/19/2012 8:16:38 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: butterdezillion

Uh, does the FEDERAL FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT apply to essential information about a FEDERAL OFFICIAL indeed force Hawaii to comply?


163 posted on 05/19/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: grey_whiskers

INDEED.

INDEED.

I like the joke . . .

4 men walk into a bar

—an illegal alien
—a muslim
—a black man
and
—a communist

walk into the bar . . .

The bartender says

What’ll you have Mr President?


164 posted on 05/19/2012 8:37:46 PM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Graewoulf

The FOIA only officially applies to federal records. HI has their own open records law, and they supposedly follow the same principles of interpretation as the feds do with FOIA. But in truth they don’t obey any laws there. None.

It was their actions that convinced me I needed to take on this issue publicly, because if we allowed their lawlessness to continue, our whole way of life in America would be at risk. If we become lawless there is nothing to keep us from any of the worst atrocities the world has known. And some of the threats and deaths are starting to be realized by the public now. Obama has given himself permission to do ANYTHING to anybody for any reason, with no accountability at all. All the technologies we’ve developed for military use are now available for our own supposed President to use against US for any reason, with nobody ever able to ask why or make it stop.

These are incredibly scary, critical times. At this point anything can happen. But it started with a lying HDOH that didn’t have to follow the most simple of disclosure rules... the acorn truly grows into a tree that can overshadow everything. If we let the lawless genie out of the bottle with no way to put it back, we’re sunk.


165 posted on 05/19/2012 8:38:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: biggredd1

I was looking at the Arizona election statutes, and saw a heading that it seemed was saying that communists are not allowed to be on the AZ ballot. I should look that up. Considering that Obama was a signed member of The New Party, which was the communists attempting to merge with the democratic party in Chicago...

Seems like if Breitbart really has that video of Obama planning revolution against the USA..... it would be a mighty good time to show it to Ken Bennett...


166 posted on 05/19/2012 8:49:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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ltr


167 posted on 05/19/2012 8:54:41 PM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: butterdezillion; All

” - - - The FOIA only officially applies to federal records.”

At what legal point does FEDERAL proof of eligibility to run for the highest FEDERAL elected office in the US FEDERAL Government fall within the FEDERAL Freedom of Information Act?

Is Hawaii in violation then of the FEDERAL FOIA?

Doesn’t FEDERAL Law over rule State law in FEDERAL matters?

BTW, PINGING ALL FREEPERS WHO ARE LAWYERS, what say all of you?

BTW, BTW, a 5-4 NINE SUPREMES decision against Obama would make our FReeper lawyers very famous - - - - . I’m just saying - - - .


168 posted on 05/19/2012 8:58:49 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Elderberry
Verification: What does it mean exactly? I'm confused. Could someone help me to understand what it means as it applies to this Obama mess?

1. That is, what exactly is Bennett asking Hawaii to do? What is Bennett asking Hawaii to "verify"?

2. How does Hawaii go about verifying what is on Obama's long form birth certificate? For instance, does it contact Kapiolani hospital, the hospital name on Obama's long form birth certificate to verify that what is on Obama's long form is correct?

3. Or, will Bennett accept a simple statement from Hawaii like the following:

"Yes, we have Obama's original long form birth certificate in our files, and he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961".

4. Or is Bennett asking for a more detailed explanation and more information than what is in my statement above? Thanks.

169 posted on 05/19/2012 10:27:08 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Mr Rogers
IIRC, Arizona law doesn’t require that Obama or the DNC show a birth certificate. There was a move that I supported to change the law, but it died just after SB1070 was passed. Apparently the legislature (or the Gov) felt Arizona was already taking enough heat and didn’t want to pursue the matter.

I don’t think the current law gives the SecState the authority to decide who is eligible.

That must be why John McCain is running all over saying that obama will be on the AZ ballot.

170 posted on 05/19/2012 11:55:13 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: john mirse
Verification: What does it mean exactly?

Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.
171 posted on 05/20/2012 3:44:52 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: john mirse

This is from Ken Bennett’s site :
http://www.azsos.gov/releases/

Ken Bennett’s Statement Regarding President Obama’s Birth Certificate

“First, I have been on the record since 2009 that I believe the President was born in Hawaii. I am not a “birther”. At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a for a verification in lieu of certified copy. We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.” - Ken Bennett


172 posted on 05/20/2012 6:19:23 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: 353FMG
That's fine, but still not sure why the reference to me and Texas, the flag on my profile is Ohio.
173 posted on 05/20/2012 6:39:16 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: Elderberry
We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.” - Ken Bennett

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This is mirse.

If Bennett is "merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response", then I don't think he is asking for much, which means that Hawaii will no problems giving Bennett what he wants, and which also means that Obama will have no problems getting his name on the Nov. 2012 Arizona ballot.

1. A vague Hawaii statement like "Dear Mr. Bennett: Yes, we have President Obama's birth certificate in our possession" really doesn't tell us whether or not Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961.

2. NOTE: It has been a year since Obama released a copy of his long form birth certificate to great fanfare at a White House press meeting in April 2011.

3. But yet Kapiolani hospital officials---Kapiolani hospital is listed on the long form birth certificate---have not said one word about Obama being born there.

4. For instance, why don't they conduct tours to let people view the room where Obama was born and put up a small plaque outside the room stating that Obama's mother stayed in that room in Aug. 1961?

5. I don't see how conducting such tours would be violating medical privacy laws, especially if Obama publicly said that he did not object to such tours.

6. So if Kapiolani continues to be conspicuously silent about whether or not Obama was born there, then I can only conclude the following: Kapiolani hospital will not conduct tours to let people look at the room where Obama's mother stayed in Aug. 1961 because she was never there in the first place.

174 posted on 05/20/2012 7:44:11 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: SpaceBar
Verification: What does it mean exactly?

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Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.

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This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above as it applies to the verification that Bennett is asking for.

Are you saying that all that Bennett is asking for is to see a copy of Obama's Hawaii driver's license?

Because I think that the only ID that the liquor store clerk in my area would ask to see---if he asked to see any ID at all---is my driver's license to verify that I am who I say I am.

NOTE to anyone here: Obama's driver license: Is there any public record of Obama's driver's license for Hawaii, or California, or New York City, or Chicago?

I am curious to know what legal document Obama used in those places to obtain a driver's license. For instance, did he use a birth certificate or a passport?

175 posted on 05/20/2012 8:04:03 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: SpaceBar
Verification: What does it mean exactly?

********

Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.

*******

This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above as it applies to the verification that Bennett is asking for.

Are you saying that all that Bennett is asking for is to see a copy of Obama's Hawaii driver's license?

Because I think that the only ID that the liquor store clerk in my area would ask to see---if he asked to see any ID at all---is my driver's license to verify that I am who I say I am.

NOTE to anyone here: Obama's driver license: Is there any public record of Obama's driver's license for Hawaii, or California, or New York City, or Chicago?

I am curious to know what legal document Obama used in those places to obtain a driver's license. For instance, did he use a birth certificate or a passport?

176 posted on 05/20/2012 8:06:20 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Graewoulf; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

to #168

read the whole thread. I know, I know,... :)


177 posted on 05/20/2012 9:27:21 AM PDT by bitt
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To: john mirse
1. A vague Hawaii statement like "Dear Mr. Bennett: Yes, we have President Obama's birth certificate in our possession" really doesn't tell us whether or not Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961.

The Hawaiian official who puts his/her name on that statement now becomes legally liable for any subsequent criminal investigations. Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation could then pursue that in their investigation of forgery or any other misrepresentaton.

178 posted on 05/20/2012 9:48:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: tumblindice; MHGinTN; hoosiermama; LucyT
And then the blue dress surfaced.

BO has a "blue dress" too, and it's just a matter of time before we all see it.

179 posted on 05/20/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont
Little barry bastard commie has at least two reasons why definitive proof of his illegitimacy will not surface while he is in power: Eric Holder and the Just Us department thuggery; the 'hit squad' established by someone, perhaps Brennen, to silence any threats to little barry dunham's crafted identity. Breitbart was a warning ... and he probably didn't have as damning evidence as exists somewhere safe and ready.
180 posted on 05/20/2012 10:28:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: kabar
1. A vague Hawaii statement like "Dear Mr. Bennett: Yes, we have President Obama's birth certificate in our possession" really doesn't tell us whether or not Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961.

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The Hawaiian official who puts his/her name on that statement now becomes legally liable for any subsequent criminal investigations. Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation could then pursue that in their investigation of forgery or any other misrepresentaton.

*******

I hope that you are right.

181 posted on 05/20/2012 10:32:46 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above as it applies to the verification that Bennett is asking for.

Are you saying that all that Bennett is asking for is to see a copy of Obama's Hawaii driver's license?

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This is mirse. Sorry for the double post. I don't know what happened.

182 posted on 05/20/2012 10:35:05 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Elderberry

“The attorney general’s office in Hawaii is telling Arizona’s secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama’s birth records, he’ll have to prove he legitimately needs it.”

Simple response, don’t furnish requested records - Obama will not be on Arizona ballot in November.

It is time for every state to follow the lead Arizona is giving us...on immigration and on ‘natural born’.


