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Stoll: Right To Leave U.S. Could Be Trumped by 30% Tax
Newsmax ^ | Monday, May 21, 2012 09:35 PM | By: Ira Stoll

Posted on 05/22/2012 6:50:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Call it the return of the Reichsfluchtsteuer.

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“I think Schumer can probably find the legislation to do this. It existed in Germany in the 1930s and Rhodesia in the ‘70s and in South Africa as well,” Norquist said. “He probably just plagiarized it and translated it from the original German.”

The Reichsfluchsteuer, or Reich flight tax, that German government imposed on Jews trying to flee in the 1930s was 25 percent; Schumer and his Senate colleague Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, want 30 percent. Give Schumer some credit for creativity.

According to Norquist, the New Yorker did not just plagiarize and translate. He also raised the rate. ....

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To: ctdonath2

It doesn’t have to stop at individuals either, wait till they propose it for corporations as well. I remember a few years ago Microsoft was threatening to pack it all up and move to Vancouver.


101 posted on 05/22/2012 8:35:43 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Doe Eyes
Yeah. Same for those that leave California for a lower tax state like Texas. Charge them a 30% tax. That'll show em.

That was my first thought. Not a large leap 'til they tell you where you can & cannot live.

102 posted on 05/22/2012 8:49:03 AM PDT by mykroar (Romney: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Shows daily.)
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To: Lazamataz

The Reichsfluchsteuer, or Reich flight tax, that German government imposed on Jews trying to flee in the 1930s was 25 percent; Schumer and his Senate colleague Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, want 30 percent.


amazing how history repeats itself, huh?


103 posted on 05/22/2012 8:51:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Lazamataz

I am literally in shock that there are FReepers going along with this! Like the final act of Atlas Shrugged when they finally break down and torture John Galt demanding that he produce! This is unbelievable. It CAN happen here. It IS happening here!


104 posted on 05/22/2012 9:18:01 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
This will hurt trade to no end.

A typical outcome of Communism. Ending freedom of anything is their ultimate goal to enslave populations.

None of the Communist-wanna-bes can possibly answer the question: can you give one example of where Communism succeeded?

105 posted on 05/22/2012 9:21:56 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: montanajoe

I don’t know how your position differs from slavery. Maybe it’s slavery with an American flag on your lapel but it is slavery nonetheless.


106 posted on 05/22/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: montanajoe

The America you and I are proud of would never pass such laws.

It is time to starve the beast. The founding premise of America is that the individual is superior to the State.

Change that and you no longer have an America.


107 posted on 05/22/2012 9:37:06 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: montanajoe

This is no longer the America we grew up with.


108 posted on 05/22/2012 9:42:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: montanajoe

Traitors renounced their citizenship and left Germany.


109 posted on 05/22/2012 9:56:42 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: montanajoe
Cant feel much sympathy if the get clipped by a 30% tax on the way out..

If you approve of this sort of tax, you pretty much acknowledge that all of your property belongs to the government, and you just possess it until they decide to take it.

Don't get me wrong. I think Saverin has exposed himself as a man without a moral foundation. Who aspires to US citizenship and then renounces it? Eduardo Saverin, apparently. He's an international douche.

110 posted on 05/22/2012 10:08:57 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: montanajoe

“I will never renounce nor consider renouncing my American citizenship.”

I agree with the sentiment of your statement, but this is not the America of my Grandfather, my father, or my youth.
I voluntarily fought in VN against the very idea that if you want to leave your country of birth you had to give the govt. your money, property, and sometimes your life.


111 posted on 05/22/2012 10:16:26 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Lazamataz
"I'm expecting we will finally get that wall along the mexican border -- only pointing at US. "

Over 100 posts and no one has pointed out the we have a Republican Candidate running for nomination for President that warned us not too long ago that that wall could, and likely would, be used that way.

Miss him yet?

Perhaps in a few years after Romney throws the race to the Oba-Führer.




(Too bad Ron Paul is the only candidate we have, making such points.)

