or is it possibly what the most interesting man in the world drinks (when he’s having a beer that is) …
p.s. do you know if the Mormons have a brewery business?
Posted on 05/22/2012 8:47:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
The stunning expansion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Washington, D.C., area is profiled in a long, interesting and meticulously accurate CNN story that suggests "the nation's capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment."
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"It's hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints," Gilgoff writes, "while it's easy to do the same for other faiths." He cites as an example a recent White House "compromise" on contraception funding, which he says was "mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops."
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
No hate crazed pig like you can preach anything! You are like a shyster lawyer and the law.
So do you think they should NOT be allowed to do that?
Is this the way you treat ALL strangers? (Or just me?)
If I was to come to your door, would your mouth go off like firecrackers there, too?
Hum?
So, shunning is not a way to manipulate people against their freedom - ok.
Do you do your mind reading tricks at fairs or just birthday parties? Seems like it could be a good part time job.
Islamists are already fighting the freedom to criticize their prophet in this country. They are fighting efforts to block the use of Sharia Law in this country. Do you HONESTLY think that if they assumed power in this country, that they would NOT try to force conversion to Islam?
If so, you are more deliberately ignorant of Islam than I thought possible. You have staked an absurd position and will engage in all kinds of idiotic twisting to avoid confronting your own contradictions. I notice you didn't answer a basic question from another poster, so I'll ask it again - where would YOU rather live, Salt Lake City or Cairo?
Nobody on this forum, or in my long recollection of this forum, posts more Anti Mormon material, or goes to greater lengths to tie it in to anything they can. Hate crazed is fair!
Your straw man post is ludricous since it appears you don't want US to have the right to state OUR experiences and beliefs.
FAIL!
No one is being kept in the LDS faith at the point of a gun, and lots of religious groups shun members who stray. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL whether they choose to let shunning affect their FREE CHOICE in this country to change their religion.
Folks in Muslim countries don't have that kind of freedom from fear of persecution or death.
For your enlightenment, the material postings exposing mormonism come from their (lds) writings, their history, their videos.......how just is that anti-mormonism?
Mormonism defender? I am nothing of the sort. I'll ask the question again - do you think those 52,000 Mormon missionaries should not be allowed to proselytize door-to-door?
Your straw man post is ludricous since it appears you don't want US to have the right to state OUR experiences and beliefs.
I am challenging some of the positions being taken on this thread by you and your co-horts. The folks I see avoiding simple, direct questions are on your side.
Try as I might, I can't resist posting my thoughts on this topic which will probably subject me to criticism from each side. First, I have previously sporadically participated in so-called 'anti-Mormon' threads to ridicule MormonISM defenders, when they were here and feeling proud (resty & PD come to mind). But I have ceased that for some time. Your comment made me contemplate 'taking sides'. I think I understand primary motivations for each side. Allow me to expand on my definition of the remaining 'sides'.
I would suggest that nearly all FR posts defending MormonISM are gone, which I would attribute to the strength of what I'll call the FR Mormon Truth Squad (FMTS). The motivation is very personal, a calling if you will, as many FMTSer's are ex-mormon and know the heresy and falsehood's firsthand. Others saw the strength of Mormon defenders here circa 2007/2008, and their negative impact on that GOP primary, and rose to combat that too.
The remaining 'other' side at FR is personal too, but not to defend MormonISM. It is to defend a real person, an individual they know as a good person who is currently in the Mormon faith. [Although I will never understand how MormonISM, founded by a polygamist pedophile con man, still thrives, there are good conservative people in this 'faith' with a very bizarre (kind word) belief system (remember, even many of our FMTSer's once were mormons).] Therefore, they see the posting of truths about MormonISM, over and over with exaggerated hyperbole, as an unfair attack on their friend.
Your posts always refrain from hyperbole or immaturity. You think seriously about things and I agree with you that Christians should at least stand aside if they don't have the stomach ....
