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Will U.S. Sovereignty Be LOST At Sea? Obama Signs U.N. Treaty That Redistributes Drilling Revenues
Forbes ^ | may 20, 2012 | Forbes OpEd

Posted on 05/20/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by Innovative

A proposed Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), which has been signed by President Obama but not yet ratified by Congress, will subordinate U.S. naval and drilling operations beyond 200 miles of our coast to a newly established U.N. bureaucracy. If approved, it will grant a Kingston, Jamaica-based International Seabed Authority (ISA) the power to regulate deep-sea oil exploration, seabed mining, and fishing rights.

As part of the deal, as much as 7% of U.S. government revenue that is collected from oil and gas companies operating off our coast will be forked over to ISA for redistribution to poorer, landlocked countries. This apparently is in penance for America's audacity in perpetuating prosperity yielded by our Industrial Revolution.

Like the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol debacle that preceded it, this most recent LOST cause embodies the progressive ideal of subordinating the sovereignty of nation states to authoritarian dictates of a world body. The U.S. would have one vote out of 160 regarding where the money would go, and be obligated to hand over offshore drilling technology to any nation that wants it... for free.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


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To: Innovative

Leon Panetta, the chief of the Gorbachev disarmament movement is behind it? Naw can’t be!


151 posted on 05/20/2012 7:23:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Innovative

“When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?”

Are you implying that Romney is a firefighter in that context?

At most, Romney is a clueless bystander who can call 911. More likely Romney is the guy that has his 2 of his Cadillacs blocking the fire hydrant.


152 posted on 05/20/2012 7:28:36 PM PDT by sagar
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To: WellyP

As I said, the class of Senators up for election in 2014 will be looking at what has happened to RINO’s this year and perhaps won’t feel so free to go along with lame duck Lugar in voting for LOST.


153 posted on 05/20/2012 7:31:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Innovative
Reality, anyone?

The reality is that the GOP is leaning increasing left. I am more concerned with winning the ideological war than with winning the 2012 presidential battle.

Peace in our time -my ass! You want to compromise principle and kick the can down the road and HOPE the GOP will fix itself -good luck with that.

154 posted on 05/20/2012 7:56:59 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
The reality is that the GOP is leaning increasing left.

The 2010 election? Reality, anyone? That wasn't expected AT ALL.
155 posted on 05/20/2012 8:16:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Innovative

Bush would have signed it and fought for it. The republicans raised hell and Demint was one of them.


156 posted on 05/20/2012 8:17:44 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Innovative; DBeers
Anyone like yourselves, who is trying to tell conservatives that there is no difference between Romney and Obama is either totally detached from reality and has not been following how Obama is destroying the US, or an Obama supporter trying to suppress the conservatives’ vote for Romney.

Anyone like yourself, who truly believes that there's some substantial difference between Obama and Romney, is simply deluding themselves, and NOT reviewing his uber liberal record. To wit:

Mitt Romney’s Dismal Record

"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.

* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.

* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.

* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.

"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.

In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."

[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]


Romney's "accomplishments".

1. Implemented/created Gay Marriage in MA

2. Supported and forced Gay Adoption in MA

3. Supported Abortion wholeheartedly

4. Raised taxes/fees over 300% while being Governor of MA

5. Implemented a state-level Cap and Trade system.

6. Supported Man-Made Global Warming

7. Supported the Brady Bill

8. Implemented a state level “Assault” Weapons Ban after the Federal AWB was allowed to expire.

9. Supported TARP

10. Supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens (Citizenship for those already here)

11. Supported McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty)

12. Implemented a socialized medicine in MA called RomneyCare complete with an Individual Mandate and $50 abortions.

13. Nominated 27 Democrats (out of 36 nominations) for judgeships in MA, many of them extreme left-wingers.

You don't have to tell me how bad Obama is. I'm acutely aware of that fact. The point that you and others of your mindset are missing, is that Romney is only slightly to Obama's right, and most of what constitutes that, is campaign rhetoric on his part. It's not borne out by the man's actual record, which reads more like any liberal Democrat's than a Republican's.