112 posted on 05/22/2012 10:18:40 AM PDT by EasySt (Life is precious. Live it well.)
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To: Lazamataz

How about taxing the illegal aliens that enter the us before we start penalizing lawful acts by our own citizens? By the way these idiots dont know there already is an exit tax since 2008? And don’t forget Barbara Boxers bill rider to suspend passports if you owe IRS over a 50k...

http://www.isla-offshore.com/second-passport/usa-expats-exit-tax/

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/04/04/owe-the-irs-bill-would-suspend-passport-travel-rights-for-delinquent-taxpayers/


113 posted on 05/22/2012 10:20:24 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Lazamataz

Remember everyone mocked Ron Paul in the debate for saying he was against a border wall since it would be used to keep us in?

Looks like he was right, AGAIN!


114 posted on 05/22/2012 10:21:29 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: melancholy

” None of the Communist-wanna-bes can possibly answer the question: can you give one example of where Communism succeeded? “

They just want to be dictators. I doubt they believe communism works.


115 posted on 05/22/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: txrefugee
There is no draft. Our military is a voluntary job. No one is forced to enlist or re-enlist.

So if the military is all voluntary, then patriotism is dead. Good to know.

116 posted on 05/22/2012 10:27:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: montanajoe

“Traitors renounce their citizenship and leave the USA..”

Good one Joe, America was founded by “traitors” who renounced their citizenship and left England.


117 posted on 05/22/2012 10:29:59 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: OldNavyVet

Thou shalt not covet

(to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another’s property.)

(Synonyms - aspire to, begrudge, choose, crave, desiderate, envy, fancy, hanker for, have eye on, have hots for, itch for, long for, lust after, spoil for, thirst for, want, wish for, yearn for, yen for)

Thou shalt not covet (or envy).


118 posted on 05/22/2012 10:52:48 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: sickoflibs

Boehner is by far the worst we have. He appears to be on Obama’s side.


119 posted on 05/22/2012 10:55:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: montanajoe

When I was a young man conservatives despised Americans who renounced their citizenship, and wished them all kinds of ill fortune.

Lennon wins—”Imagine there’s no countries, It isn’t hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion too”


120 posted on 05/22/2012 11:26:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: ansel12

When you were a young man you probably weren’t living in a fledgling socialist state with an out of control government bleeding everything that moves dry either. The facebook guy who sparked this controversy by renouncing his citizenship simply “went Galt” ... on steroids.


121 posted on 05/22/2012 11:35:36 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

The guy is scum, he should be forbidden to ever come here again.


122 posted on 05/22/2012 12:05:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: philetus; Lazamataz; montanajoe
...nothing but contempt for those that renounce their citizenship

Lots of my clients, Jews, are alive because their parents and grandparents saw the writing on the wall in Europe in the 1930s and came to America.

Second....when the government begins systematically violating your rights, you no longer have an obligation to it.

Ask yourself this: If you were George Zimmerman, would you want to live in a country that tolerates a death bounty on you? Sends the entire .gov apparatus after you because of a flawed, racially-motivated, social/political ideology? I wouldn't.......

There are certain triggers that would cause me and my family to leave the United States, but we are not there yet....but Senator Schumer is bringing us one step closer to the balloon going up.

Being a prudent citizen, and a father/husband, I will do anything to protect my family from harm, even leaving my homeland. I would rather fight for it first, with blood if necessary, but ALWAYS have the capabililty to flee a danger zone....with a passport and a "inch bag" (I'm never coming home) bag in case it gets REAL BAD.

Trust me....and just look at history, you DO NOT EVER, EVER want to become a asset-less, non-protected refugee, that is being hunted or persecuted by a government entity, ever.

123 posted on 05/22/2012 12:26:17 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (In the post-Zimmerman world, it may become prudent to carry a drop weapon if you CCW.)
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To: DCBryan1
If we swallow diamonds, they won't find them at the transit camps. We'll be okay.
124 posted on 05/22/2012 12:38:33 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: houeto
Envy is THE reason that the Jews gave up Christ for crucifixion.

One might consider that position as a mamufactured slur against Jews.

125 posted on 05/22/2012 1:16:22 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
One might consider that position as a mamufactured slur against Jews.

Heck, I didn't say it Vet, the Bible did...twice!

126 posted on 05/22/2012 1:30:03 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lazamataz

This post sure got some sad comments. Quite a few statists here...more than I thought.


127 posted on 05/22/2012 1:55:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: philetus

The country needs folks who will fight for it, just as we did back in the day, we are at war and at this point I have little confidence we will ultimately win.

If folks are too chicken sh*t to stay fight for the country as US citizens but will renounce their citizenship and will turn tail and run I have no use for them.

The enemies of America are on the left and on on the right its a sad fact that Americans should never forget.


128 posted on 05/22/2012 2:01:49 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Inwoodian

“I don’t know how your position differs from slavery”

Apparently you know nothing about slavery.


129 posted on 05/22/2012 2:03:58 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: DCBryan1
I have nothing against being a prudent citizen and having other options including living in another country. I actually think having Americans scattered throughout the world is a good idea should the time come on a global scale folks need to pick up the pieces and start over. I'd like traditional American values to be the starting point.

But folks who would renounce their American citizenship are nothing more than illegal aliens at that point and deserve none of the protections they formally had as American citizens.

130 posted on 05/22/2012 2:22:38 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: philetus

damed right too. Git out before they kill you.


131 posted on 05/22/2012 7:45:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: melancholy
can you give one example of where Communism succeeded?

American colleges and universities.

132 posted on 05/22/2012 9:43:37 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: SpaceBar; central_va; Lazamataz; Wolfie
I noted that one of the first things fascist states do when consolidating power is pass laws to prevent the expatriation of wealth.

You seem to be the only one that gets it.

This is nothing about Facebook. It's all about its being a necessary first step to where the Administration wants to go next: confiscation of all private savings into Social Security in exchange for what amounts to an IOU.

It's about taking the IRA's, guys.

133 posted on 05/22/2012 10:40:51 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: stockpirate
They are a bunch of fascists.

I say again, they've got something up their sleeve. Argentina confiscated private savings accounts in 2008; these guys have got to be looking at that, and Boehner's making all the wrong noises!

We need a new speaker pronto.

134 posted on 05/22/2012 10:45:26 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: muawiyah
However, dodging the draft meant some other guy had to take your place in line. Eventually we have to round up the draft dodgers and give them another place in line ~ then........

That's an old gimmick that is the cornerstone of totalitarianism; it was already old when Diocletian borrowed the idea from the temple priests of Egypt in 305AD, and made it the new governing idea of the Empire.

It turned the Western Empire, where people still had the impulse for freedom, into a cashless desert, where every coin went into the ground, either into land or into hidden caches. The East became an empire of slaves, and Diocletian's government prepared them for the Turks.

The trick is, the ruler strikes a pose: "I am going to get my impost/labor-levy/crop-share no matter what happens. The only question is, am I going to get it from these guys, or am I going to get it from you, you, and you?"

Knowing who everyone is, and where they live, and how much they have -- in other words, total awareness of the ruled -- is the enabling knowledge, and force the enabling motivator. Turning the victims against one another with the cross-assignment of responsibility guarantees that the whole scheme will work.

135 posted on 05/22/2012 10:53:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: montanajoe; Inwoodian
Apparently you know nothing about slavery.

Oh, yeah? Who granted you your Ph.D.? The government of Albania?

136 posted on 05/22/2012 11:03:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: muawiyah
damed right too. Git out before they kill you.

Remember Bill Ayers never repudiated his 25,000,000 remark. And Obozo has never repudiated him>.

137 posted on 05/22/2012 11:05:16 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Oh, yeah? Who granted you your Ph.D.?”

Same folks that gave you a brain..


138 posted on 05/22/2012 11:24:08 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
Liar. My parents never granted a degree in their lives.
139 posted on 05/23/2012 2:08:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: mo
From your first link:

>>On April 7, 2011, Peter Dunn raised his right hand before a U.S. consular officer in Toronto and swore that he understood the consequences of giving up his U.S. citizenship. Dunn, a dual U.S.-Canadian citizen who has lived outside the United States since 1986, says he renounced because he felt American citizenship had become more of a liability than a privilege.<<

IIRC, it was Edward Gibbon who noted that for centuries, republican Roman citizenship was jewel of incomprehensible value. Fast forward to the late empire, and it was burden best cast off. When the whole rotting thing came crashing down, few loved it enough to cry.

140 posted on 05/23/2012 3:14:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Boehner certainly Made the wrong noise. Get rid of him


141 posted on 05/23/2012 6:30:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lentulusgracchus

I was thinking of something a bit more private. No need to cut the government in on the fun part.


142 posted on 05/23/2012 6:33:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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