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Rawles: “It Would Be Impossible To Disarm The People Of This Country”
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-21-2012 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 05/21/2012 10:22:31 AM PDT by blam

Rawles: “It Would Be Impossible To Disarm The People Of This Country”

Mac Slavo
May 21st, 2012

How likely is it that we will actually experience a disaster that brings down our national power grid?

Will the government seize all guns in the United States?

If Continuity of Government response plans are initiated, will they be able to effectively lock down every major city and the country as a whole under a martial law scenario?

Is an economic collapse in our near future?

These and a host of other critical topics are covered in the latest interview from SGT Report with Survival Blog editor James Rawles.

Rawles on Gun Confiscation:

I think it would be impossible to disarm the people of this country. Along with Yemen we’re the most heavily armed society on the planet. It would be absolutely impossible to disarm the citizenry.

There might be an attempt to do it incremently over the course of generations. I think that’s the only way that would happen.

There are so many guns being produced each year – a couple of million guns each year – it’s just mathematically impossible, if not socially impossible, to even envision the logisitics of trying to disarm the American citizenry. It just can’t happen. There’s too many guns in circulation and they’re essentially the final guarantor of our freedom.

The next phase of the financial collapse:

I think that given the financial situation globally – if you look at what’s happening in Italy, Spain, Greece and the most recent election in France – we’re very likely to see a lot of financial turmoil in the coming months.

A lot of it will spill over into American markets. I think there is likely to be another global credit crisis like in 2008, and it could get very, very ugly very quickly.

I think it’s prudent for people to prepare. I think that if you look at it in terms of the clock face approach, we’re probably just minutes from midnight in terms of where we should be in terms of our preparedness.

Rawles on the probability of a grid-down worst-case scenario collapse:

In all of my writings I’ve stressed that the North American power grids – and there’re three of them – are the real lynch pin of our modern technological society.

If the grids go down, all bets are off.

It’s important that people plan for the worst case. The worst case would, of course, be grid down. The chances of that happening are fairly small, but if you’re prepared for the worst case you can take anything lesser in stride.

In terms of the power grid, if they knock that leg out from underneath society they can create a cascade of events that will be completely beyond their control.

Martial law is not going to restore order if the power grid goes down and does not come back up within a few days.

On martial law:

I think the whole rhetoric about martial law tends to be overblown, because the logistics of implementing martial law would be daunting. Even in the United States, where we have a fairly sophisticated military, the numbers just don’t add up for martial law being instituted for more than just a very short period of time.

We have a military that’s primarily deployed overseas right now. The military here in the United States, active and reserve components, don’t even have enough vehicles for training much less live operations. The majority of the rolling stock for the US military right now is in places like Bosnia and Afghanistan.

How do you institute martial law if you can’t even get troops from point A to point B?

Obsessing on martial is probably not productive, but we do need to be on guard to guard our liberty, and we do need to speak up when there are abuses of our Constitutional Rights, especially the first amendment.

SGT Report with James Wesley Rawles (Part 1 of 2):
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SGT Report with James Wesley Rawles (Part 2 of 2):
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KEYWORDS: banglist; collapse; economy; gunconfiscation; martiallaw; preppers; recession; undertheradar; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Iron Munro

I have long thought that it is not the actual physical disarming of the population that would be our undoing.

It is the brainwashing of younger generations and the erosion of independant spirit and plain old guts that is the greater danger.

We can already see the great success liberals have had in creating a dependant, compliant, mostly urban culture who think it is extreme to own guns and to expect government to honor the Constitution and govern within its bounds.


A good point, but these are also the same people who play Grand Theft Auto, Medal of Honor, etc. In other words Gamers who have been subtly programmed to use hand held weapons in a very efficient and conscious free manner.

They also are primed to resist authority and although they wouldn’t be acting out of patriotism their actions might just have the same effect.


51 posted on 05/21/2012 3:48:26 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: TigerClaws

“Look up what happened in New Orleans after Katrina.”

Confiscations stopped quick when non compliant police agencies made clear what would happen if they continued.

Notice too that short of one little old lady, nobody who didn’t give ‘em up lost ‘em. Those who made clear it would be “bullets first” remained armed.


