Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Video showing teen encouraging others to fight was not Trayvon Martin, brother says
The Palm Beach Post News ^ | May 19, 2012

Posted on 05/21/2012 8:14:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

SANFORD — Judging by evidence photos released Thursday in the Trayvon Martin case, it appears Martin got the best of Zimmerman during an altercation between the two prior to Martin’s killing. But Martin’s family's attorney insists Martin was fighting for his life.

WFTV learned Martin was just a feet from the steps of the home where he was staying in Sanford and was on the phone with his girlfriend when he encountered Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman.

Newly obtained video recorded before Martin's death shows the teenager encouraging others to fight. However, Martin's brother said Trayvon is not in the video.

And the Martin family lawyer said the video is just another attack on Martin’s character.

Nearly 200 pages of evidence and audio records revealed only one man actually witnessed the fight between Martin and Zimmerman.

“The one guy on top with the black hoodie was pretty much throwing down blows on the guy, kind of (mixed martial arts) style,” the witness said.

Police reports reveal no one saw what started the fight, but evidence photos show Zimmerman suffered cuts to his head and face.

Investigators believe the confrontation could've been avoided if Zimmerman had waited for police or identified himself as a neighborhood watch captain. And the police representative who helped set up the neighborhood watch said the rules are clear.

“You don't approach them. You don't make contact, no confrontations,” the volunteer coordinator said.

Opposite of what the neighborhood watch volunteers were told, one witness told police Zimmerman was the confrontational type.

“I know George, and I know that he does not like black people,” one witness told police. “He would start something, He's a very confrontational person.”

One of Zimmerman's former co-workers called him a bully, so much that the co-worker said employees threw a party when Zimmerman was fired for bogging down the human resources hotline with too many complaints about other employees and management.

The evidence released so far is also raising the question of whether Zimmerman can claim self-defense, even if he started the confrontation.

The stand your ground law has changed self-defense in Florida to the point that WFTV’s legal analyst said even if George Zimmerman was the initial, physical aggressor, he could make the argument that he became the victim.

If the evidence shows that Zimmerman physically assaulted 17-year-old Trayvon Martin first, legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said there are two scenarios that could help him argue that at some point the unarmed teenager became the aggressor.

The first involves what Sheaffer calls a “reset” of sorts.

Zimmerman told police that at some point he stopped following Martin and started walking back to his car. But even if that's not what happened, even if Zimmerman started a fight with Martin and it continued, Sheaffer said, Zimmerman could still argue under the stand your ground law that he eventually became the victim and was justified in using deadly force to defend himself.

“The defense will argue that those injuries (to Zimmerman), at some point, turned George Zimmerman from the aggressor to the victim in this case,” said Sheaffer.

Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

And Sheaffer said the controversial law gives the one who started the fight two chances to walk: One to ask a judge to throw out the case and if that doesn’t work, the person can ask a jury to let them go free.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
Poor Trayvon. He was just playing a little game of Knockout King.
1 posted on 05/21/2012 8:14:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

If his nose be broke, you must acquit the bloke!


2 posted on 05/21/2012 8:18:03 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Its so easy to get confused. ‘Trayvon’ is such a popular name, you know.


3 posted on 05/21/2012 8:18:21 AM PDT by chopperman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
WFTV learned Martin was just a feet from the steps of the home where he was staying ....

Yeah, like 300 feet.

4 posted on 05/21/2012 8:18:39 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

why do they keep saying zimmerman followed him???? he didnt follow him......he was attacked by trayvon as he, zimmerman was going back to his car....


5 posted on 05/21/2012 8:19:27 AM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

No one is making any noise that the autopsy showed the innocent little waif had Marijuana in his system.


6 posted on 05/21/2012 8:27:31 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

At this point all the info about Trayvon and Zimmerman is interesting, but none of this rises to the level of a cae the nation needs to discuss, it does not tell us much about whites allegedly “hunting down” black people. It’s all just a great big reality show at this point.


7 posted on 05/21/2012 8:27:49 AM PDT by Williams (Nobama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: verga

The reason no one is making any noise that the autopsy shows Marijunana in his system is because it is irrelevent to the case.

There are plenty of drugs that make people aggressive and likely to instigate a fight - drugs like PCP, meth, etc. - but cannabis is not one of them.

Also cannabis stays in the system long after it has stopped effecting the user (up to 30 days). So it is possible that Travyon could have smoked pot a week or two prior to all of this, and it would have absolutely no bearing on the trial.

All that being said - you are responsible for your own actions. If you are drunk and you go start a fight, you are responsible for what happens to you - it’s YOUR fault, not the beer’s fault.


8 posted on 05/21/2012 8:39:33 AM PDT by Ueriah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
"If the evidence shows that Zimmerman physically assaulted 17-year-old Trayvon Martin first..."

