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Police Tell Woman to Pay Son's Bail in Cash, Then Steal it
Reason.com ^ | 5/21/2012 | Matt Welch

Posted on 05/21/2012 8:34:55 AM PDT by heartwood

Here's a Wisconsin story that needs more attention, care of former Reasoner Radley Balko:

On Feb. 29, a judge set [Joel] Greer's bail at $7,500, and his mother called the Brown County jail to see where and how she could get him out. "The police specifically told us to bring cash," Greer says. "Not a cashier's check or a credit card. They said cash."

So Greer and her family visited a series of ATMs, and on March 1, she brought the money to the jail, thinking she'd be taking Joel Greer home. But she left without her money, or her son.

Instead jail officials called in the same Drug Task Force that arrested Greer. A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash, and about a half-hour later, Beverly Greer said, a police officer told her the dog had alerted to the presence of narcotics on the bills -- and that the police department would be confiscating the bail money. [...]

The Greers had been subjected to civil asset forfeiture, a policy that lets police confiscate money and property even if they can only loosely connect them to drug activity. The cash, or revenue from the property seized, often goes back to the coffers of the police department that confiscated it.

The good news: The Greers eventually got their money back. The bad news: This kind of organized police theft of property from people who are not even charged with a crime is common nationwide.

Read all about it in Balko's February 2010 Reason feature, "The Forfeiture Racket: Police and prosecutors won't give up their license to steal."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: assetforfeiture; donutwatch; warondrugs
The incorruptibility of law enforcement matched with the infallible judgment of dogs.

The Supreme Court hasn't heard a civil forfeiture case in more than ten years. I think it's time to revisit the issue.

1 posted on 05/21/2012 8:35:04 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

I bet the only reason they got the money back is because the County clerk didn’t like seeing the cops take his bail money.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

“I bet the only reason they got the money back is because the County clerk didn’t like seeing the cops take his bail money.”

Cops and Counties, a criminal conspiracy!


3 posted on 05/21/2012 8:39:40 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: heartwood
A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash,

Police dogs have to stay away from ATMs and banks lest their noses explode.

About the only currency not contaminated with drug residue is direct from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Once it gets stuck in a wallet or cash drawer it starts picking up enough drug residue to detect.

4 posted on 05/21/2012 8:40:52 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: heartwood
A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash,

Police dogs have to stay away from ATMs and banks lest their noses explode.

About the only currency not contaminated with drug residue is direct from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Once it gets stuck in a wallet or cash drawer it starts picking up enough drug residue to detect.

5 posted on 05/21/2012 8:41:15 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: heartwood
Here's a similar Kafkaesque nightmare for the Caswell's of Tewksbury, Mass
"This town's police department is conniving with the federal government to circumvent Massachusetts law — which is less permissive than federal law — in order to seize his livelihood and retirement assets. In the lawsuit titled "United States of America v. 434 Main Street, Tewksbury, Massachusetts," the government is suing an inanimate object, the motel Caswell's father built in 1955. The U.S. Department of Justice intends to seize it, sell it for perhaps $1.5 million and give up to 80 percent of that to the Tewksbury Police Department, whose budget is just $5.5 million. The Caswells have not been charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime. They are being persecuted by two governments eager to profit from what is antiseptically called the "equitable sharing" of the fruits of civil forfeiture, a process of government enrichment that often is indistinguishable from robbery.

6 posted on 05/21/2012 8:57:10 AM PDT by wtd
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To: heartwood
I was once on a jury for a drug trial. Part of the evidence included the fact that all paper money in circulation in the US is contaminated with measurable amounts of drug residue.
7 posted on 05/21/2012 9:12:45 AM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: heartwood

I suspect this story is BS. First, author Radley Balko claims to be Libertarian, but is really hard core leftist.

Secondly, ATM cards have a daily limit. It’s usually $400 to $600. That is not per dispensing machine. It’s per card.

For them to have gotten $7500, they would have to have had approximately 15 ATM cards, 15 separate bank accounts, each with at least $500 in it,

Doesn’t pass the smell test. If was from machines, they could have shown the receipts.

