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Romney's Faith, Silent but Deep
New York Times ^ | May 19, 2012 | Jodi Kantor

Posted on 05/20/2012 3:18:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

When Mitt Romney embarked on his first political race in 1994, he also slipped into a humble new role in the Mormon congregation he once led.

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Mr. Romney’s penchant for rules mirrors that of his church, where he once excommunicated adulterers and sometimes discouraged mothers from working outside the home.

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Clayton M. Christensen, a business professor at Harvard and a friend from church, said the question that drove the Sunday school classes — how to apply Mormon gospel in the wider world — also drives Mr. Romney’s life.

When Mr. Romney’s former Sunday school students listen to him campaign, they sometimes hear echoes of messages he delivered to them years before: beliefs that stem at least in part from his faith, in a way that casual observers may miss. He is not proselytizing but translating, they say — taking powerful ideas and lessons from the church and applying them in another realm.

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In Mormonism, salvation depends in part on constantly making oneself purer and therefore more godlike.

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But many also see a gap between his religious ideals — and his political tactics. The chasm has been hard to reconcile, even though people close to him say he is serious about trying to do so.



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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: faith; inman; mormonism; romney; romneyandgod
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To: greyfoxx39

It was in reference to lies and distortions and the tactics used by the Romney campaign in their attacks on Newt Gingrich and what amounts to the same in covering the Romney record of flip flops with specific reference to to the effect of Romneycare on Catholic Charities in Mass. Do you believe Harry Reid is truthful? I equate lying and misrepresentation with adultry and other sins.

Romney doesn’t have the locked up 1144 delegates or the nomination yet and I will withold any support of him until one of those two things happen and then I will look at my options. I fully expect Romney to be the nominee, I have never voted for anyone for any office that was not a Republican, I will do what needs to be done, I have performed many un-pleasant chores in my life some having to do with septic tanks and some having to do with voting.

I do not understand what you question about my post unless you are prepared to tell me that Romney and his campaign and those campaigning in his behalf including the PACS have been truthful. Do you also believe Harry Reid is truthful?


51 posted on 05/20/2012 6:41:39 PM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: duffee

I had no question about your post except that the wording caused some misreading by other posters. You have cleared it up now.


52 posted on 05/20/2012 6:47:07 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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Keep FR Running
Let's get to Yellow!

53 posted on 05/20/2012 6:50:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian

I sent comment 51 to greyfoxx I also should have sent it to SCVW and Colofornian.

It was in reference to lies and distortions and the tactics used by the Romney campaign in their attacks on Newt Gingrich and what amounts to the same in covering the Romney record of flip flops with specific reference to to the effect of Romneycare on Catholic Charities in Mass. Do you believe Harry Reid is truthful? I equate lying and misrepresentation with adultry and other sins.

Romney doesn’t have the locked up 1144 delegates or the nomination yet and I will withold any support of him until one of those two things happen and then I will look at my options. I fully expect Romney to be the nominee, I have never voted for anyone for any office that was not a Republican, I will do what needs to be done, I have performed many un-pleasant chores in my life some having to do with septic tanks and some having to do with voting.

I do not understand what you question about my post unless you are prepared to tell me that Romney and his campaign and those campaigning in his behalf including the PACS have been truthful. Do you also believe Harry Reid is truthful?


54 posted on 05/20/2012 6:51:22 PM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: duffee

Thanks D.


55 posted on 05/20/2012 6:55:18 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

I was not talking about your post, I was talking about Romney, his campaign, PACS and his minions such as Governor Christie who was called numerous times on the $300,000 fine p-laced on Newt which was not a fine but he persisted in calling it that. That is a lie.

A little late getting to the point, I overlooked this post, I apologize for any confusion but it was probably caused by me.


56 posted on 05/20/2012 7:12:29 PM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: svcw

Your very welcome, I really hate misunderstandings. I had read one of the later post and missed the post I just replied to but NO, I never thought you lied or misrepresented. Thank You.

duffee


57 posted on 05/20/2012 7:26:26 PM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh come on, that’s one of the only positive things I’ve ever said about Mutt.


58 posted on 05/20/2012 7:30:06 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: greyfoxx39

In an attempt to inject a little levity into the serious business of back stabbing of America.....Am I the only one who read the title SILENT BUT DEADLY ?


