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Washington, D.C., becoming a 'Mormon stronghold'
Deseret News ^ | May 16, 2012 | Joseph Walker

Posted on 05/22/2012 8:47:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The stunning expansion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Washington, D.C., area is profiled in a long, interesting and meticulously accurate CNN story that suggests "the nation's capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment."

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"It's hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints," Gilgoff writes, "while it's easy to do the same for other faiths." He cites as an example a recent White House "compromise" on contraception funding, which he says was "mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops."

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


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To: Colofornian

No hate crazed pig like you can preach anything! You are like a shyster lawyer and the law.


251 posted on 05/25/2012 10:08:33 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: greyfoxx39
So, it's fine with you that every day 52,000 mormon missionaries are knocking on doors and telling people that unless they join the mormon church THEY are going to be placed in a low "mormon kingdom" and kept from the presence of God?

So do you think they should NOT be allowed to do that?

252 posted on 05/25/2012 10:11:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Anti-Bubba182
So, because, you won't answer the Q I asked you: Are you a prophet and upon what authority do you preach that Ann Romney can't wind up in hell, you resort to personal attacks -- "hate crazed pig." "shyster lawyer" "Psychotic."

Is this the way you treat ALL strangers? (Or just me?)

If I was to come to your door, would your mouth go off like firecrackers there, too?

253 posted on 05/25/2012 10:12:45 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: dirtboy

Hum?
So, shunning is not a way to manipulate people against their freedom - ok.
Do you do your mind reading tricks at fairs or just birthday parties? Seems like it could be a good part time job.


254 posted on 05/25/2012 10:14:13 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian
You wanna limit the time frame? Then I'll limit geographical boundaries: Please show me a Muslim, in the United States of America, threatening ANYBODY that they have to convert to Islam or die. (Name them)

Islamists are already fighting the freedom to criticize their prophet in this country. They are fighting efforts to block the use of Sharia Law in this country. Do you HONESTLY think that if they assumed power in this country, that they would NOT try to force conversion to Islam?

If so, you are more deliberately ignorant of Islam than I thought possible. You have staked an absurd position and will engage in all kinds of idiotic twisting to avoid confronting your own contradictions. I notice you didn't answer a basic question from another poster, so I'll ask it again - where would YOU rather live, Salt Lake City or Cairo?

255 posted on 05/25/2012 10:17:13 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Colofornian

Nobody on this forum, or in my long recollection of this forum, posts more Anti Mormon material, or goes to greater lengths to tie it in to anything they can. Hate crazed is fair!


256 posted on 05/25/2012 10:18:43 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: dirtboy
We find it hilarious that you mormonism defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers in light of 52,000 mormon missionaries spreading their propaganda.

Your straw man post is ludricous since it appears you don't want US to have the right to state OUR experiences and beliefs.

FAIL!

257 posted on 05/25/2012 10:19:16 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: svcw
So, shunning is not a way to manipulate people against their freedom - ok.

No one is being kept in the LDS faith at the point of a gun, and lots of religious groups shun members who stray. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL whether they choose to let shunning affect their FREE CHOICE in this country to change their religion.

Folks in Muslim countries don't have that kind of freedom from fear of persecution or death.

258 posted on 05/25/2012 10:20:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Anti-Bubba182

For your enlightenment, the material postings exposing mormonism come from their (lds) writings, their history, their videos.......how just is that anti-mormonism?


259 posted on 05/25/2012 10:22:41 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39
We find it hilarious that you mormonism defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers in light of 52,000 mormon missionaries spreading their propaganda.

Mormonism defender? I am nothing of the sort. I'll ask the question again - do you think those 52,000 Mormon missionaries should not be allowed to proselytize door-to-door?

Your straw man post is ludricous since it appears you don't want US to have the right to state OUR experiences and beliefs.

I am challenging some of the positions being taken on this thread by you and your co-horts. The folks I see avoiding simple, direct questions are on your side.

260 posted on 05/25/2012 10:23:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ejonesie22
I cannot understand for the life of me why Christians will try and call out those exposing the Mormon faith for what it is, why these folks at least don't stand aside if they don't have the stomach to stand for the faith.

Try as I might, I can't resist posting my thoughts on this topic which will probably subject me to criticism from each side. First, I have previously sporadically participated in so-called 'anti-Mormon' threads to ridicule MormonISM defenders, when they were here and feeling proud (resty & PD come to mind). But I have ceased that for some time. Your comment made me contemplate 'taking sides'. I think I understand primary motivations for each side. Allow me to expand on my definition of the remaining 'sides'.

I would suggest that nearly all FR posts defending MormonISM are gone, which I would attribute to the strength of what I'll call the FR Mormon Truth Squad (FMTS). The motivation is very personal, a calling if you will, as many FMTSer's are ex-mormon and know the heresy and falsehood's firsthand. Others saw the strength of Mormon defenders here circa 2007/2008, and their negative impact on that GOP primary, and rose to combat that too.

The remaining 'other' side at FR is personal too, but not to defend MormonISM. It is to defend a real person, an individual they know as a good person who is currently in the Mormon faith. [Although I will never understand how MormonISM, founded by a polygamist pedophile con man, still thrives, there are good conservative people in this 'faith' with a very bizarre (kind word) belief system (remember, even many of our FMTSer's once were mormons).] Therefore, they see the posting of truths about MormonISM, over and over with exaggerated hyperbole, as an unfair attack on their friend.

Your posts always refrain from hyperbole or immaturity. You think seriously about things and I agree with you that Christians should at least stand aside if they don't have the stomach ....

However, presuming that the Christian objective of the FMTS is to 'save' Mormon souls [there is no other reason to boldly proclaim the Gospel truth to others is there?], they might try a little different strategy, eh? I'm reminded of a couple of passages from the Bible ....

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. ... I Corinthians 13:1.

... but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ ... Ephesians 4:15

261 posted on 05/25/2012 10:25:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: dirtboy

I like to thank you for this post, it is now apparent that you have know idea what mormonism shunning is and how it can destroy a person, their families and their life.
At least now I can surmise where you are coming from with regards to mormonism.


262 posted on 05/25/2012 10:26:20 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dragonblustar
Ooooh, sorry. Wrong answer, but then you're a tad late to the party.

The point of condemning "mormonism" and ridiculing its tenants, is to disqualify its most famous member, Mitt Romney, from the presidency.

Proclaiming Mr. Romney ineligible by virtue of his membership in the offending religion, voters have no choice but to cast their all-important vote for Virgil Goode of the liliputianous Constitution Party.

Follow the daily (hourly) threads exposing the evil transgressions of Donny and Marie's religion here on FR...you know what stinkers the Osmonds are!

263 posted on 05/25/2012 10:29:22 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: svcw
I like to thank you for this post, it is now apparent that you have know idea what mormonism shunning is and how it can destroy a person, their families and their life.

At least now I can surmise where you are coming from with regards to mormonism.

Once again, a shunned individual can leave the faith without fear of being shot at. My former father-in-law was shunned and threatened regularly with death for his conversion to Christianity. He and his wife gave up wealth and standing to come to this country to be free to worship and raise their children as they saw fit.

So you have a hard time selling me that shunning is in any way comparable to a threat of death, since I have known very brave people who were willing to die for their faith.

264 posted on 05/25/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ReformationFan
Grow up and quit whining. Everyone in the forum knows these Mormon threads have nothing to do with anti-Mormonism. They are, and have been for years, anti-Romney and pro-Virgil Goode threads.

None of you trolls are fooling anyone...with one possible exception.

265 posted on 05/25/2012 10:35:19 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The remaining 'other' side at FR is personal too, but not to defend MormonISM.

I have an even more basic issue. A poster on this thread has staked the position that Mormonism is a graver threat than Islam. Having married into a family of Christian converts that fled a Muslim country over forty years ago to escape persecution and death threats, I find that position stupid and absurd.

266 posted on 05/25/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Anti-Bubba182
You make the mistake of confusion "anti Mormon" with "anti MormonISM"...

A person who opposes the homosexual agenda isn't -- as the MSM & homosexual activists would have you believe -- anti-"homosexual."

To oppose their agenda -- even vociferously so -- doesn't make you against them as people.

Hence, you have bought the liberal & MSM lie & Mormon PR falsehood.

267 posted on 05/25/2012 10:43:29 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: dirtboy
A poster on this thread has staked the position that Mormonism is a graver threat than Islam.

I agree completely with you. I even posted a pictoral essay to clarify that point at post #116.

268 posted on 05/25/2012 10:49:15 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
However, presuming that the Christian objective of the FMTS is to 'save' Mormon souls [there is no other reason to boldly proclaim the Gospel truth to others is there?]

Your presumption is inaccurate. There are hundreds if not thousands of people reading FR and with the plethora of mormon based propaganda now found on the internet, some of those lurkers/readers are being shown that there are reasons to not accept Salt Lake's party line.

There are a few former mormons who have been saved due to our activity, for which we praise God, but we are aware of the larger audience.

269 posted on 05/25/2012 10:50:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Colofornian

Bet the rent Mormons and most observers take anti MormonISM as anti Mormon especially when the distinction is attempted by
the chief tormentor in this Forum.


270 posted on 05/25/2012 10:54:02 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Colofornian

You see...Ann Romney became an apostate to her faith. She placed a cultist as a priority over what we the church are to place: Jesus Christ AS the bridegroom of the church.
_________________________________________

Ann Davies was only 15 and a pretty young empty headed thing when George Romney picked her out to be a future wife for his son Willard...

George took Ann into his own home and taught her how to be a good Mormon wife...

and cut her off from her family...

By the time Willard got back from his draft dodging trip to Paris, stars-in-her-eyes Ann was well on her way to being mind controlled and conformed to Mormonism...

How any self respecting woman would put up with her own parents being barred from seeing her married is no mystery...

Her parents were now “the enemy”...

George purposely picked a young one...

one who could be manipulated..

Ann has never had a life of her own outside Mormonism and wealth ever since...

What normal female would consider it a financial hardship to be in danger of having to sell some stock in order to keep the husband in college ???

What normal female would not have at least worked part time at McDonalds and yet be considered an expert on working mothers ???

What female would have NO underage children left in the home for more than FIFTEEN YEARS and yet be touted and champianed as a “stay-at-home-Mom ???

What female would look down on as less the women who have NO Choice but to work ???

Whaty female would try one-up-manship with working mothers by declaring “Well I have had my struggles too ya know> Cancer. MS” as though other women havent had the same challenges ...

and yet still worked...

didnt get to stay home...

or have the same expensive healthcare she had...

Thats Ann Davies Romney...

Thats the blind sheltered world she lives in...

Thata the phony world she lives in...

Never a part of the real world...

Granted other women not Mormon can think as dumb and act like that...

But thats Mormonism...

BTW Ann puts her expensive shoe in her mouth each time she opens it...

Willard should have asked Michele Bachmann to speak for working mothers...

at least she did work outside the home...


271 posted on 05/25/2012 10:55:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“No hate crazed pig like you can preach anything! You are like a shyster lawyer and the law.”

Oh, you were sooo close to a new record Ad Hominem attack score!

I suggest you might try working Hitler, Nazi or at least KKK into your attacks in order to push your score up into new record territory.

If you are going to ignore: facts, evidence and logic, you should go way bigger on the personal attacks.


272 posted on 05/25/2012 10:58:26 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Colofornian
Bet the rent Mormons and most observers take anti MormonISM as anti Mormon

So, we are responsible for the reaction by others to our posts?

You can bet the rent that when those 52,000 mormon missionaries knock on the doors of Christians, they take pro-mormon as anti-Christian.

Lecture the mormons.

273 posted on 05/25/2012 11:00:48 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Servant of the Cross; ejonesie22
Try as I might, I can't resist posting my thoughts on this topic which will probably subject me to criticism from each side. First, I have previously sporadically participated in so-called 'anti-Mormon' threads to ridicule MormonISM defenders, when they were here and feeling proud (resty & PD come to mind). But I have ceased that for some time. Your comment made me contemplate 'taking sides'. I think I understand primary motivations for each side. Allow me to expand on my definition of the remaining 'sides'. I would suggest that nearly all FR posts defending MormonISM are gone, which I would attribute to the strength of what I'll call the FR Mormon Truth Squad (FMTS). The motivation is very personal, a calling if you will, as many FMTSer's are ex-mormon and know the heresy and falsehood's firsthand. Others saw the strength of Mormon defenders here circa 2007/2008, and their negative impact on that GOP primary, and rose to combat that too.

I would say this is a fair assessment.

However, presuming that the Christian objective of the FMTS is to 'save' Mormon souls [there is no other reason to boldly proclaim the Gospel truth to others is there?], they might try a little different strategy, eh? I'm reminded of a couple of passages from the Bible .... If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. ... I Corinthians 13:1. ... but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ ... Ephesians 4:15

If you had a friend diagnosed with cancer but who refused to accept the diagnosis so they could begin accept to treatment, somehow, someway, that person has to be exposed to that which will bring them out of denial.

At some point, those around that person would need to stop enabling them in ways which foster their continuing to go on with business as usual...because, as we've seen, enabling behavior in lots of ways to certain lifestyles isn't very "loving" -- no matter how lovey-dovey it comes across.

You see, people seem to forget that tough love is still love. And you cite 1 Cor. 13, yet you somehow managed to leave out 1 Cor. 13:6: "Love rejoices in the truth."

Too many people tend to pit truth vs. love. But they are married; and like married couples, they will at times appear to be at odds with each other.

So...#1...We are not simply called to preach the Gospel, but together, the Law and Gospel, for its oft the Law that drives people TO the Gospel.

#2...You don't condemn Jesus for his "strategy" of how he spoke to the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law, do you?

In John 8, he labeled them as children of the devil. In Matthew 23, he labeled them those who traverse land and sea to make others "twice the son of hell." -- and called them whitewashed sepulcres -- clean on the outside; filthy on the inside.

You see, people don't realize that the "strategy" depends upon to whom you are talking. Jesus comforted the afflicted; and He afflicted the comfortable.

The religious Pharisees types he did the latter; others He did the former. Failure to distinguish these two oft' causes the errors of incomplete statements such as what you've given here.

274 posted on 05/25/2012 11:02:39 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: dirtboy; Anti-Bubba182
I notice you didn't answer a basic question from another poster, so I'll ask it again - where would YOU rather live, Salt Lake City or Cairo?

If I was assigned a mission to Mormons, I'd prefer to live closer to SLC. If I was on a mission to Muslims, I'd prefer to live closer to Cairo.

Given that you Dirtboy have the relatives with a Coptic Christian background, I'd suggest that you live closer to Cairo for potential mission & ministry.

Given that I am the descendent of a Mormon polygamous leader, that I live closer to SLC for potential mission & ministry.

275 posted on 05/25/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
Given that you Dirtboy have the relatives with a Coptic Christian background, I'd suggest that you live closer to Cairo for potential mission & ministry.

They are not Coptic and they voted with their feet decades ago to come here. Some folks understand a real threat to their freedom. Others are too confused to tell the difference.

276 posted on 05/25/2012 11:13:16 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Deb

Ok, who is the Virgil Goode person you keep talking about? I just looked at my ballot that came in the mail today and their name is not listed.
So who is he and why are you so focused on them?


277 posted on 05/25/2012 11:14:56 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; greyfoxx39
Bet the rent Mormons and most observers take anti MormonISM as anti Mormon...

GF is right: So we're responsible for the reactions of others? Plus, it's posters like yourself which have already tried to improperly reinforce this false notion of opposing an "ism" makes you against the person who holds it.

...especially when the distinction is attempted by the chief tormentor in this Forum.

You know, earlier this week I came across a book about Roman Catholic exorcists. I scanned thru it and noticed how the demonic entities were "tormented" about the presence of the applied cross.

Dark forces are obviously tormented by not only the cross, but by light -- by truth.

If I was to embrace the "need"/the "cause" to withhold truth...light...the proclamation of the cross according to which entities it "tormented," I'd have to go on quite a crusade of Bible-burning, book-burning, radio-and-TV preaching hounding, Internet censorship communist-style, etc.

278 posted on 05/25/2012 11:20:30 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: dirtboy
Some folks understand a real threat to their freedom. Others are too confused to tell the difference.

Some folks understand a real threat to the soul. Others are too confused to tell the difference.

279 posted on 05/25/2012 11:21:26 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw; Deb; EternalVigilance
So who is he and why are you so focused on them?

Yea, Debs. Who is he? Inquiring FReepers want to know. We need to compare him to Tom Hoefling. AND, does the Falcon Party have a nominee yet?

280 posted on 05/25/2012 11:23:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: svcw
Some folks understand a real threat to the soul. Others are too confused to tell the difference.

Please show where I have said anything favorable about Mormon doctrine.

I haven't.

You seem to confuse debunking the insane notion that Mormonism is a greater threat than Islam with defending the Mormon faith.

My point stands - a Mormon can leave the LDS church without fear of facing persecution or death. A muslim faces death if he wants to leave that faith.

Mormonism can peacefully coexist in a society that mandates freedome of religion. Islam loathes the very concept.

281 posted on 05/25/2012 11:29:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: svcw; Deb
Ok, who is the Virgil Goode person you keep talking about? I just looked at my ballot that came in the mail today and their name is not listed. So who is he and why are you so focused on them?

Virgil Goode is a Christian on the Constitution Party slate...a former rep from VA.

The Constitution Party was on the ballot in 37 states in 2008...vying for 40 states in 2012...currently on 17 states' ballots...

So just because he is not (yet) on ballot, doesn't mean he won't be.

I am voting for Virgil Goode, and suggest others take a close look at him.

If you live in a state which will go Obama, anyway (Left Coast, NY, NJ, other lib states), your vote for Romney won't matter in making any diff vs. Obama.

If you live in a Mormon state like Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and AZ, your vote for Romney won't matter there, either, as a FREEPER. If you subtract all FREEPER votes from those states, the Mormons will sweep in Romney 99-1 -- at least within the Mormon bloc, which is a high % in those states...less so in AZ.

If you live in a conservative state which would ne'er consider a Dem or Obama, your vote for Romney won't matter there, either, as a FREEPER. If you subtract all FREEPER votes from those states, there wouldn't be enough Obama sentiment to vote him in.

That leaves only the genuine swing states -- and NOT the MSM-pegged "swing states" as of yesteryear or even as of May, 2012...but the genuine "swing states" as of late Oct 2012...

Those are the ONLY FREEPERs who have a genuine "dilemma" of a vote.

The rest who operate upon principle have absolutely NO EXCUSE to vote for the big govt, pro-abortion, socialist healthcare pioneer Mitt Romney.

282 posted on 05/25/2012 11:29:42 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: dirtboy
My point stands - a Mormon can leave the LDS church without fear of facing persecution or death.

And my point is that you do not know what you are talking about - persecution and death happen.

283 posted on 05/25/2012 11:33:15 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian

Oh, being in California, I can vote or not vote for whomever I want, BHO is taking it anyway.


284 posted on 05/25/2012 11:35:37 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks, Boo-Boo.


285 posted on 05/25/2012 11:37:12 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: svcw

Got links to any stories about such that are less than, say, sixty years old?


286 posted on 05/25/2012 11:39:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Servant of the Cross; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22; All
The remaining 'other' side at FR is personal too, but not to defend MormonISM. It is to defend a real person, an individual they know as a good person who is currently in the Mormon faith

Btw, I take issue with your characterization of Mitt Romney as a "good person."

Even the Mormon church owned DesNews had problems with Romney's ties to the porn industry back in the Summer of 2007: The nasty taint of porn

I mean imagine you're a "devout Mormon." You've been offered a cozy occasional directorship position for a local theater for $25,000 per year. You find out that the theater shows family-rated fair. But there's a "back entrance" for their XXX showings. You also find out they give $ to Planned Parenthood. Would you, as an alleged "devout Mormon," continue to take the position knowing that a portion of your salary comes from their porn industry intake? What would you feel knowing that this theater's $ goes to the largest child-killing organization in the world (Planned Parenthood)?

Well, that's Mitt Romney for you. He's done the exact equivalent of the above!!! Besides the porn angle via His board position with Marriott he held for double-figure years, Marriott has made Life Decision Intl's boycott list for supporting Planned Parenthood!

287 posted on 05/25/2012 11:48:22 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
Btw, I take issue with your characterization of Mitt Romney as a "good person."

Btw, I take issue with you putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about Willard, thank you very much.

There are FReepers, who shall remain nameless, who are 'good people' who are currently mormon. Just as you once were as well.

Thanks Boo-Boo.

288 posted on 05/25/2012 11:55:19 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; svcw
Virgil Goode is a solid conservative and a good(e) man. If he had run as a Republican I'd have supported him. He has no chance on the Constitution Party ticket and is a wasted vote.

If you're not working for Goode, you're being used by his campaign workers to trash Romney. All's fair...

289 posted on 05/25/2012 11:58:02 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: dirtboy

- a Mormon can leave the LDS church without fear of facing persecution or death
_______________________________________________

Not according to Mormon doctrine...


290 posted on 05/25/2012 12:05:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb; All
Thank you for that insight. Next question. Since it’s Friday and Happy Hour is soon ... what’s your favorite beer?

or is it possibly what the most interesting man in the world drinks (when he’s having a beer that is) …

p.s. do you know if the Mormons have a brewery business?

291 posted on 05/25/2012 12:05:51 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: dirtboy

The Laffertys

1984


292 posted on 05/25/2012 12:09:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Servant of the Cross
There are FReepers, who shall remain nameless, who are 'good people' who are currently mormon. Just as you once were as well.

I take issue with you putting words in my mouth.

I've never said I was a Mormon.

(My ancestors were; my relatives are)

But...otherwise...thanks for your boo-boo...allows for me to clarify that.

293 posted on 05/25/2012 12:10:47 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god f rom Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Deb

You must be skinny as a rail!

With all the jumping to conclusions you do!


294 posted on 05/25/2012 12:21:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Deb

Wow!

With all of those ACCUSATIONs; how would ANYONE ever find the time to post anything but defenses of them?


295 posted on 05/25/2012 12:22:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dirtboy

Bogus request on your part.
Do you honestly beleive that the MSM is going to post articles on how mormons trying to leave mormonism are shunned. They however might be the case as this campaign continues.
Ask the former mormons on FR what happened to them when they left if you want recent first had experiences.
My personal experiences that myself, sister and bother were shunned by our mormon family when we refused to convert.
I have a cousin who was shunned by her husband, co workers (she was a temple worker) (lds) family and (lds) friends when she tried to leave after years in momonism.
I’d have you talk to my her, but she’s dead.


296 posted on 05/25/2012 12:22:15 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Deb
The “general admonitions” of Jesus were to not judge or throw stones or condemn the speck in your brother’s eye while ignoring the beam in yours. Stuff like that.

Perhaps you should read a little further into the BOOK...


 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



297 posted on 05/25/2012 12:23:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Deb
I prefer to let the Holy Spirit decide who's "in sin".

Me, too!

But I can SURELY detect false teachings; and, by GOD, I am going to point them out.

298 posted on 05/25/2012 12:25:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Deb
As to Elsie's "superior words of wisdom"...


Aw...  shucks...
 


299 posted on 05/25/2012 12:27:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Deb
Hey, you’re not as stupid as everyone says.

EVERYONE?

You must run with a VERY select crowd!

300 posted on 05/25/2012 12:29:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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