Bet the “kid” was a drug dealer and the money came from his tainted stash.

Remember, all crooks in prison are innocent. Just ask them.


8 posted on 05/21/2012 9:18:03 AM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: heartwood; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ..

Wisconsin Green Bay Bail Money Confiscation Scam?

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


9 posted on 05/21/2012 9:21:53 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: heartwood

Used to live in Wisconsin and the state police were very corupt. They would ask for cash at a traffic stop and offer the threat of a ticket or jail time if you refused. Creeps.


10 posted on 05/21/2012 9:22:36 AM PDT by trailboss800
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To: circlecity

My suspicion is that the reason she got the money back is that she was able to prove she got it from an atm.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 9:25:17 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: MindBender26
I've taken out thousands with one card.

If it's a good bank, all you have to do is call them and request a temporary raise of your limit. They raise your card limit immediately.

12 posted on 05/21/2012 9:30:29 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: heartwood

According to the article, A) this wasn’t the only time this department has tried this trick. And B) Other departments are telling people to bring bail money in cash, even though that isn’t required. It seems this could be a growing trend if it isn’t stamped out early.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: heartwood
A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash,

Note to self: rub pepper on all bills if I am ever in that situation.

14 posted on 05/21/2012 9:35:34 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: heartwood
Forfeiture Endangers American Rights.
15 posted on 05/21/2012 9:55:16 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MindBender26

“Doesn’t pass the smell test.”

My bullshite meter went right off the scale after just a cursory glance at this reported fairy tale.


16 posted on 05/21/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: heartwood

I suspect this story is BS. First, author Radley Balko claims to be Libertarian, but is really hard core leftist.

Secondly, ATM cards have a daily limit. It’s usually $400 to $600. That is not per dispensing machine. It’s per card.

For them to have gotten $7500, they would have to have had approximately 15 ATM cards, 15 separate bank accounts, each with at least $500 in it,

Doesn’t pass the smell test. If was from machines, they could have shown the receipts.

Bet the “kid” was a drug dealer and the money came from his tainted stash.

Remember, all crooks in prison are innocent. Just ask them.


17 posted on 05/21/2012 10:42:37 AM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: heartwood

Is there a state without a culture of police corruption? Seems like there are no good cops left.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 10:45:01 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: MindBender26; Cyman

It’s not that I take as gospel every story told by people who are arrested or by their families.

The point is that asset forfeiture without trial is unconstitutional; and that the forfeiture laws are inherently corrupting, as they give the law agencies the proceeds of the seizure, in some cases on the word of a dog.

According to another article, forbidden by FR to be linked, the Greer family did have have documentation of the sources of the cash.

Like Alan Dershowitz, Radley Balko may be right twice a day.


19 posted on 05/21/2012 10:47:48 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: MindBender26

That is not necessarily so. I know of one bank that will allow you to take the needed funds out if you have them in your account. It does take a call to the bank to arrange it and there is a window of time during which the transaction must be completed, but it can be done. My son needed cash for a deposit on a rental a few years back and our bank arranged it for him.

That being said, I do not buy the idea that the woman had to hit multiple ATMs unless she did have multiple cards and accounts. There usually is a limit as I have found in the past. The whole thing is a tad shady.


20 posted on 05/21/2012 11:09:15 AM PDT by Marty
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To: KarlInOhio
About the only currency not contaminated with drug residue is direct from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Once it gets stuck in a wallet or cash drawer it starts picking up enough drug residue to detect.

Actually, it gets it at the Federal Reserve bank, while passing through their counting machines. Someone a few years back tested brand new bills direct from an FR bank, and it tested positive.

The U.S. Government is a criminal enterprise.

21 posted on 05/21/2012 11:37:01 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: MindBender26

It must be fake, otherwise we would have seen it in the .....British press.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 11:51:00 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: heartwood

“The incorruptibility of law enforcement matched with the infallible judgment of dogs. “

The dog is okay, it is the cash that had the “scent.” Dog was doing its job very well but you see, according to studies, up to 75% of cash in circulation would cause a drug dog to “hit” on it.