59 posted on 05/20/2012 7:44:57 PM PDT by contrarian (Willard ? willard !- we ARE so screwed)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Mormon religion is a river that is a mile wide and 1/4 inch deep.


60 posted on 05/20/2012 9:57:14 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: greyfoxx39

The Mormon religion is a river that is a mile wide and 1/4 inch deep.


61 posted on 05/20/2012 9:57:14 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Chong

Paul said the following.

1Co 5:9 ¶ I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


62 posted on 05/21/2012 4:35:03 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: GBA
Please Mitt, it's time to not be silent about what is most important.

...and that would be what?

63 posted on 05/21/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: greyfoxx39

I received a call last week from the NRC and discussed my displeasure with them and Romney, who doesn’t have the nomination. I let them send the info with a minimum pledge but made it clear I may not honor it, I have contributed to them in the past. This weekend I was a delegate to our State Republican concention and all the speakers, mostly our State and Federal elected officials, touted Romney and talked about how Conservative he is. This is indeed going to be very difficult whatever path I take but it will probably be the ABO, IF he gets the nomination. Our convention was very scripted and executive committee candidates were already picked and we just had a yea or nay vote. Only one resolution was passed from the floor and that became the highlight of the convention. It added a debt ceiling resolution to the platform and passed with only 3 nay votes and I got the impression that was to the dismay of the powers that be. It was offered by a new Republican and Tea Party activist from my county, she, her husband and myself were alternates that got seated as delegates. We have worked together for 3 years now and I rode down with them. She was instrumental in the petition drive to get Voter ID on the Mississippi ballot.


64 posted on 05/21/2012 8:36:50 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: greyfoxx39
The NY Times were able to find Romney's Sunday School students, but can't find even one of Obama's "constitutional law" students? Or a Columbia classmate. Or something he's written as Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Or the funder of his education. Or whether Obama received grants as a foreign student. Or his transcripts. Or much of anything about Obama.

Poison. The NY Times is poison.

65 posted on 05/21/2012 9:06:55 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: caww

I would like to know how and what departments of government he would get rid of to reduce size of government and spending but he says he can’t divulge that because the list wouldn’t be good enough for Conservatives.

I would like to know what the 2nd Amendement means to him, how he inturrupts it.

This is just an example of two things. What we get is someone goes into a private meeting with him, such as Ted Nugent on the 2nd Amendment, and comes out and can’t divulge what was said but says “trust me he’s okay on this I like it, we can trust him”. That’s crap, he needs to be open and say these good things to ME and all the Conservatives. Now I don’t trust Ted Nugent either.


66 posted on 05/21/2012 9:12:41 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: Jabba the Nutt; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
Poison. The NY Times is poison.

Perhaps you aren't aware of the fact that what is published in the NYT is picked up by many of the state-run media outlets. That's why I found Axelrod's claim that "mormonism is off the table for the Obama campaign" hilarious...

We are in for a religious war in the press with Obama on one side and the multi-billion-dollar mormon church on the other.

For an example of the mormon propaganda being spread, click here Mormons and Demons

This is a 4400-word apologetic screed with a misleading title that is nothing but a Romney boosting essay, with hits on Huckabee, Protestants and Catholics and praise for Mitt..."All of this religiosity is going to be used against him in the coming months by people who would like to knock religion down a peg—especially his own form of wonderbread, patriarchal, particularly American religion. The politically expedient course would have been for Romney to practice his Mormonism sparingly. Yet he wouldn’t have made it this far without it, and he has in the past been honest enough to admit this."

Put the American Spectator in the RINO column for this "mess of pottage".

67 posted on 05/21/2012 10:02:21 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: greyfoxx39

In his Bush Library speech four years ago, Romney acknowledged that his faith could “sink my candidacy,” and if that were to happen, well, “so be it.” But he believed on the whole “Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world.”
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Romney is a bit confused here...

This has nothing to do with Mormonism...

The LORD Jesus Christ was speaking about Christianity, the religion that Romney rejects...the Bible that Romney does not believe...

What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose his own soul? Matthew 16:26, Mark 8:35-37, Luke 9:25

Christianity is used as a convenience by Romney who misquotes the words of the LORD Jesus Christ in an attempt to get elected...