52 posted on 05/21/2012 3:49:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: elcid1970

Yep reminds me of the old Yakoff Smirnoff joke. “Americans see the KGB as the government we see them as our neighbors”


53 posted on 05/21/2012 3:55:34 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: blam

Maybe foreign troops would be willing to lend a helping hand.


54 posted on 05/21/2012 4:03:47 PM PDT by isom35
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To: null and void

Lovely....
Well, at least they’re nice and visible... (hee)


55 posted on 05/21/2012 4:07:35 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: TigerClaws
Get back to me when Detroit goes a weekend without a gun murder.

/johnny

56 posted on 05/21/2012 4:32:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Borax Queen

Oh for $&^#%^$#%....

Those were CHICAGO POLICE!!!!

Powder blue (especially accompanied by a “checkerboard” hatband) has been the “official” color of the Chicago PD since the early 1960s. Just look at pictures of older Chicago cop cars (i.e. Blues Brothers, Hill Street Blues, etc..) Heck, look at old footage of the riots of ‘68!

Foreign troops on Chicago’s streets would not have gone unnoticed or gone over well with the locals. (And I suspect many foreign troops would have been scared stiff of the prospect!)


57 posted on 05/21/2012 4:58:03 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Jay Redhawk

Then have a couple, three “throwdown” guns and some ammo to sacrifice. The quality of “search” will either not be that great or will decline over time, as the total area to cover will invariably be less than the number of people able to do the job.


58 posted on 05/21/2012 5:02:12 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Copenhagen Smile

The military has been training to do it. They don’t go house to house to disarm people. They go house to house looking for terrorists, weapons dealers, or other “bad” people. Part of the process is to collect weapons.


59 posted on 05/21/2012 5:05:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

“But if they realize that it is part of a diabolical master plan, if they are handed a map of an entire county and told to ignore paperwork, ignore permits, ignore the constitution on a national scale, I think a lot of them would rebel. “

Sure, which is why they won’t be told to do that. They’ll be told to do it in increments or because its an emergency.

They’ve normalized many behaviors which were completely unacceptable not too long ago. As long as they have power they will work towards their goal.


60 posted on 05/21/2012 5:09:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ctdonath2

“Those who made clear it would be “bullets first” remained armed.”

I remember stories of at least one guy in a boat being disarmed at gun point.


61 posted on 05/21/2012 5:12:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The Working Man
these are also the same people who play Grand Theft Auto, Medal of Honor, etc. In other words Gamers who have been subtly programmed to use hand held weapons in a very efficient and conscious free manner.

True enough.

But many (most?) of us learned our skills out of doors and often with the target firing back.

In years to come I am guessing two of the main threats to the republic would be:

The sheeple that support politicians like Obama and his anti-constitutional regime.

A military that eventually becomes another welfare program and is staffed heavily with Affirmative Action types.


62 posted on 05/21/2012 5:13:15 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If you want total security, go to prison. The only thing lacking is freedom - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: M1903A1

Really civilized of you to curse at me. Have a nice life.


63 posted on 05/21/2012 5:21:27 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

Then scratch out the “Oh fer $^#$%#” etc. and replace with “Oh fer cryin’ out loud”.


64 posted on 05/21/2012 5:30:42 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Iron Munro

In years to come I am guessing two of the main threats to the republic would be:

The sheeple that support politicians like Obama and his anti-constitutional regime.

A military that eventually becomes another welfare program and is staffed heavily with Affirmative Action types.


Yes indeed, I also think that a sub-rosa paramilitary police will be a major threat. How they would operate would be to cause a major act of terrorism and then show up as the very people who are there to investigate and protect the citizens.

A very devastating type of disinformation and cognitive dissonance among the population.


65 posted on 05/21/2012 5:33:38 PM PDT by The Working Man
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bttt


66 posted on 05/21/2012 5:57:53 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: driftdiver

As I differentiated: he gave it up.

There were bodyguards who didn’t, even at gunpoint. They were not disarmed.


67 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: null and void

Have you heard about the Russian troops training in Denver?


68 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:33 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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69 posted on 05/21/2012 6:01:57 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: driftdiver

To some, “from my cold dead hands” isn’t just trash talk.


70 posted on 05/21/2012 6:05:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

“Hey I play the bagpipes (badly!)”

Is there any other way?


71 posted on 05/21/2012 6:18:15 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: ctdonath2

Yep that would have worked so well.