183 posted on 05/20/2012 10:36:13 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Elderberry

Father Of Communist China ‘Sun Yat-Sen’ & Obama, Received Hawaii’s COLB.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/22/father-of-communist-china-sun-yat-sen-obama-received-hawaiis-colb/

I’ll never believe Hawaii in any statement that he was born there. Show the proof! Microfiche from the archives and documentation (not copies) of his mothers birth records at the hospital. The hospital listed on his Birth certificate did not exist back in 1961. It went by a different name.

The name of the Hospital Obama was supposedly born at should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital until 1978. It did not go by the name of Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital back in 1961, so why is it listed on his Certificate of Live Birth. That’s a change we can’t believe in. ;)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf


184 posted on 05/20/2012 11:35:49 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: butterdezillion

I’ve been out of the loop on this topic: Has someone SEEN another example of the HDOH stamping documents with the word “TXE” instead of “THE”? Do you have a link?


185 posted on 05/20/2012 11:47:24 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: bitt
RE: "to #168
read the whole thread. I know, I know,... :)"
Perhaps Butter's request shall be fruitful. Butthead from Atlanta sure set the stage for Rather to get the boot.
186 posted on 05/20/2012 1:00:57 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Elderberry

Obama should provide proof of identity, but he hasn’t. Bennett is trying to help Obama and is going the extra mile, asking Hawaii for records.

Hawaii is acting in bad faith and is denying Bennett’s request.

Bennett did all he could do. Without proof of ID there is simply no way he can allow Obama’s name on the ballot. Bennett went the extra mile on Obama’s behalf. What more is he supposed to do?

Hawaii’s denial forces Arizona to disallow Obama’s name on any ballot.

Obama has only himself to blame.

No proof, no ballot.


187 posted on 05/20/2012 1:50:58 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: wistful

would you mind placing a link to that article here on FR and pinging me to it.


188 posted on 05/20/2012 3:27:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Elderberry

Eff Hawaii, let them become China’s latest province.They’d fit right in. Liberal fascists administrations stick together to subvert the law of a free people in order to enslave us all.


189 posted on 05/20/2012 3:45:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: butterdezillion

How can a press conference held at the WH in D.C. violate an AZ law? Sheriff Joe has jurisdiction over Maricopa County in AZ not D.C.


190 posted on 05/20/2012 3:55:12 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion; melancholy; Las Vegas Ron

Interesting that there is even a question about why showing a forged birth certificate has nothing to do with voters in AZ who may not want to vote for a fraud.


191 posted on 05/20/2012 4:01:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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Or rather, why a display of a forged b.c. should bother AZ voters, would be a better way to re-state it.


192 posted on 05/20/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: BuckeyeTexan

If a fraudulent BC was created in Virginia and somebody attempted to use it in Maricopa County, would that fraud fall within Sheriff Joe’s jurisdiction - since it was fraudulently presented to residents in Maricopa County?


193 posted on 05/20/2012 5:04:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

That was my original point. If Obama didn’t formally submit the LFBC to AZ election officials, I don’t see where Sheriff Joe has jurisdiction to bring charges. He can certainly investigate but he has to specify which AZ laws were broken in order to bring charges. IANAL though.


194 posted on 05/20/2012 5:14:11 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion

IIRC, Obama signed an election form for AZ indicating that he qualified under the Constitution for the office of POTUS. Perhaps Sheriff Joe is seeking perjury charges for falsely swearing to the information contained in the document? I really don’t know, but presenting a fraudulent document in a WH press conference doesn’t violate any AZ laws of which I am aware.


195 posted on 05/20/2012 5:24:45 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Arizona doesn’t have any election fraud laws? Or perjury laws?

The fraudulent act took place in DC. But the people were defrauded in Maricopa County, AZ. TV stations in Maricopa County, AZ were used to present to AZ residents a fraudulent claim about a vital record. Obama stood at that press conference for the specific purpose of having his fraudulent claims aired in the whole country, including Maricopa County, AZ.


196 posted on 05/20/2012 5:36:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Arizona must have a law that forbids the presenting of fraudulent information under the color of an official position. Especially presenting under the authority of an official position a fraudulent VITAL RECORD. Isn’t that what document fraud is?

Does anybody know where to find Arizona’s laws on document fraud?


197 posted on 05/20/2012 5:40:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I don’t know, but I will look up AZ election laws to see what I can find. Did Sheriff Joe state the basis for his criminal investigation? I haven’t paid close attention to it.


198 posted on 05/20/2012 5:48:01 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion

Since Obama didn’t submit the LFBC to AZ election officials, I would guess that any fraud committed would be “made by public statements.” Perhaps we could start there to research which AZ law is relevant.


199 posted on 05/20/2012 5:52:27 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Squantos

Exactly, Squantos. Make Bozo sue to get on the ballot. Checkmate.


200 posted on 05/20/2012 7:12:29 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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