68 posted on 05/21/2012 10:49:16 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39

This bit from that same American Spectator June 2012 article was interesting too...

“At a Boston St. Patrick’s Day breakfast in 2005, he explained his opposition to gay marriage in religious terms. As a Mormon, he said, “I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman.”

Where was George Stephenopolous when Romney misspoke and needed correcting ???


69 posted on 05/21/2012 10:54:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39
The greatest danger that Mormonism presents is that its "Jesus" is not the Jesus of the Bible and cannot save anyone........for that many well intentioned Mormons are under a great deception and cruel hoax.

Romney as President will encourage people to inquire of the counterfeit Christ Mormonism presents, just by obtaining the seat of President of this nation and LDS know this well.

This nations people are primed to be followers when the Pipers Pipe....... (which is happening now and which LDS are already promoting and carrying out their propaganda to the public...they will go to all expense to see their agenda forwarded as they see this as there hour and time).

Mormonism is a path of ultimate destruction and known as that by any who know what God says about who He is and Who His Son is and what mans relationship is to Him. Their rituals and practices fly in the face of who Jesus Christ is, though they have been successfull in pulling off this fraud to an uninformed general public.

Mormons 'invented' a whole pre-history for America, for which there isn't a shred of evidence. .......They've never repudiated this bogus history, ...including Romney...and they have an political agenda for this country in which they have full intentions of carrying out and are positioned to do so.

LDS is a 'dangerous cult' and a cruel hoax... regardless of the front they project to outsiders....most cults do just that....... Eve was also deceived by appearances and the words spoken....."Has not God said you will be like God" which is what Mormonism's key doctrine is about.

.....Any religion that claims people can become "God" is a cult.. Further Mormonism has many 'occult' practices within it's churches as well as symbols.

So where does this leave the voter? The lesser of two EVILS choice is now between:

..... a 'GOP Socialist and LDS cultist' vs. the 'Democrat Socialist and Liberation Theology cultist'.

Neither of which have our nation or it's peoples interests in mind. Rather each has another course of destruction to this nation and how people will conduct themselves...neither of which is Freedom.

My vote will be against them both.

70 posted on 05/21/2012 11:06:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

HEY !!!

Im not voting for Obama...

So that means Romney will win gone-durn-it...

(or so say the RomneyBots)


71 posted on 05/21/2012 11:19:14 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: caww
So where does this leave the voter? The lesser of two EVILS choice is now between:
..... a 'GOP Socialist and LDS cultist' vs. the 'Democrat Socialist and Liberation Theology cultist'.
Neither of which have our nation or it's peoples interests in mind. Rather each has another course of destruction to this nation and how people will conduct themselves...neither of which is Freedom.

Well said!

72 posted on 05/21/2012 11:24:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: T Minus Four
The Mormon religion is a river that is a mile wide and 1/4 inch deep. ...

...that oozes into Lake Erie after slogging from Akron to Cleveland.

73 posted on 05/21/2012 12:14:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
“fact checking error” ALERT!!!


Book of Mormon change: Instead of being the "principal ancestors" of American Indians, Lamanites are now......?among the ancestors of the American Indians.?
 [The original phrase and the changes are noted in Red and bold for emphasis]

In the Introduction to the Book of Mormon the second paragraph reads:

?The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of the two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites.
After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.?

This was included in the first printing runs of the Doubleday Edition.
 

In the latest printing of the Doubleday Edition of the Book of Mormon, the last sentence was changed to read:

?...After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.?

The interesting thing is this change is not published anywhere. Additionally, the new Doubleday Edition still lists itself as a first edition. I am no publisher, but my understanding was when you made changes, you listed it as a second, third, etc. edition. The second edition also indicates that it is still first printing, which would be impossible since the change was made. [post further down explains the publishing numbering practices]


75 posted on 05/21/2012 12:20:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: duffee

Romney’s not going to say anything he doesn’t have to or thinks you need to know. That should be clear to everyone at this point...and when he does answer he’ll be evasive...he’s done so his entire life and groomed to be just that. ..otherwise expect what he says to be lies even he doesn’t believe. How any can expect any degree of truth from Romney is beyond mindboggling....you aren’t going to get it..and that’s the deal.