However, presuming that the Christian objective of the FMTS is to 'save' Mormon souls [there is no other reason to boldly proclaim the Gospel truth to others is there?], they might try a little different strategy, eh? I'm reminded of a couple of passages from the Bible ....
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. ... I Corinthians 13:1.
... but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ ... Ephesians 4:15
I like to thank you for this post, it is now apparent that you have know idea what mormonism shunning is and how it can destroy a person, their families and their life.
At least now I can surmise where you are coming from with regards to mormonism.
The point of condemning "mormonism" and ridiculing its tenants, is to disqualify its most famous member, Mitt Romney, from the presidency.
Proclaiming Mr. Romney ineligible by virtue of his membership in the offending religion, voters have no choice but to cast their all-important vote for Virgil Goode of the liliputianous Constitution Party.
Follow the daily (hourly) threads exposing the evil transgressions of Donny and Marie's religion here on FR...you know what stinkers the Osmonds are!
At least now I can surmise where you are coming from with regards to mormonism.
Once again, a shunned individual can leave the faith without fear of being shot at. My former father-in-law was shunned and threatened regularly with death for his conversion to Christianity. He and his wife gave up wealth and standing to come to this country to be free to worship and raise their children as they saw fit.
So you have a hard time selling me that shunning is in any way comparable to a threat of death, since I have known very brave people who were willing to die for their faith.
None of you trolls are fooling anyone...with one possible exception.
I have an even more basic issue. A poster on this thread has staked the position that Mormonism is a graver threat than Islam. Having married into a family of Christian converts that fled a Muslim country over forty years ago to escape persecution and death threats, I find that position stupid and absurd.
A person who opposes the homosexual agenda isn't -- as the MSM & homosexual activists would have you believe -- anti-"homosexual."
To oppose their agenda -- even vociferously so -- doesn't make you against them as people.
Hence, you have bought the liberal & MSM lie & Mormon PR falsehood.
I agree completely with you. I even posted a pictoral essay to clarify that point at post #116.
Your presumption is inaccurate. There are hundreds if not thousands of people reading FR and with the plethora of mormon based propaganda now found on the internet, some of those lurkers/readers are being shown that there are reasons to not accept Salt Lake's party line.
There are a few former mormons who have been saved due to our activity, for which we praise God, but we are aware of the larger audience.
Bet the rent Mormons and most observers take anti MormonISM as anti Mormon especially when the distinction is attempted by
the chief tormentor in this Forum.
You see...Ann Romney became an apostate to her faith. She placed a cultist as a priority over what we the church are to place: Jesus Christ AS the bridegroom of the church.
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Ann Davies was only 15 and a pretty young empty headed thing when George Romney picked her out to be a future wife for his son Willard...
George took Ann into his own home and taught her how to be a good Mormon wife...
and cut her off from her family...
By the time Willard got back from his draft dodging trip to Paris, stars-in-her-eyes Ann was well on her way to being mind controlled and conformed to Mormonism...
How any self respecting woman would put up with her own parents being barred from seeing her married is no mystery...
Her parents were now “the enemy”...
George purposely picked a young one...
one who could be manipulated..
Ann has never had a life of her own outside Mormonism and wealth ever since...
What normal female would consider it a financial hardship to be in danger of having to sell some stock in order to keep the husband in college ???
What normal female would not have at least worked part time at McDonalds and yet be considered an expert on working mothers ???
What female would have NO underage children left in the home for more than FIFTEEN YEARS and yet be touted and champianed as a “stay-at-home-Mom ???
What female would look down on as less the women who have NO Choice but to work ???
Whaty female would try one-up-manship with working mothers by declaring “Well I have had my struggles too ya know> Cancer. MS” as though other women havent had the same challenges ...
and yet still worked...
didnt get to stay home...
or have the same expensive healthcare she had...
Thats Ann Davies Romney...
