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California has reason to worry about its business climate
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/20/12 | Dan Walters

Posted on 05/20/2012 12:42:03 PM PDT by SmithL

The Los Angeles Times published an article last week about Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad's efforts to recruit California businesses to his state, citing complaints about California's business climate.

Gov. Jerry Brown's spokesman, Gil Duran, told the Times in response, "This is a Republican myth that is often repeated yet simply not true. Reputable studies have shown that businesses are not fleeing the state for the cold, empty and desolate hinterlands."

The response typified the Capitol's dismissive attitude toward any suggestion that we have become economically uncompetitive.

. . .

Making California hospitable to that job-creating investment should be Job No. 1 in Sacramento, as it is in most other state capitals.

But California's politicians have seemingly gone out of their way to make the state inhospitable, with a dense regulatory structure (including the new cap-and-trade system for limiting carbon emissions), ever higher utility costs, one of the nation's highest tax burdens, and deficiencies in education, transportation, water supply and other forms of public infrastructure.

And it's not just a Republican myth.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: antibusiness; capandtrade; globalwarminghoax; goldenstate

1 posted on 05/20/2012 12:42:15 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

How sad, but predictable....the liberal machine just wont face reality. California is OUR Greece...lets sit back watch them implode!!


2 posted on 05/20/2012 12:50:13 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SmithL

Republican myth? Geez, what a cretin!!

Explain this:

*The tax burden for a company to operate a business in California is 13 to 14 percent higher than the rest of the country

*In 2011, more businesses (254) quit California than the year before (202), which was a high-water mark over 2009 (51). Last year, roughly five businesses left in any given week, one more than left in each week of 2010 when the average was 3.9.

Cali to Businesses: GET OUT!!

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/21_4_california-businesses.html

Bon


3 posted on 05/20/2012 12:55:50 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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To: Dudoight

What an insult to Greece!


4 posted on 05/20/2012 12:55:56 PM PDT by tbd108
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To: SmithL

Winston Smith has found work EVERYWHERE!


5 posted on 05/20/2012 12:56:01 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Dudoight
How sad, but predictable....the liberal machine just wont face reality. California is OUR Greece...lets sit back watch them implode!!

Mitt or Obama will make sure the rest of the country "saves" California. True justice would make certain that California be allowed to totally collapse. To have the rest of America pay for the sins of the vile, evil politicians of that corrupt State government is an evil that should cause the rest of the Republic to rise in righteous indignation.

But, being rabid statists, Mitt or Obama will make sure we transfer the cancer of California Marxism to the rest of the country. The politicians in California know they have an out (at least for a few years).

With Mitt or Obama as President the path to ultimate collapse is unavoidable.

6 posted on 05/20/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by sand88
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To: SmithL

California needs a (business) climate change.


7 posted on 05/20/2012 1:04:40 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SmithL
"...the cold, empty and desolate hinterlands."

Remember that remark in the future when they demand we bail them out. :)

8 posted on 05/20/2012 1:04:51 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

How many times have we been over this??? No use beating a : Dead Horse”. we are all in agreement, the Liberal Democrats of California have created an “ Anti Business” climate, and now must live with it.


9 posted on 05/20/2012 1:09:57 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: SmithL

“Gov. Jerry Brown’s spokesman, Gil Duran, told the Times in response, “This is a Republican myth that is often repeated yet simply not true. Reputable studies have shown that businesses are not fleeing the state for the cold, empty and desolate hinterlands.””

Just three, all among the largest companies in their industries:

Fluor Corp, Orange County CA to Irving TX (Major international engineering & construction contractor to energy, chemical, mining, government infrastructure, nuclear and other markets)

Fidelity National Financial, Santa Barbara CA to Jacksonville FL (2nd largest Title company in the US, plus related financial services, real estate related software, etc).

Northrup-Grumann, Century City CA to Wash. DC suburb (one of the top defense contractors in the world)

They may not be fleeing to Iowa or empty and desolate hinterlands, but they a fleeing, nonetheless.

And their flight is a huge component of the state’s fiscal disaster. Those fleeing companies take with them very highly paid top executives and staff, plus support services, real estate interests, etc.

Gone forever.

I predict the voters will NOT aapprove tax increases, so the state will make the deeper cuts, which in turn will in the short run drag down the economy.


10 posted on 05/20/2012 1:23:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SmithL
California has reason to worry about its business climate

YA THINK??!!??

These cretins keep inventing hidden ways to increase taxes.

NO on EVERY REVENUE RAISING PROPOSITION IN JUNE!!!

Good luck to them. Time for faggots and pitchforks!

11 posted on 05/20/2012 1:34:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: sand88
To have the rest of America pay for the sins of the vile, evil politicians of that corrupt State government is an evil that should cause the rest of the Republic to rise in righteous indignation.

You are making a common mistake.
Aside from LA and Sodom by-the-Bay, the rest of California has been in a state of righteous indignation for decades!