Why would they write this just a couple of paragraphs after acknowledging that no such evidence exists? Talk about agenda driving spinning.

9 posted on 05/21/2012 8:42:50 AM PDT by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Palm Beach Post, helping prosecutors lie for over 40 years...


10 posted on 05/21/2012 8:46:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr Ramsbotham

>WFTV learned Martin was just a feet from the steps of the home<

Am unable to locate any such reference from WFTV about this. More media BS


11 posted on 05/21/2012 9:07:27 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: circlecity

” “If the evidence shows that Zimmerman physically assaulted 17-year-old Trayvon Martin first...”

If I had won 100 million in the super lotto..


12 posted on 05/21/2012 9:45:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
However, Martin's brother said Trayvon is not in the video.>

"It wasn't my brother, it was someone else. Besides, everybody knows that ALL blacks look alike to crackers."

13 posted on 05/21/2012 9:45:41 AM PDT by Roccus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ueriah

that make no medical logic.

either way it impairs brain chemestry and the ability to rationalize of the user. It also creates moodswings depending on whatever else in his sysmem. All with no predictability just inivitability. A potheat with no rational mental stability.

It is VERY relavent and only adds another reasonable doubt and just even more to the preponderance of the evidence that this should NEVER reach a jury.


14 posted on 05/21/2012 10:27:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: longtermmemmory

I think you are missing my point; tetrahydracanniboids (THC) stay in the body for up to 30 days longer than it effects your brain chemistry.

Or, to put this in simpler, more familiar terms... it would be like setting up a road block to check for DWIs if the test that they used only showed if you had used alcohol in the past 30 days.

I’m not sure who told you that cannabis causes you to feel “invincible” but that’s just not true.

The facts in this case seem to be open and shut, it looks to be a very clear case of self-defense. The fact that the kid had smoked pot within the past 30 days has absolutely nothing to do with Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman and ending up shot dead.

Had the toxicology report showed meth or PCP, which *do* cause aggression and feelings of invinciblility, I would wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion.


15 posted on 05/21/2012 11:33:01 AM PDT by Ueriah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Newly obtained video recorded before Martin's death shows the teenager encouraging others to fight. However, Martin's brother said Trayvon is not in the video.

Why then, is the video repeatedly removed from YouTube?
It should be easy enough to identy who the person in the video actually is, and lay the matter to rest conclusively.

16 posted on 05/21/2012 1:01:37 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

17 posted on 05/21/2012 2:45:32 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

18 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

19 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

20 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

21 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

22 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be challenged by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sheaffer said the big reason the stand your ground law is so controversial is that people can start fights, get in over their heads, use deadly force and then try to use the law to justify it.

Schaeffer is an idiot.
You don't adopt laws based on the rare and exceptional event.
It is not intended to be applied by habitual repeat criminals, major or minor, but by random and unique victims.

No controversy there.
I doubt there has ever been any case of the same victim repeatedly "standing his ground." If there were, mosts juries would fix that in a hurry!

24 posted on 05/21/2012 2:50:18 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Williams
but none of this rises to the level of a cae the nation needs to discuss, it does not tell us much about whites allegedly “hunting down” black people. It’s all just a great big reality show at this point.

Maybe the MSM should limit all the ignorant speculations to the BET network.

25 posted on 05/21/2012 10:21:23 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ueriah
I’m not sure who told you that cannabis causes you to feel “invincible” but that’s just not true.

You are obviously unaware that the world does not revolve around you. Drugs affect different people differently, and it is not defined by how it has affected YOU.
.
I have heard the opposite from people who acknowledge that their present mental impairments resulted from prolonged marijuana use. Including delusions, paranoia, mood swings etc.

26 posted on 05/21/2012 10:25:55 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Publius6961

I understand completely that the world does not revolve around me, and you are 100% correct that drugs do effect differant people differantly.

I agree with you that a small percentage of people who use cannabis can experiance paranoia and mood swings.

In all of my exposure over the years to people who have used cannabis - which is admittedly a lengthy list - I have never heard anything about a cannabis user feeling “invincible” or getting high to go out and look for a fight.

However, even if I am 100% wrong, and you are 100% right, and 100% of the people who smoke cannabis transform into heartless, merciless thugs who attack people without provocation, it will bear no relevence whatsoever to the trial because of the fact that cannabis stays in your system for so long after it was used.

Any defense attorney worth a salt would be able to say that there was “reasonable doubt” that the THC level in his system was from weeks prior to the altercation and have that finding thrown out.

I mean no disrespect to you, FRiend, but I do disagree with you that the THC in Trayon’s system is relevent in any way to the lad’s sad course of action.


27 posted on 05/22/2012 5:24:03 AM PDT by Ueriah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson