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Obama the Inchoate Kenyan
American Thinker ^ | May 21, 2012 | Mark J. Fitzgibbons

Posted on 05/21/2012 1:56:55 AM PDT by Kukai

It is reasonable to believe that someone attempted to commit fraud in a commercial context when Barack Obama's literary agency published that he was born in Kenya. The few known facts seem to provide enough to constitute probable cause to probe whether an unlawful act occurred. Regardless of whether this is probed at law, and depending on what other underlying facts may come to light, there appear to be troubling legal and moral issues involved.

The free market depends on honest quid pro quo. Fraud is generally defined as misrepresenting a material fact to induce another person to part with something of value.

The quid pro quo between private parties to a transaction need not be equal in the eyes of others, or government regulators, but just fair to the parties to the transaction.

It may be of more value to me than to others to acquire what you have or do, so that I may be willing to pay more than the market price. However, if you were to intentionally deceive me about your goods or services to lead me to believe that they have a higher value, you have committed a fraud.

There are mutual incentives for honesty in the free market, because once someone is exposed as dishonest, fewer if any people will transact business with that person. Just as mutual honesty is incentive to play fair in the free market, the free market is an incentive to mutual honesty.

The free market does not always result in honest transactions because people are not perfect. Penalties for fraud developed under the law to punish those who intentionally disrupt the integrity of honest transactions.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthers; hawaii; indonesia; kenya; naturalborncitizen

1 posted on 05/21/2012 1:57:02 AM PDT by Kukai
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To: Kukai

But it would sure be interesting to see his admission records, wouldn’t it?

If he was registered as a foreign student, and thus receiving certain special perks and such, that would definitely cross the line.

Which is why they are locked up tighter than Fort Knox.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 2:11:53 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Kukai

Time for a class action lawsuit.


3 posted on 05/21/2012 2:58:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting that you should mention that - see link below for signing up to Class Action Lawsuits against the DNC filed by Liberty Legal Foundation....

http://libertylegalfoundation.org/


4 posted on 05/21/2012 3:05:42 AM PDT by Kukai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Time for a class action lawsuit."

Past time! ! ! ! ! ! !
Sheriff Joe is our only hope since the LSM never pursued it. . . . . .

5 posted on 05/21/2012 3:07:31 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: DeaconRed

I think at this point...the MAIN thing is NOT to question where Obama was born. Let’s take him at his word that he was born in Hawaii.

Now let’s insist that we look at how he got into Havard and Columbia etc. No doubt he rec’d some type of affirmative action benefit same as Elizabeth Warren.

Let’s insist on seeing the transcripts, course work, application papers etc. This time, unlike the idiot McCAin, we want to know everything.

THe left loves to take advantage of all things so they benefit, then they disallow others to do the same. I saw it in my college days. They had their little clicks.


6 posted on 05/21/2012 3:17:22 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Kukai

So the American People,(DOLTS),Elected to the Presidency Of the United States Of America, A FRaud,Then the Fraud Signs an Excutive Order Sealing all of His Records to Complete the Fraud.The Fraud then appoints another Crook and Fraud to Run The JUSTICE Dept. Appoints another Crook&Slum Lord from Chicago as His Top Advisor,Boy, Only in America


7 posted on 05/21/2012 3:18:30 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Kukai
Untitled
8 posted on 05/21/2012 3:19:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: ctdonath2

Obama: “I was FOR being born in Kenya before I was AGAINST it”.


9 posted on 05/21/2012 3:37:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kukai
"I wasn't born in Kenya, honest.

I just pretended to be, to get into Columbia and Harvard."


10 posted on 05/21/2012 4:27:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kukai
The free market depends on honest quid pro quo. Fraud is generally defined as misrepresenting a material fact to induce another person to part with something of value.

Obama's book jacket is more parallel to Keebler's claim that their cookies are made by elves. Any reasonable person would put no more faith in a statement by Obama than in one from a cartoon elf.

I have no doubt that Obama's lawyers would happily make the three claims in a court case on the bio that (1) the bio was true, (2) even if the bio wasn't true, he didn't write it, and (3) Obama wrote it but believed it to be true at the time. The same lawyers would claim in front of an Impeachment Committee that Obama was (1) a natural born citizen because he was born in Hawaii according to the missing documentation, (2) still eligible for the office he claims to hold, regardless of where he was born, because "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution, and (3) entitled to keep the job regardless of eligibility because the Congress failed to intervene before his alleged swearing in ceremony. The best answer is to remove that usurper through the ballot box in November. The challenge is to make sure that he loses by so much among living voters that the fictional and dead voters can't steal another win for him.

11 posted on 05/21/2012 5:14:57 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

Given your position that the best way to deal with Obama is the ballot box -

Do you think there is a moral hazard to not upholding election, fraud, and forgery laws?

Who gets to decide which laws should be maintained, if there are some that should be ignored?


12 posted on 05/21/2012 5:41:38 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Do you think there is a moral hazard to not upholding election, fraud, and forgery laws? Who gets to decide which laws should be maintained, if there are some that should be ignored?

It's more a case that patriotic Americans would not be able to remove Obama from office prior to next January in any case. The possible fraud in the book bio is a minor legal issue, one that cannot be decided by the courts while Obama is in office and that would not be considered by Dems to rise to the level of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors". Congress is not going to attempt to remove Obama from office without a smoking gun, something a whole lot more convincing than lying under oath with proof in the form of a semen-stained dress, which was still not enough to dump the perjurer-in-Chief. The Obama bio narrative is not that smoking gun. We've seen what happened with removing Clinton from office, where the democrats will close ranks around a fellow criminal to retain power, and we know they would never support Obama's removal if they could get away with backing him. There just isn't enough evidence to remove Obama, and there there is no indication that there will be enough, not in time for it to matter. The problem is access to the evidence, and we can't get that access without proof of what is hidden.

Consider the "Just War" theories. They all include something to the effect that: "A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable." While I don't entirely agree in the case of war, an attempt to remove Obama from office would require a reasonable chance of making America better before it would be worth undertaking. Remember that there is a political cost to making the attempt, and it would be foolish to try if the most likely outcome was making the situation worse - four more years with an anti-American communist in our White House. I would prefer that this election be decided based on the economy and Obama's pathetic performance, rather than based on what the media would report as a "birther" narrative.

13 posted on 05/21/2012 6:05:27 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: All

Consumers who purchased Obama’s book believing that he was Kenyan born should form a class action lawsuit and sue for fraud.


14 posted on 05/21/2012 6:17:33 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Pollster1

So, we should take a poll, and see if we think we can win the case against Obama for election fraud.

Then, if that passes, file for impeachment.

That is just silly.

Prosecutors should not seek public opinion to make a determination on which laws to enforce against whom. Justice dictates that the laws be enforced equally.


15 posted on 05/21/2012 7:20:21 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Consumers who purchased Obama’s book believing that he was Kenyan born should form a class action lawsuit and sue for fraud.

Unfortunate for all purchasers of that book, such a lawsuit itself would be a fraud as Obammy took the advance and never delivered the book. He NEVER wrote it. Apparently he found he suffered from incompetent writer's block. Sad.

16 posted on 05/21/2012 7:21:32 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Unfortunate for all purchasers of that book, such a lawsuit itself would be a fraud as Obammy took the advance and never delivered the book. He NEVER wrote it. Apparently he found he suffered from incompetent writer’s block. Sad.


And the publisher didn’t demand a refund of the advance why?...because it would hurt poor Barry’s self-esteem perhaps?


17 posted on 05/21/2012 7:37:53 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Triple

We have limited resources, and a corrupt Dem party will shield their “leader”. It is useless to prosecute when the chances of success are zero, useless and counterproductive when that prosecution will distract voters from the economy, which is our strongest issue. If the Dems had integrity, I would agree with you, but this is like trying a Klan leader knowing that half the jurors will be Klan members whose votes are already decided regardless of the evidence. There is no point in devoting our time to a doomed prosecution at the cost of paying attention to other issues. The Dems disgust me precisely because they have corrupted the system to the point that we have to make decisions like this.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 7:58:39 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

Silly - now you are comparing Obama to a klan leader? What?

Then claiming that it was/would be a waste of time to prosecute Klan leaders. What!?!

(BTW - just full “discovery” would be sufficient in any court/trial/case to satisfy many people.)

Silliness - and really poor analogies. (good bye)


19 posted on 05/21/2012 8:18:26 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Silly - now you are comparing Obama to a klan leader? What?

I thought I was comparing Obama's followers in the House and Senate to Klan followers on a jury - they have already found the verdict and don't need to listen to evidence.

Then claiming that it was/would be a waste of time to prosecute Klan leaders. What!?!