76 posted on 05/21/2012 2:12:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: greyfoxx39

Let’s put an end to Romney’s wonderful-sounding lies, and work to DUMP ROMNEY. Romney has been telling lies that con us into believing that “Change” is coming.

There will be little change. Romney will be Obamalite. For example, Romney says that he will “get rid of” Obama”care” by sending it in 50 pieces to our already bankrupt 50 States. That will just increase the financial, and regulation impact of Obama”care.”

My reasoning for the DUMP ROMNEY Campaign is as follows:

DUMP ROMNEY and replace him with a stellar Dark Horse Republican Presidential Nominee.

IF Romney is probably going to lose to Obama, THEN it is incumbent upon the RNC to intervene and declare an OPEN Convention, regardless of the Primary delegates that Romney has.

Continued accumulation of Primary delegates in the remaining State Primaries is the key to improving Paul’s chances of forcing the GOP-E to hold an OPEN Convention in Tampa.

Paul will then have completed his main task in this Primary: giving the delegates the freedom to DUMP ROMNEY!

My goal is to defeat the insanity of Keyensian Economics in “both” of our very sorry political parties THIS YEAR!

This can be accomplished by the Delegates choosing a stellar Dark Horse Nominee, such as R-Rep. Allen West of Florida, to slaughter Obama in a November Landslide.

It is not enough to beat Obama, he must be smashed in a huge landslide to repudiate his Marxist ideas for America!

Romney is not Warrior enough to do so.

The key is to FORCE the GOP-E to allow for an OPEN Convention in Tampa. Without an OPEN Convention the SOS of INSANE Federal Over-Spending will keep America on the same crowded track with Greece, and Kalifornia.

There are over 15, 000, 000, 000, 000 reasons why spending more money this year than was taken in during the previous year is an INSANE path to financial destruction.

Neither Obama or Romney have presented a plan to spend our Federal dollars in a non-insane manner.

For example, the GOP Elite have stood in line to endorse Romney, to endorse “The Ryan Budget,” and to compromise-away every opportunity to reduce Federal Spending.

I included the Ryan Budget, because Rep. Paul Ryan himself says that his “Budget” will balance in 30 YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, I added those exclamation points, because both you and I know that Ryan’s budget will NEVER balance, and thus will never be a fact. The exclamation points are just for volume emphasis.

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The main point of my post is as follows: In order to DUMP ROMNEY there must be an OPEN, or “Bartered” Convention.

Ron Paul, Santorum and Newt are our best hopes to achieve an OPEN Convention because they have the most Delegates to force the Romney Delegates to approve of an OPEN Convention.

Since RP is the only active Candidate left standing, he has the best chance of forcing the RNC to have an OPEN Convention in Tampa.

With an OPEN Convention, NONE of the Primary Candidates stand a chance of becoming the Nominee, except Romney.

That possibility must be countered by a stellar Dark Horse, that is someone that has not run in this years Primary Campaign.

Otherwise Romney will follow the same stupid path as McCain and lose to Obama “much to the surprise of the GOP-E.”

Ron Paul, Santorum and Newt were rejected by Primary voters, and would be re-soundly rejected by the voters in the National Election. Thus, their main value is to force an OPEN Convention.

The Convention Delegates then would have a chance to choose a Nominee who could easily defeat Obama.

I had earlier supported R-Sc Sen. Jim DeMint, but he will not leave the Senate. Now I support R-Fla. Rep. Allen West. Rep. Allen West is a retired US Army Colonel, straight-talking Conservative, AND is the only non-welcome member of the Congressional Black Caucus, (the Libs hate him).

There are many other Republican non-RINO Dark Horses who would make excellent Dark Horse Nominees.

The DUMP ROMNEY Campaign requires an OPEN or “Bartered” Convention in Tampa.

Make your voice and vote count towards an OPEN Convention in Tampa, Florida!

BTW, Nominee Allen West WOULD be Florida’s favorite son in November - - - .


77 posted on 05/21/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Tennessee Nana

Romney cannot win in November...the best he can hope for is to stand by and let Obama LOSE the race...and that’s what it will come down to if he gets in.


78 posted on 05/21/2012 2:57:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tennessee Nana

Romney cannot win in November...the best he can hope for is to stand by and let Obama LOSE the race...and that’s what it will come down to if he gets in.