Prepare to have your soul crushed, if you're casting your lot with Romney in the belief that he'll actually roll back Obama's leftist agenda, or even turn the wheel. He'll do nothing of the kind, and in fact, will likely only tap the brakes slightly a couple of times to trick conservatives into thinking he's honestly doing what he was elected to do.

He's as much a globalist, elitist, Socialist, as Obama is, albeit from a different mold and manufacturing stamp. In truth, they work for the same masters, and are sworn to the same agenda.

The only real choice you have, is whether to support the puppet masters' destruction of America, or resist with everything you've got. There are no other real choices.

157 posted on 05/20/2012 8:29:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: aruanan
The 2010 election? Reality, anyone? That wasn't expected AT ALL.

Bravo -EXACTLY!

And who opposed the Tea Party -well both RINOs and Dems -in other words, the progressives.

...and like any revolution, both the RINOs and Libertarians have attempted to coerce it and ride its coat tails.

The facts are that the Tea Party is Conservative and with these patriots having to go at it alone it implies that there is something terribly wrong with the GOP. The GOP establishment has moved left BOTH morally and fiscally -BOTH because BOTH are tied at the hip -the same authority that premises limited government premises absolute and inalienable moral truth.

I myself am not fooled by the RINOs and the mass media who claim that the Tea Party is morally ambivalent -fiscal only. I call BS on that bit of propaganda. The Tea Party principles are premised upon the same principles this country was founded upon. IF the Tea Party was morally ambivalent THEN why did they not cross over to the Libertarian side of the house -answer me that any RINO reading this post?

158 posted on 05/20/2012 8:32:54 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Windflier

“resist with everything you’ve got”

Please explain to me how electing Obama for another four years can be considered “resisting with everything you’ve got”?!


159 posted on 05/20/2012 10:20:49 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: lonevoice

Impeach NOW.


160 posted on 05/20/2012 11:56:52 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Innovative

We can’t even afford four more minutes with this usurper.


161 posted on 05/21/2012 4:59:02 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Innovative

Obama is also trying to censor the Internet with another international treaty called ACTA. The big media has a black out on ACTA and other secret dealings this creature Obama is engaged in to destroy U.S. sovereignty and to destroy the U.S


162 posted on 05/21/2012 6:06:51 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Vendome

Obama already signed ACTA ( an international treaty that censors the internet like SOPA). And Obama signed ACTA without the consent of congress or even the people knowing about it( the big media has a black out on this).:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/318690

Few people have heard of ACTA… but the provisions in the agreement appear quite similar to – and more expansive than – anything we saw in SOPA. Worse, the agreement spans virtually all of the countries in the developed world, including all of the EU, the United States, Switzerland and Japan.

And this treaty would trump all local and national laws.
Which is part of the reason critics, constitutional scholars, and one Senator is challenging Obama’s constitutional right to sign this treaty.
Obama claims that he signed it as an “executive agreement” which does not require Congressional approval. However, everyone else categorizes it as a treaty, which does require such approval.

But even if we let Obama bask in his delusion of signing an “executive agreement,” Constitutional experts say that he still does not have a right to sign it in the matter of copyright and patent laws. In fact, U.S. Constitutional scholars Jack Goldsmith and Larry Lessig said:


163 posted on 05/21/2012 6:15:36 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: W. W. SMITH

The stuff that Obama is doing is irritating but it has no weight of law. He will be gone after Nov unless he is stupid enough to declare martial law and attempt to subjegate this huge country. If that happens he will be gone a lot sooner.


164 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:20 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Innovative
Yes, what an intelligent approach — instead of trying to save it, just stand by and let it burn to the ground, with all the valuables in it.

American values don't burn.

Wrongney is the firefighter who talks a good game, but whose record shows he's a fan of putting out housefires by dousing them with gasoline.