12 posted on 05/20/2012 1:38:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Publius6961
Aside from LA and Sodom by-the-Bay, the rest of California has been in a state of righteous indignation for decades!

This be true, the urban Marxist queers have been riding roughshod over the producers in the rest of California for more than three decades.

13 posted on 05/20/2012 1:46:39 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: SmithL

Isn’t Obamaland great? :)

Now go pay your taxes: your government is broke.


14 posted on 05/20/2012 1:47:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: BooBoo1000
we are all in agreement, the Liberal Democrats of California have created an “ Anti Business” climate, and now [THEY] must live with it.

There.
Clarified it for you.

When the proverbial ten-ton elephant lands, it will be on them.
I just hope to have the power to prosecute them for incompetence, arbitrary and capricious law-making and abuse of public office.

15 posted on 05/20/2012 1:50:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: SmithL
Gov. Jerry Brown's spokesman, Gil Duran, told the Times in response, "This is a Republican myth that is often repeated yet simply not true. Reputable studies have shown that businesses are not fleeing the state for the cold, empty and desolate hinterlands."

When a California based business adds employees, where are they added? Often it is not in California, but in some more business friendly state or country.

16 posted on 05/20/2012 1:51:41 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SmithL; Grampa Dave

Dan Walters isn’t always anti GOP and anti Prop 13 and liberal!!!


17 posted on 05/20/2012 2:18:55 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("GovernMental austerity first, THEN conservative prosperity!!! Austerity breeds properity!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Well, even a dead squirrel point north once in awhile.

The SacBee is part of our states problem.


18 posted on 05/20/2012 2:30:33 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: SmithL

So why do professional relocators of business have a standard saying “ABC” - anyplace but California? There is no place in the word that loves regulations more than California.


19 posted on 05/20/2012 2:42:52 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: SmithL

Okay Brown, call off your fascists brown shirts that are demanding entrance into businesses to make sure they paid all their sales tax and use tax obligations. Heck, I actually had to get dressed to let one of your soldiers into my former Kalifornia business address.


20 posted on 05/20/2012 2:49:28 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Publius6961

You are not entirely accurate in that; la la land and fagfrancisco are the epicenters of the cancer, but it has been metastasising up the I-5 corridor for many years. As the illegal aliens, gang bangers and the worthless have moved into the cities and towns along that corridor the cancer of the liberal entitlement mentality has spread with them. I see it every time I have to go into any city, even here in the north state. I am unfortunately stuck here, but have the benefit of having retired to a small farm about 80 miles from any major highway or freeway on very poor mountain roads. The lowlifes seem to be partial to the larger towns and cities.


21 posted on 05/20/2012 3:12:31 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: All
Californians also have a busy bee state Treasurer---Bill Lockyer---burdening taxpayers with billions in taxes via those bonding deals he loves to put together.

WHERE DID TREASURER BILL GET THE MONEY TO BACK THE WIFE? IS HE THAT WELL-PAID? Treasurer Bill's $1.5 million to his wife's campaign, which allowed her to outspend her opponents. The Tribune newspaper reported it did not endorse Mrs Lockyer because of the thinness of her resume. They interviewed her and examined her glossy campaign literature (paid for by her hubby).

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REFERENCE Here's some popular campaign funding frauds:

* Instructing a campaign volunteer to forge the handwriting of campaign donors on donor contribution forms required by the Campaign Finance Board.

* Offering to reimburse an individual for a donation to the campaign.

* Instructing campaign volunteers, and others, not to accept consecutively numbered money orders as donations to evade detection about shady donations.

* Discussing ways to conceal information about bundlers.

* Working closely with bundlers on fund-raising events in which donors were illegally reimbursed for their contributions.

* Impeding investigations by failing to produce subpoenaed records in an apparent attempt to evade detection.

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REFERENCE Treasurer Bill has been married since April 2003 to Nadia Maria Davis (an Hispanic Native American.) Lockyer was married twice before, and has an adult daughter four years older than Nadia who is an attorney for NASA.

Lockyer and Nadia have a son, named Diego, born a couple months after they wed.

Nadia Lockyer was elected to the Alameda County Bd of Supervisors Nov 2010 but was forced out after a highly publicized extramarital affair. After Treasurer Bill gave Nadia $1.5 milllion to outspend her opponent, Nadia was elected to the Alameda County Board of Supervisors Nov 2010....and neither of them told voters Nadia was using drugs that she now says were supplied by her husband.

She was in a motel room with her paramour, whom she met in rehab, when Nadia called cops claiming he had assaulted her.

Treasurer Bill's bizarro explanation for his wife's being in a motel room---bedded down with another man......"he and his wife argued so she went to the motel to comfort her suicidal ex-boyfriend" who has a long history of involvement with the criminal justice system. Lockyer said, "her only fault is occasionally having one too many drinks."

22 posted on 05/20/2012 3:43:03 PM PDT by Liz (Ut, oh----relax, put your feet up, and butter the popcorn----now watch the PA Porker Shuffle begin.)
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To: truth_seeker
I predict the voters will NOT aapprove tax increases,

Really? I guess I'm just cynical; but, I would predict the exact opposite. CA voters are insane, and they will vote to raise taxes. In the 2010 elections, they had choices to make that would have put their state on a better path. They rejected all other options, and chose to go with the status quo of how the state has been run for years. They seem completely detached from reality.

23 posted on 05/20/2012 4:10:36 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

“I predict the voters will NOT aapprove tax increases,

Really? I guess I’m just cynical; but, I would predict the exact opposite. CA voters are insane, and they will vote to raise taxes. In the 2010 elections, they had choices to make that would have put their state on a better path. They rejected all other options, and chose to go with the status quo of how the state has been run for years. They seem completely detached from reality.”

California has rarely voted to raise taxes.

November 2010 voted AGAINST expanded legal marijuana (prop. 19)), passed Citizen Redistricting (prop 20), and defeated Prop 27 backed by Soros, various govt. employee interest groups like SEIU, CA Dem party, etc.

There were no tax measures I could find.

Some GOP candidates did surprisingly well, considering party registration.

CA voters are not insane, they are voting perceived self-interest like voters everywhere.

Their perceptions about self-interest are formed by their demography, various media, etc.

You and I may not like their choices or the factors influencing them, but that doesn’t mean they are insane.

To the contrary they are quite SANE, if sane equals doing the same thing over and over expecting the SAME results.

ie. Takers who want more from government vote for those most likely to give it to them, and they predictably get it.

That may be despicable, but it is also sane.

But they ALSO historically vote against tax increases to pay for it, hence the deficits lately.

Historically there was a Golden Goose in the form of wealthy sucessful companies and taxpayers, but many have left, taking their tax payments with them.

Again the result is recent big deficits.


24 posted on 05/20/2012 4:52:04 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SierraWasp

“Dan Walters isn’t always anti GOP and anti Prop 13 and liberal!!!”

About a year ago, aliens must have kidnap Walters and replaced his left wing/anti prop 13 mind/sole with a fair balanced mind.

Many of his opeds since the kidnapping are balanced and go against the left wing bs. I don’t think that he has asked to have prop 13 recalled since the aliens kidnapped him.


25 posted on 05/20/2012 5:07:52 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: SmithL

“Cold, empty and desolate hinterlands”......it’s true.....we have to eat all newcomers.....unclean!.....unclean!....stay in California!


26 posted on 05/20/2012 6:17:01 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SmithL

So MoonBeams predicted $16 billion in debt is a Myth too?Arrogant talk from a Governor who desperately needs more business growth and not less.


27 posted on 05/20/2012 7:06:25 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Grampa Dave; edcoil; SmithL
All they are saaaa-ying, is give Dan a chance!!! (chuckle)

Where'd yew git that George Nory story, Grampa??? (grin)

I think he's starting to see the state tilt so far over to the stupid left that he too can hardly believe it and it scares him as well!!! (snarl)

28 posted on 05/20/2012 7:32:39 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("GovernMental austerity first, THEN conservative prosperity!!! Austerity breeds properity!!!)
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To: Dudoight
I get really tired of these stupid statements.

California no doubt has massive problems.

But they pale compared to the federal government which we are all on the hook for.

The federal government is $15 trillion in the hole and adding more than $1 trillion to it a year. California would have to be $1.5 trillion in the hole and adding $100 billion to it a year to be comparable. California is an insignificant piker compared to the federal government.

So you and others that want to look at California and say, “look, Greece on the Pacific” better get a clue. The United States is Greece, not California. Stop pretending all is well wherever you are and that California is the problem. It isn't and we are all sinking into the abyss together regardless of what state you are in.

29 posted on 05/20/2012 9:30:24 PM PDT by DB
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To: DB

I agree with everything you say. But was just commenting on the CA situation.

Since I live in Texas, and we are not doing all that bad...I think we need to secede before the rest of the USA goes Greece!

This coming presidential election is the most crucial in the history of the USA. The mind set of this evolved entitlement culture is out of control.


30 posted on 05/21/2012 6:36:19 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: All; SmithL
Gov. Jerry Brown's spokesman, Gil Duran, told the Times in response, "This is a Republican myth that is often repeated yet simply not true. Reputable studies have shown that businesses are not fleeing the state for the cold, empty and desolate hinterlands."

Fake but accurate?

Remember Brown's own Lt Gov, Gavin Newsom, went down to TX with a legislative delegation to meet with Gov Perry and others to find out why businesses have relocated there from CA.

Of course, you can't consider Texas "cold" now, can you, Gil Duran?

31 posted on 05/21/2012 8:05:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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