79 posted on 05/21/2012 2:57:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
There are a few things that Mitt would do better than obama, almost all are about finances.

What I believe we are heading for, or vice versa, has little to do with the money, but more along the lines of how we have broken the covenant the Founding Fathers made.

Mitt hasn't said much to make me believe he will change our course and get us back on the road we started on.

If we don't do that, none of his or our solutions will change a thing.

80 posted on 05/21/2012 11:04:34 PM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happing to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: GBA; Colofornian; svcw; greyfox; aMorePerfectUnion
we have broken the covenant the Founding Fathers made.

If you mean when our Founding Fathers dedicted this nation as one nation under God?....well Newt was also speaking of this thru his campaign...But without using 'Covenant"...to once again Honor God thru His Son Jesus Christ rather than turn our backs on him as we've been doing as a nation.

However a word of caution to talk of Covenant-America... as there is a "Movement" gaining some traction which claims the Covenants with Israel were passed on to America thru our founding fathers... making America the New Promised land....and this is bordering closely to Replacement Theology which is a hoax.....and directly in line with the 'Poitical Agenda of the Mormon Church" that they be central to the formation of this unity of faiths and restoration of our country..which is ultimately a smoke screen.

The Covenant we make is with Christ Jesus....and adherance to Him. Not to our nation...We are a Christian Nation Because we are Christians notbecause we join all religious faiths....which is the purpose of this movement under the disguise and deception of this "Covenant double speak" going around now.

The Enemy of Christianity uses that which is close to our heart and we need to be on guard for this nation at this time of it's weakness...wolfs are out there ready to take it down a path never intended and likely under the disguise of a religious and seemingly patriotic nature as both would unite the country......under what false premise needs to be looked at very carefully. This Movement is a fraud.....so be alert please.

BTW:

Glen Beck is also promoting it, once again using the Tea Parties to help bait the people. Very similar to his march on Washington where he deceptively interJected Mormon teachings and visuals throughout that.....this is now the next step of deception to prime the public...and they're using Patriotism and unity of faiths step by step to bait the people.

Here are some of Beck's disturbing quotes with Ballard:

Ballard states.... He talked about it all the time, that every religious sect in this nation needs to be upheld, needs to be given their due freedom, and that was ‑‑ that was key to him and to his understanding of the fruit of this covenant, that all religions....

GLENN: There was everyone arm in arm. All faiths walking arm in arm intentionally. They’re all walking together in ‑‑ to worship God. All of them.........You plus a covenant equals security. Prosperity. Peace. That’s the way it is. It’s just that simple.

You can read the transcript of this Inerview with Ballard on Becks site.....it's very disturbing to me.

Also GBTV will be instrumental with the Mormon Agenda as we see it is now....they just don't tell you.

81 posted on 05/22/2012 12:33:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: greyfoxx39

Will you share, I can’t figure it out, what keeps
people in Mormonism? Where is the love for it’s teachings?

God bless you greyfoxx,


82 posted on 05/22/2012 12:59:41 AM PDT by stpio
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To: caww
...and when he does answer he’ll be evasive...

Golly!

It must an inbred trait of MORMONism!!

83 posted on 05/22/2012 4:05:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Graewoulf

You’ve stated it quite well.


84 posted on 05/22/2012 4:07:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GBA
There are a few things that Mitt would do better than obama, almost all are about finances.

And every reduction IS going to p.o. a LOT of 'voters' who are DEPENDING on our wallets to allow them to continue the livestyle they've adapted top.

It will be VERY ugly!

85 posted on 05/22/2012 4:10:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GBA
... adapted TO.
86 posted on 05/22/2012 4:10:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: caww
The Covenant we make is with Christ Jesus....and adherance to Him. Not to our nation...We are a Christian Nation Because we are Christians not - because we join all religious faiths.

True.


2 Chronicles 7:14 
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways,
then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
 
 
 
James 4:10
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

87 posted on 05/22/2012 4:18:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: stpio
Will you share, I can’t figure it out, what keeps people in Mormonism?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"Stop! Listen to me! You're next!"
 
 
 
 

88 posted on 05/22/2012 4:31:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: stpio
Where is the love for it’s teachings?

The next time you hear Amazing Grace played on the bagpipes; you'll think of this.