165 posted on 05/21/2012 6:23:15 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Innovative
If you want you can also post this article:

In signing ACTA, President Barack Obama has again leapfrogged over the U.S. Constitution, critics charge. The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) was signed by the United States and several other countries on October 1 with little fanfare.
In wake of the recent uproar (and subsequent shelving) of the proposed United States’ bills SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and PIPA (Protect IP Act), however, many Americans are now turning their fears toward ACTA

As it stands now, I’m convinced that Obama knowingly bypassed Congress and the United States Constitution to sign a treaty that will help to destroy our First Amendment right of free speech. (Thus his “concern” over the problems with SOPA, earlier this month, was just a charade). How long are we going to let him get away with this?
http://digitaljournal.com/article/318690

166 posted on 05/21/2012 6:30:14 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You’re right, it’s so bad and people don’t realize that Romney is in the bag just like Obama was, they both work for the same people, there will no fixing of anything. Elections will mean absolutely nothing. Anyone who thinks that is not living in reality. Reality is they’ve almost achieved all their goals and freedom is almost completely dead on our watch.


167 posted on 05/21/2012 6:47:56 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Innovative
BUT don’t forget that Congress DID pass Obamacare — what makes you think he won’t bribe and blackmail enough Senators/House reps that he can’t get this passed?

Bribed them with TAX PAYER money. Scott Brown winning the "Kennedy Seat" was the GOP position for stopping the Senate from passing Obamacare. Don't forget the RATS changed the Senate rules so they could jam this monstrosity down our collective throats - used reconciliation for a bill that changed forever 1/6 of our economy. NEVER EVER TRUST A DEMOCRAT.
168 posted on 05/21/2012 7:39:36 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Innovative
I keep trying to tell a friend of mine that America won't survive 4 more years of Obama.

Romney is a patent RINO in the Bloomberg mold of Democrats “turned Republican but not really”.

However, he is not a lifelong red diaper doper baby Marxist Hell bent on ending America's exceptionalism in this world.

169 posted on 05/21/2012 8:48:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Innovative; Neil E. Wright
I suggest stop sweating the impossible stuff and concentrate on getting more conservatives in the House and Senate. That's what I'm doing.

There is NO way the Senate will have a two-thirds majority to ratify this nonsense in an election year. Congress critters have seen the writing on the wall with Spector being kicked out. Hatch is next. Hopefully, more of the GOPe will fall. Looks like we are finally cleaning house.

As I've said for years, Term Limits is the main way back to our Constitutional Republic. Below are just a few of my past recommendations. Sorry, can't remember them all:

1. Term limits. Two terms for Senators and maybe 4 terms for House Reps:
2. Sunset all legislation other than military budgets. Make them vote yearly to spend our tax dollars - BIG ONE IN MY BOOK;
3. Non-partisan judicial committee (like the GAO) to review ALL legislation for Constitutionality. Such a committee would be tasked with looking at ORIGINAL INTENT of the Founding Fathers regarding any legislation before voted on in Congress. Even if one branch disagrees, it would slow down the process of infringing more on our liberties, which would be a good thing;
4. A Constitutional Amendment to repeal the 17th Amendment;
5. Balanced Budget Amendment, like many States have in their State Constitutions;
6. Flat tax. No deductions and no loopholes. Every person and every corporation pays the same 17% or ?;
7. Eliminate the estate (death) tax forever. It is double taxation and simply obscene;
8. ALL Congressional legislation applies to ALL members of both Houses of Congress. Newt got that through, but pretty sure Clinton vetoed;
9. Negate all Executive Orders and start anew!;
10. All presidential nominees to be vetted. No more hiding their past. We The People deserve to know;
11. No direct lobbying by past politicians for 5 or more years. Let them get a real job. Speaking fees are part of our capitalist system - so okay. This may already be in place according to Newt's Contract With America.
12. No carpet-bagging. Bogus temp housing is not okay;
13. ALL bureaucracies, agencies, and other non-elected organizations sunset at 3-5 years. Congress must vote them back in to existence.
14. Re-affirm the 9th and 10th Amendments for States' Rights! Yup, don't know why we should need such, but it's apparently the case nowadays;
15. Legislation or an Amendment to make it easier to impeach all three (3) branch officers/agents when they forsake the ORIGINAL INTENT;
16. Fedgov legislation should require all who vote in the presidential election show a valid Identification that they are citizens and deserve a vote! Let the States have their own requirements for their electoral votes. Don't like it? Move;
17. Eliminate or reduce the Departments of Education (why should that even exist? All school matters should be local), Agriculture (often contrary to actual agriculture), Interior (land grabs?), Health and Human Services (need welfare, ack), Housing and Urban Development (a cabinet department? really? I didn't know that.), Labor (who cares other then unions?), and we know how well the Department of Homeland Security is managing and searching grannies and toddlers and oldsters in wheelchairs under the TSA..