“Drug Dog’s “Alert” to Cash Not Grounds for Forfeiture When Up to 75 percent of Currency Tainted With Drugs.

http://ndsn.org/dec94/dog.html

“The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the government did not have probable cause to seize $30,060 from a motorist based only on a drug-detection dog’s reaction (U.S. v. $30,060 in U.S. Currency, CA9, No. 92-55919, Nov. 8, 1994; 56 CrL 1169; BNA Criminal Practice Manual, Nov. 23, 1994, p. 572; “Drugs Taint Most Currency in Los Angeles,” Washington Post, Nov. 13, 1994, p. A4).

Key to the court’s ruling was a finding that up to 75 percent of all currency in the Los Angeles area is coated with traces of cocaine or other controlled substances.”


23 posted on 05/21/2012 11:51:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: MindBender26
I suspect this story is BS. First, author Radley Balko claims to be Libertarian, but is really hard core leftist.

There is no contradiction there, it is a branch of the left, that goes right on a few issues.

24 posted on 05/21/2012 12:41:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: heartwood

“Instead jail officials called in the same Drug Task Force that arrested Greer. A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers’ cash, and about a half-hour later, Beverly Greer said, a police officer told her the dog had alerted to the presence of narcotics on the bills — and that the police department would be confiscating the bail money. [...] “

The tainting of cash is true of most of the cash Americans carry.

The next victim could be any one of us.

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The term “dirty money” is for real.

In the course of its average 20 months in circulation, U.S. currency gets whisked into ATMs, clutched, touched and traded perhaps thousands of times at coffee shops, convenience stores and newsstands. And every touch to every bill brings specks of dirt, food, germs or even drug residue.

Research presented this weekend reinforced previous findings that 90 percent of paper money circulating in U.S. cities contains traces of cocaine.

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Money can be contaminated with cocaine during drug deals or if a user snorts with a bill. But not all bills are involved in drug use; they can get contaminated inside currency-counting machines at the bank.

“When the machine gets contaminated, it transfers the cocaine to the other bank notes,” Zuo said. These bills have fewer remnants of cocaine. Some of the dollars in his experiment had .006 micrograms, which is several thousands of times smaller than a single grain of sand.

Zuo, who spoke about his research at the national meeting of the American Chemical Society on Sunday, found that $5, $10, $20 and $50 bills were more likely to be positive for cocaine than $1 bills.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-14/health/cocaine.traces.money_1_cocaine-dollar-bills-paper-bills?_s=PM:HEALTH


25 posted on 05/21/2012 10:31:04 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: heartwood

If they play Sheriff of Nottingham, do we get to play Robin Hood?


26 posted on 05/21/2012 10:35:27 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: UnwashedPeasant

There are still good peace officers remaining. Unfortunately, as they die or retire, they are replaced by LEOs.


27 posted on 05/21/2012 10:37:47 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: MindBender26

My card has a 1200 dollar limit on it, and I could probably get that increased if I promised to keep a minimum balance of 5k or so.


28 posted on 05/21/2012 10:41:22 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MindBender26
I suspect this story is BS. First, author Radley Balko claims to be Libertarian, but is really hard core leftist.

Nonsense! He rips lefty hypocrites way more than conservatives. You should read his blog. Everyone should.

29 posted on 05/22/2012 2:39:32 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Altariel
There are still good peace officers remaining. Unfortunately, as they die or retire, they are replaced by LEOs.

No complaints in my rural area. My theory is that, the larger the dept., the more corrupt. With their unions, political clout, etc. they are unaccountable and the bad apples will naturally dominate.

30 posted on 05/22/2012 2:43:32 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
I have interacted with him. In my personal opinion, he is scum who has lied about some of my friends in his columns.

He wrote a false detailed story about a friend that I had to call network to get pulled.

31 posted on 05/22/2012 9:37:05 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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