Oh; the thing will LOOK human and SOUND human enough to pass in society; but at NIGHT...


MORMONism is the result of a pod of psuedo-christianity laid near an unsuspecting person, thereby stealing their soul.

MORMONs may LOOK Christian, and most of the time they SOUND Christian; but inSIDE...

89 posted on 05/22/2012 4:38:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
hamartia
90 posted on 05/22/2012 4:41:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: caww

this is bordering closely to Replacement Theology which is a hoax.....and directly in line with the ‘Poitical Agenda of the Mormon Church”
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Yes Willard repeatedly mentions the “promise of America” and “restoring the promise of America” “restoring...” etc

Without any explanation...

Much Mormon-speak...

Too bad nobody bothers to asked him what he means...

he just throws out his weird Mormon double talking points and gets away with it..


91 posted on 05/22/2012 4:49:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: caww

Yep


92 posted on 05/22/2012 6:27:26 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: stpio
Will you share, I can’t figure it out, what keeps people in Mormonism?

Fear is the main reason for staying in mormonism, ignorance by members of church history is second, a feeling of superiority for belonging to the "one true church" is third.

The fear is instilled in children at a very young age...fear of losing one's "eternal family", as they grow older the brainwashing continues with fear of being kept out of the "place where God and Jesus reside" and the very real fear of shunning by their mormon friends and family.

Fear, ignorance and the feeling of being "speshul" along with in many cases, being born into or converting into the sect in an area that is heavily mormon like Utah and several other enclaves.

THE MAZE OF MORMONISM

More on leaving mormonism...click here

93 posted on 05/22/2012 7:44:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Elsie

Thanks.

It is time to oppose the same sorry mistakes that McCain and the RINO Party made in 2008.

It is also time for us as Conservatives to recognize and avoid making the same sorry mistakes that WE made in 2008.

One mistake that we made in 2008 was to revert back to the old days when we were known as “The Silent Majority.” We grumbled, held our noses, and Caved-In as all good RINO sheep are expected to do.

Our Silent Caving-In in 2008 created the problem that MANY Conservatives refused to vote for McCain.

IF we behave in 2012 as RINO Sheep and Cave-In to whoever the RINOs endorse, nominate and support, then we Conservatives are no better than our RINO U.S. Representatives and Senators who always Cave-In.

This election is for ALL of the marbles! We cannot afford to play the old RINO game that caused the defeat of McCain to Marxist Obama in 2008.

Obama is much stronger politically now than he was against McCain in 2008, but the RINO Party refuses to consider that reality.

It is time to DUMP ROMNEY who is obviously to weak of a candidate to beat Obama.

The Delegates need to choose in an OPEN Convention a strong NON-RINO Nominee who can soundly defeat Obama, and coat-tail U.S. Senators and Representatives into Congress.

Romney is not that man: DUMP ROMNEY!

We must learn from the mistakes made by the McCain Campaign and rub the collective noses of the RINOs in it!

Romney is counting on the old Classical Conservative Cave-In.

I can hear Romney now: “You have no choice but to vote for me. I’ll be even more severely Conservative than I was when I rammed through Romney”care.” Trust me, I know how The Economy works. Etc, etc., etc.”

The battle to win back a CONSERVATIVE White House is starting to break wide open!


94 posted on 05/22/2012 9:11:54 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Tennessee Nana
Much Mormon-speak...Too bad nobody bothers to asked him what he means...he just throws out his weird Mormon double talking points and gets away with it..

That is what 'counterfeit' Christianity is......sounds like the real thing, looks like the real thing, acts like the real thing..but it is a hoax.

Unfortunately the General Public is not aware of the 'language of Mormonism' any more than they are Islam.....though both might use the same Christian verbiage it's meaning is not as the Christian Community understands... again it's a counterfeit.......

The idea is to get everyone using 'the same language' thus the baiting of uninformed listeners, who think they are talking the same language, the dialog then can ensue and remain open.

Romney is a picture of what deception looks like....when he speaks it will always be 'with effort' of maintaining the front he projects...and why he stutters and misdirects away from anything which would reveal him as he is.

Even the press and journalists, those who've worked with Romney, recognize the "distancing" he does and inability to connect with the people outside his church......because He simply cannot, nor desires to.