72 posted on 05/21/2012 6:27:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ctdonath2

” To some, “from my cold dead hands” isn’t just trash talk. “

‘Your proposal - is acceptable..’

(”The Bug” - “Men in Black”)


73 posted on 05/21/2012 6:32:45 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: driftdiver

It did.


74 posted on 05/21/2012 6:47:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: The Working Man
A good point, but these are also the same people who play Grand Theft Auto, Medal of Honor, etc. In other words Gamers who have been subtly programmed to use hand held weapons in a very efficient and conscious free manner.

Good God, if you want to see something that will make you wet your pants, check out some of the YouTube videos of these Airsoft kids.

I've seen videos of 14 year old girls shoot like it's hardwired into their DNA.

A little weapons familiarization and these kids would be able to go head to head with any combat unit in the world.

75 posted on 05/21/2012 6:57:30 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger

I’ve seen videos of 14 year old girls shoot like it’s hardwired into their DNA.

A little weapons familiarization and these kids would be able to go head to head with any combat unit in the world.


And just think, at that age there is little to no self-realization that death to themselves is possible. In other words the “I’m immortal” syndrome.

Now I must admit when I used to play paintball that I managed to instill that quality into my own kids when they foolishly challenged me by playing on the opposite side.

Ah yes, age and treachery won out over youth and enthusiasm more than one time.


76 posted on 05/21/2012 7:09:00 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Monitor

And there are a LOT of us, on that last.


77 posted on 05/21/2012 7:10:09 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Borax Queen

Denver and Nawth JawJaw...


78 posted on 05/21/2012 7:26:34 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: blam

With all due respect to Mr. Rawles, how many other things have happened in the past 3-4 years that we said could never happen? With the MSM firmly on the side of the progressives/socialists, a massive PR campaign could be launched that would put the anti-tobacco campaign to shame and it would be neighbor turning against neighbor, all in the name of being a “good citizen.”

Remember those speed cameras that were all the rage in Phoenix a while back? People who were simply EMPLOYEES of the camera company were more than willing to threaten and intimidate motorists in spite of not having any authority to do so. There are plenty of people just like that who would gladly snitch on their family members or relatives for...oh....I don’t know. A tax break from the IRS, maybe? (Don’t forget who just hired thousands of new IRS agents and the hundreds of shotguns that were purchased by the IRS.)


79 posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:00 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: Borax Queen
Have you heard about the Russian troops training in Denver?

Meh. I met a Lithuanian with six foot legs once (or so she claimed), while I was in Michigan........on line.......I can prove it.......

80 posted on 05/21/2012 7:35:48 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Lakeshark

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, these Ruskis are straight out of “Red Dawn”.... Sharky better be scared :0) The Denver airport is rumored to have underground tunnels that go all the way to Michigan.............


81 posted on 05/21/2012 7:57:27 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Molon Labbie

Sorry, it doesn’t matter if it was one agency or not. Or, if they all agreed on it. It happened, and many of those who had their guns taken, still don’t have them back.


82 posted on 05/21/2012 7:59:07 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Borax Queen
Sorry, those tunnels end in Chicago. Axelrod wanted a way out of town when Bambi loses.

We're safe, we has boat to bring us (and that hot Lith with her big guns) to Canada..........

:p

83 posted on 05/21/2012 8:04:49 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Lakeshark

Darn tunnels!!! And goody about the boat, that is my Plan C (if I can make it through the hordes of zombie apocalypse-types in/near Chicago and Detroit...


84 posted on 05/21/2012 8:19:26 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
The trick is to leave early and travel the northern route........look inconspicuous in that Priuss........wear liberal camouflage......


85 posted on 05/21/2012 8:23:37 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Lakeshark

Ha!
Bike rack on car .... check
Birkenstocks on feet... check
Peace and “coexist” bumper stickers ready to be glued on... check

:0)


86 posted on 05/21/2012 8:25:51 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: The Working Man
Yes indeed, I also think that a sub-rosa paramilitary police will be a major threat. How they would operate would be to cause a major act of terrorism and then show up as the very people who are there to investigate and protect the citizens.

A further development of the "Fast and Furious" mentality is almost a certainty.
Once a force is trained and equipped they will find a way to use their skills and equipment. If an enemy isn't forthcoming they will manufacture one.