Local trials for the Klan were in most cases a waste of time - my grandfather prosecuted several and failed every time. That's why the FBI got involved. Unfortunately, we don't have a higher authority other than the voters to remove Obama if Dem Senators won't do their job honestly.

Silliness - and really poor analogies. (good bye)

I guess analogies are like fries, some people like the softer ones and some like crunchy. Sorry mine didn't suit your taste.

20 posted on 05/21/2012 10:25:27 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

I notice you left out a reply to my point that discovery is the key. after full discovery, the public opinion game will likely change dramatically.

Did you notice that Hawaii is currently not complying with the AZ request for confirmation of Obama’s birth records?


21 posted on 05/21/2012 10:31:08 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Pollster1

“Obama’s book jacket is more parallel to Keebler’s claim that their cookies are made by elves”

SO what you are saying is that it all depends on what the meaning of OZ is.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 10:50:41 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Triple
Did you notice that Hawaii is currently not complying with the AZ request for confirmation of Obama’s birth records?

I expect the results to be the same as in the Georgia hearings into Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot. Whether or not Obama's lawyers participate, and whether or not Hawaii complies with the AZ court's requests, nothing will happen. Do you expect the Obama Administration to enforce a request from AZ on this issue if Hawaii does not comply? Does AZ have any direct power to compel HI to comply? The best outlet for our energy is to defeat Obama at the polls and to defeat as many RINOs and then far left Dems as possible in the House and Senate races.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 11:03:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Ronin
I bet we see all his records all scrubbed clean and shiny just like the birth certificate. They have had someone working on this I guarantee it.
24 posted on 05/21/2012 7:12:32 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Pollster1

Yes, I expect our republic to follow its laws. If it does not then we no longer live in the Republic of our founders.

Don’t you expect our government to operate within the laws?


25 posted on 05/22/2012 5:44:37 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Yes, I expect our republic to follow its laws. If it does not then we no longer live in the Republic of our founders. Don’t you expect our government to operate within the laws?

I want our government to operate within the law just as I want the Catholic Church to follow God's laws, but should we really expect that at all times in history? Our leaders are what the voters have chosen, and today's leaders are not even as good as the Popes of the late 1400s and early 1500s. The fact is that our leaders will not follow the law, nor will they enforce the law if that reduces their own personal power. I'm disappointed in our politicians, both for their corruption and for their failure even to be embarrassed by their lack of ethics, but I accept reality as it is. I also hope to see that reality change, to see America once again embrace integrity and morality.

In 1517, Martin Luthor indicted the Church with his 95 Theses, allegedly nailed to the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg, Germany. While that action led to a schism and the formation of the Lutheran Church, I think it was also a major contributor to the Catholic Church's return to a more moral stance. America needs a Martin Luthor, soon, but until he appears I will only expect what experience has shown we should expect. In the case of the Democrats in the House and the Senate, that is a revolting level of partisanship and corruption. They will not enforce the law or the Constitution. We have to deal with that sad reality until we are able to expose it and change it.

26 posted on 05/22/2012 6:49:44 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

You accept lawlessness of our government...Blah blah blah

Until someone *ELSE* holds government accountable...Blah blah blah

You are just one person, after all...Blah Blah Blah

Ok, thank you for your courageous leadership - NOT.


27 posted on 05/22/2012 7:39:45 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Who gets to decide which laws should be maintained, if there are some that should be ignored?

It starts with a plaintiff having standing. If nobody can/will stand up and declare "he did wrong and I was harmed", then the law cannot be challenged. (Hence a lot of the crap laws we live under: nobody wants to push back, lest the court rule to the contrary and it's reinforced.)

28 posted on 05/22/2012 7:47:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Triple
Ok, thank you for your courageous leadership - NOT.

What is your solution, and how do we get from here to there? [Note: If your solution is for Pelosi and Reid to do their jobs, I will not be impressed.]

I am working full time on efforts that I believe will help conservatives to win their primaries against RINOs and efforts that will help conservatives to defeat liberals in the general election. You may not like what pollsters do, but honest polling does help in winning elections. Perhaps that's not courageous leadership, but I am one of the leading followers for several future leaders. What are you doing or advocating that others do that is more helpful than that?

29 posted on 05/22/2012 7:57:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

I am sure you are doing the best you can. Thank you for your effort.


30 posted on 05/22/2012 8:01:12 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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