Secrecy within Mormonism and a false projection is paramount to keep the dark side of Mormonism hidden...and Romney's had a lifetime to perfect that which he allows to be seen.

You're right...anytime Romney uses the word.."Restoring, Restoration of our country"....it's not with the meaning we as Americans see it...it is with the idea of positioning this country under LDS influence and their leaderships political agenda for this nation......

Which is why I brought up this "Covenant" talk being used now. ...It's a word we'll hear more and more of.. but it's meaning is being totally misconstrued to tie Mormonism into the religious fabric of this country with a cover of Patriotism . ......when it's really a form of Replacement Theology....with a Patriotic/Mormonism twist.

It can be frustrating seeing people like Beck and Romney using that which is dear to our country to promote their cult across this nation and it's leaderships political agenda. I honestly don't see Americans waking up to this deception....anymore than those who wouldn't wakeup to Obama.

This nation has become sheep willingly being prepared for the slaughter....the Piped Piper is playing his tune and the people are following...and the ABO crowd are falling in line.

95 posted on 05/22/2012 9:16:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: greyfoxx39

It might occur to you that some are going to vote for Romney instead of allowing little barry abstard commie to have the last four years he needs to destroy America. That doesn’t make them Mitt supporters, but it does indicate they are more focused on trying to buy time to save the Republic, rather than kicking LDS inc or the GOP in the groin for spite.


96 posted on 05/22/2012 9:16:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Graewoulf

I agree though I think too many conservatives are confused and overly frightened, who will vote Romney just the same as those who knew better of Obama voted for him...and likewise McCain voters, as myself, who again held my nose.

...But this time I will be voting against both...as neither Romney nor Obama have the peoples interests in mind...in fact we are furtherest from their minds except for the vote we give and our pocketbooks.

May God give us the heart of Gideon and those who long before us knew and desired to fight the good fight....the Red Sea needs to be opened....


97 posted on 05/22/2012 9:25:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: MHGinTN; svcw; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian; colorcountry; Jim Robinson
Don't lecture me Marvin.

Your NEW "go along to get along" attitude is a huge change in your years of posting truth against the cultic aspect of mormonism...did your mormon friend succeed in converting you?

If you are so happy with Romney, why don't you post favorable articles about him and refrain from clicking on the articles I post?

This goes for any other former Flying Inmen. It's your right to support Mitt if you like, and my right to keep on fighting heresy.

98 posted on 05/22/2012 9:48:42 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: greyfoxx39
THE MAZE OF MORMONISM....these are very good links Greyfox...as they explain how Mormon practices and teachings work to stop the critical thinking and reasoning people would otherwise use.

This is similar to the New Age Spirituality, The Emergent Church, Scientology, and Islamic forms of indoctrination.

These Cultish practices and Indoctrinations are used by it's leadership, and desired for a membership which is devoid of critical thinking with a strong focus on feelings from fear, to false guilt and creates an emotional slide from one to the other...which of course is the enemy of mens souls objective to keep them in bondage and the stronghold they are in....without any true peace from God...rather instills a false peace on the few occassions they might find it.

Thank you for posting those links....they certainly reveal what ‘happens’ to a Mormon thru those indoctrinations...and is typical of cults and occult practices.

99 posted on 05/22/2012 9:50:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Our Founding Fathers were religious men of honor and integrity who understood how things are.

I was lead to believe this was not the case by the Progressive bowel movement's successful takeover of our school system.

This is 180 out and a couple of light years away from the truth.

This is the deal we made:

“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.”
--George Washington, First Inaugural Address, April 30, 1789

As long as we upheld our end of the deal, we enjoyed God's grace and protection. Look around. Pretty obvious we have broken that deal and now, lucky us, are getting the first wake up calls of the consequences heading directly for US.

I maintain that is what the progressives had in mind. They saw/knew the truth. Once they got us to cross that line, the protection was lifted and we could be taken down, but not before.

And cross the line we did! 1973 was certainly a milestone, probably the final straw.

And if and until we get back to where we once belonged, Nothing, no symptom based solution is going to "fix" our problems. Things just keep on ramping up.

And lucky us, we're the ones the consequences land on...but we're also the ones who can truly fix it.

Or maybe we'll be around to hit the America Restart button once the dust settles.

100 posted on 05/22/2012 9:57:38 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happing to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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