The militarization of local and state police forces is also a disturbing delelopment. And of course, every federal agency now has to have its own quasi-military SWAT force.


87 posted on 05/21/2012 8:32:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If you want total security, go to prison. The only thing lacking is freedom - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Borax Queen
Tie-dye t-shirt - check
Librarian badge - check
Tickets to DNC meetings - check
Bambi songs on Ipod - check

There must be a prepper list for this kind of thing.....

:-)

88 posted on 05/21/2012 8:34:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Lakeshark

There must be some list, FOTFLOL!
We must remember to not comb hair, shave, or take a bath for a few days or weeks....


89 posted on 05/21/2012 8:52:45 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
"Liberal look alike prepping for dummies"

We'll do a joint authorship........

90 posted on 05/21/2012 8:55:37 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: M1903A1
I might consider having some equipment stashed in several different areas. It is important for them not to know what you have so that they don't know what to look for. My main point, however, is that the tyrants directing the seizure will not at first risk police confrontation. Instead they will use our friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens to do their dirty work. Once we pass through that stage there will be many fewer armed citizens, and then the police will be sent out to isolate or go after those who are still holding out. Tyrants like Obama and company love to turn citizens against one another. They seem to get some sort of sick and twisted pleasure out of it.
91 posted on 05/21/2012 9:00:39 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: Shadowstrike
Critical point: save for one little old lady, they weren't taken, they were handed over. Those adhering to FMCDH kept them.
92 posted on 05/22/2012 8:32:38 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: marktwain
Here is one of the references to troops refusing to confiscate guns during Katrina:

FYI, when I clicked the link, a stupid Myspace ad popped up after the page had loaded.

93 posted on 05/22/2012 8:46:01 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
Hey I play the bagpipes (badly!)

Likely not as badly as I do. I need a lot more time with a practice chanter, but I've been using it picking my banjo chops back up instead.

94 posted on 05/22/2012 1:53:44 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: elcid1970
Government forces using informers to sow fear and distrust and therefore disunity amongst the citizenry, employ a weapon just as powerful as battalions of jackboots kicking in doors.

That technique is already utilized by cops. I don't know how many times I've gone to jury duty and the prosecutor asks if anyone has problems with snitches.

95 posted on 05/22/2012 2:58:23 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: Monitor
The short answer is, the number of large-game license hunters in America exceeds the military personnel of all the countries of the world combined, sans China.

Big game hunters typically do not have Apache helicopters, tanks, missiles, or ground attack fighters.

96 posted on 05/22/2012 3:05:34 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: Borax Queen; null and void; Lakeshark

A source I consider reputable sent me an email a few days ago, but for which I do not have a link:

Russian paratroopers will meet up with American forces May 24-31 for military exercise at Colorado’s Fort Carson.

· The purpose of the joint training is to practice airborne tactics and anti-terror operations, such as dropping into a hostile area and conducting a “terrorist camp raid.”

· They will use US weaponry and equipment.

· This comes at a time when Russia has troops working in cooperation with China where a joint naval drill in the Yellow Sea is currently underway.

· With 25 vessels and 13 aircraft, it is reportedly one of the largest Russian-China drills in recent history.

Just did a google:
Here is a link from a not-so-great source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/us-russian-soldiers-train_n_1525502.html

and a better source:
http://www.kktv.com/news/military/headlines/US_Russian_Soldiers_Train_Together_At_Fort_Carson_151918645.html


97 posted on 05/22/2012 6:21:43 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: TEXOKIE; null and void; Lakeshark

Oh... it’s only 22? I had heard thousands (up to 120K!). We can take ‘em, Red Dawn Part II. :0)

I was looking for links about this the other day too, and went down the rabbit hole into the “One World Airport Authority” plaque in the Denver airport... Apparently no such agency exists.


98 posted on 05/22/2012 6:28:13 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
I had heard thousands (up to 120K!).

We have that many readers for our prepper book?

Awesome......

We could set up a store selling the necessary camo stuff.

99 posted on 05/22/2012 7:59:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Molon Labbie
That was one agency, and not representative of all agencies or police officers.

That wasn't even an agency. Many NOPD's quit. Many mercenaries moved in. The attitude of many of the citizens was "Do you think they came all that way NOT to shoot somebody?"

100 posted on 05/23/2012 9:54:20 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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