18. Make me King of America for one month and watch much of the above just go away...Har!

My first one to eliminate on day one would be the Department of Homeland Security. Talk about over-kill. What? The entire Pentagon, FBI, CIA, NSA, and the various branches of the military clandestine intel forces can't provide enough intel? Okay, so they didn't always talk to each other and have missed some cues. All that was needed was a small agency to oversee all that intel and correlate and report to the President. Instead, Bush gave us a huge intrusive new cabinet level department with its some thousands of fedgov employees.

Yeah, I know I'm dreaming...it's the only thing that keeps me going.

170 posted on 05/21/2012 9:19:03 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: DesertRhino
“Bush was also an advocate of LOST. His state dept was very busy negotiating it, on these very terms.”

I didn't know that. Maybe that's because nobody reported it, including our ‘conservative’ talk show hosts and FOX. Reminds me of when Bush signed the North American Union treaty, chipping away at our sovereignty, without Congressional debate or approval. Almost nobody reported that either (much less made a stink about it) other than Lou Dobbs.

We're not in trouble because of the marxist left, we're in trouble because there's no real opposition.

171 posted on 05/21/2012 9:29:26 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Forget the GOP and build the Constitution Party, because the status quo is no longer the way to go.)
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To: CatDancer
When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house? Regardless of other comments, that's the best analogy I'VE seen. It'll help me when I have to go out and do something revolting in Nov. Thanks.

It is actually a very flawed analogy -- Mitt in no way could be a firefighter in that analogy. Mitt has no interesting in saving the house. Mitt is only for Mitt.

Mitt is a hardcore Statist. I read an article over the weekend about Mitt. Many on his team of UN loving globalists.

172 posted on 05/21/2012 9:51:04 AM PDT by sand88
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To: a fool in paradise
I keep trying to tell a friend of mine that America won't survive 4 more years of Obama.

Exactly what do you mean? Our Republic will not be destroyed. Obama/Mitt may succeed in having us go through a governmental collapse due to insane Statist policies.

Mitt/Obama may indeed impose policies that will severely debase our currency.

Very hard times lie ahead with either Obama or Mitt. There is no turning back from the inevitable Socialist demise.

The Statists have won (for now).

173 posted on 05/21/2012 9:58:50 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Pride in the USA

That’s something I have dreams about on a regular basis. Not kidding.


174 posted on 05/21/2012 10:10:54 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Mark17

God help us..I pray so..VOTE THIS OBAMANATION OUT


175 posted on 05/21/2012 10:25:44 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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"This will not cost American taxpayers one dime!"


Barack Hussy Obama Junior is right - 7% will go Reparations and Redistribution of American petroleum revenues to primitive stoneage 3rd world nations that do not have anything remotely resembling toilet paper or even the safe drinking and bathing water that the Romans had over 2000 years ago!

As part of the deal, as much as 7% of U.S. government revenue that is collected from oil and gas companies operating off our coast will be forked over to ISA for redistribution to poorer, landlocked countries.




176 posted on 05/21/2012 10:26:30 AM PDT by devolve (------ ---- ---------toss_subhumans_in_Hannibal*s_wild_boar_pit----------- ---------------------)
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To: Chgogal
"Can some Navy person explain why the U.S. Navy supports this BS."

Easy, it's called career/political expediency. It's not the 0-5 Lt. Colonels and Commanders and below that want this, it's the O-6 Colonels and Captains that are looking for General and Admiral stars on their collars. That's where politics come into the equation as I knew it, and everything I've read lately indicates it's more prevalent. Our military is even more susceptible to political winds now.

Even enlisted E-7 had to play the politics of the ship or shore command in my day. After 11 years Navy, I left as an E-6 (staff sergeant to Army/Marine types - tech sergeant to AF) for a new civilian challenge. While I wanted to retire as a Chief Petty Officer (E-7), I'm glad I accepted the offer and didn't have to play the shipboard politics and games at that enlisted level. As an E-6, I had many responsibilities and some privileges, but not high enough to be forced into the game.

Bottom line: If humans are in the mix, then politics and schmoozing (kiss ass climbing) exists, even in the military.

Still, the vast majority of our active military and veterans are the best that this rock has ever seen. They have sacrificed more than most will ever know, and that's not including those wounded or killed, who gave the most.

Every day, there is some Marine, soldier, sailor, or airman away from their loved ones and in harms way or at least working their a** off to do good. Although they now have Internet access to their loved ones (unlike my day relying on snail mail) they are still away in many inhospitable and dangerous places.

And let us not forget the clandestine SEALS, Green Berets/Rangers, Marine Recon, Air Force Combat Air Controllers on the ground still in danger to this day around the world. They are keeping us all safe from the bad guys, contrary to the liberal OWS types who think they are war-mongers and there's no need for a military, but yet those men and woman understand and fight for their freedom to whine. I salute every single man and woman who ever served honorably.

177 posted on 05/21/2012 10:48:19 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: MichaelCorleone
"We're not in trouble because of the marxist left, we're in trouble because there's no real opposition."

Perfect! And don't forget that Bush II insisted and got a new entitlement - prescription medicine.

178 posted on 05/21/2012 10:54:42 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: Vendome

Hmmm.


179 posted on 05/21/2012 2:15:13 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Innovative

The article says Senate Democrats want to pass the treaty before the election in Nov. They think they can do it now but may not be able to after the election.


180 posted on 05/21/2012 2:19:09 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for abortion, homosexuality, gay adoption of children - No to Romney)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“Half of this site is voting for Obama for a second term, it can’t be that bad.”

I had no idea half of the Freepers were voting for Hussein. I must have missed those threads....


181 posted on 05/21/2012 2:41:19 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Publius6961
ThowThrow those enablers on their butts out of office and the Great Uniter is powerless.

I'm sure you meant throw. FWIW, it is much easier to "say" throw them out, than to actually "do" the throwing. Most of the cretins (whether liberal or RHINO) are more often than not in districts or senate seats that are relatively safe for the incumbent - hence, much of the reason why the U.S. is in such dire straights.

182 posted on 05/21/2012 2:41:39 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: sand88

Barry has already toured the Russians through our nuclear weapons sites and plans to give up our defense capabilities. He can be “more flexible” after the next election.

He’s hemmed and hawed on same sex marriage and gays in the military. What policies do you think he will push for after there is no accountability to the yellow dog “non-pinko” Democrats?

We haven’t seen the least of what he’s capable of as he seeks to deliberately bankrupt this nation (to cause economic collapse to “need” a radical change in governance). He’s got an end to American supremacy in his sights as a goal.

The money he doled out to supporters wasn’t “wasted”. It feathered nests. It was a looting of the economy.

All animals are equal, some are more equal than others.


183 posted on 05/21/2012 2:59:41 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Gator113

“I do not like either choice, but I choose to stay with the ship and bail water. We may all go down, regardless of what choice we make.”

Another excellent post. You must be an intelligent fellow because you agree with me.


184 posted on 05/21/2012 3:10:16 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella

;<)


185 posted on 05/21/2012 3:36:21 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Marcella

;<)


186 posted on 05/21/2012 3:36:42 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: AU72

Yep.... agree !


187 posted on 05/21/2012 3:38:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: unkus

Romney is no Firefighter.

On his best day Myth’s draft dodging RINO con-artist arse could not’ve passed the CPAT, much less the Lie detector test required to be one.


188 posted on 05/21/2012 7:59:26 PM PDT by OldEarlGray
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To: OldEarlGray

FUBO!!!


189 posted on 05/21/2012 8:20:31 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Innovative

Congress will NOT ratify this!


190 posted on 05/22/2012 4:56:45 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Innovative

“Many are still so naive that they refuse to see that Obama is a “clear and present danger” to the very existence of the US.”

BINGO!


191 posted on 05/22/2012 5:07:19 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: TexasSecede79366

My father-in-law, who was a simple, but very astute man, used to say, “A wise man occasionally changes his mind, but a damn fool never does.”

Choosing anything that would help reelect Obama at this time in history is utterly insane.


192 posted on 05/22/2012 5:17:29 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Windflier; Innovative; DBeers

The only real choice you have, is whether to support the puppet masters’ destruction of America, or resist with everything you’ve got. There are no other real choices.

__________________________________________

I believe there IS another choice:

Almost ANYONE would be better than Obama. Thus, I will vote to replace Obama with Romney...AND I will work hard at the local and state level to elect wise conservatives who will endeavor to reduce the size of government and make it much more efficient and responsive to the people. Eventually, this will enable us to have far better candidates for the highest offices. I will also strive to see that public education reforms and strengthens its American history, civics and economics instruction. Future voters must learn about the mistakes of history to be able to avoid repeating them.

I will also continue to pray for this nation and repent of my own shortcomings.

Only truly wise choices and the help of God will restore this nation now.


193 posted on 05/22/2012 5:43:11 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: knarf

Get that treasonous bastard out of the White House!!!


194 posted on 05/22/2012 7:48:39 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: marsh2
Great links. I'm surprised so many on this site are saying things like "Obama must get 2/3's of the Senate to ratify, blah, blah"

Yeah, and the Senate is required to pass a budget, follow Senate rules on reconciliation, read bills, oversee the executive branch appointments, and so on.

There was a line item for $30B in the stimulus for electronic health records. I remember mentioning this to numerous people that it was a total boondoggle because we didn't even have the laws or regulatory structure to support such an endeavor. Then surprise, ObaMao-care was "deemed" passed! Ah ha, there's the laws to support a national database of every detail on every person in the USA.

195 posted on 05/22/2012 9:48:35 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: SumProVita
I believe there IS another choice:

Almost ANYONE would be better than Obama. Thus, I will vote to replace Obama with Romney.



196 posted on 05/22/2012 11:01:30 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SumProVita
It's not my mind you're wanting me to change and I'm getting tired of the constant personal attacks by "useful idiots".
If you want to vote for socialism,do so but quit trying to push it on everyone else. That's a liberal trait.
197 posted on 05/22/2012 3:57:51 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: unkus

Yeah, him too.

Either choice is FUBAR for the POTUS - and Tea folks need to make it clear that the occupant of the White Hut will be held accountable.


198 posted on 05/22/2012 4:48:18 PM PDT by OldEarlGray
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To: TexasSecede79366

If you want to vote for socialism,do so but quit trying to push it on everyone else. That’s a liberal trait.

________________________________

THAT is a straw man!


199 posted on 05/23/2012 5:16:54 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Windflier

I would prefer someone more conservatively principled than Romney....but your attempt to make him equal to Obama is quite flawed. The House and Senate will help maintain the road to intelligent reforms and more limited government....until we can, from the grass roots levels, bring up more conservative candidates.


200 posted on 05/23/2012 5:21:27 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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