Thats the blind sheltered world she lives in...
Thata the phony world she lives in...
Never a part of the real world...
Granted other women not Mormon can think as dumb and act like that...
But thats Mormonism...
BTW Ann puts her expensive shoe in her mouth each time she opens it...
Willard should have asked Michele Bachmann to speak for working mothers...
at least she did work outside the home...
“No hate crazed pig like you can preach anything! You are like a shyster lawyer and the law.”
Oh, you were sooo close to a new record Ad Hominem attack score!
I suggest you might try working Hitler, Nazi or at least KKK into your attacks in order to push your score up into new record territory.
If you are going to ignore: facts, evidence and logic, you should go way bigger on the personal attacks.
So, we are responsible for the reaction by others to our posts?
You can bet the rent that when those 52,000 mormon missionaries knock on the doors of Christians, they take pro-mormon as anti-Christian.
Lecture the mormons.
I would say this is a fair assessment.
However, presuming that the Christian objective of the FMTS is to 'save' Mormon souls [there is no other reason to boldly proclaim the Gospel truth to others is there?], they might try a little different strategy, eh? I'm reminded of a couple of passages from the Bible .... If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. ... I Corinthians 13:1. ... but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ ... Ephesians 4:15
If you had a friend diagnosed with cancer but who refused to accept the diagnosis so they could begin accept to treatment, somehow, someway, that person has to be exposed to that which will bring them out of denial.
At some point, those around that person would need to stop enabling them in ways which foster their continuing to go on with business as usual...because, as we've seen, enabling behavior in lots of ways to certain lifestyles isn't very "loving" -- no matter how lovey-dovey it comes across.
You see, people seem to forget that tough love is still love. And you cite 1 Cor. 13, yet you somehow managed to leave out 1 Cor. 13:6: "Love rejoices in the truth."
Too many people tend to pit truth vs. love. But they are married; and like married couples, they will at times appear to be at odds with each other.
So...#1...We are not simply called to preach the Gospel, but together, the Law and Gospel, for its oft the Law that drives people TO the Gospel.
#2...You don't condemn Jesus for his "strategy" of how he spoke to the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law, do you?
In John 8, he labeled them as children of the devil. In Matthew 23, he labeled them those who traverse land and sea to make others "twice the son of hell." -- and called them whitewashed sepulcres -- clean on the outside; filthy on the inside.
You see, people don't realize that the "strategy" depends upon to whom you are talking. Jesus comforted the afflicted; and He afflicted the comfortable.
The religious Pharisees types he did the latter; others He did the former. Failure to distinguish these two oft' causes the errors of incomplete statements such as what you've given here.
If I was assigned a mission to Mormons, I'd prefer to live closer to SLC. If I was on a mission to Muslims, I'd prefer to live closer to Cairo.
Given that you Dirtboy have the relatives with a Coptic Christian background, I'd suggest that you live closer to Cairo for potential mission & ministry.
Given that I am the descendent of a Mormon polygamous leader, that I live closer to SLC for potential mission & ministry.
They are not Coptic and they voted with their feet decades ago to come here. Some folks understand a real threat to their freedom. Others are too confused to tell the difference.
Ok, who is the Virgil Goode person you keep talking about? I just looked at my ballot that came in the mail today and their name is not listed.
So who is he and why are you so focused on them?
GF is right: So we're responsible for the reactions of others? Plus, it's posters like yourself which have already tried to improperly reinforce this false notion of opposing an "ism" makes you against the person who holds it.
...especially when the distinction is attempted by the chief tormentor in this Forum.
You know, earlier this week I came across a book about Roman Catholic exorcists. I scanned thru it and noticed how the demonic entities were "tormented" about the presence of the applied cross.
Dark forces are obviously tormented by not only the cross, but by light -- by truth.
If I was to embrace the "need"/the "cause" to withhold truth...light...the proclamation of the cross according to which entities it "tormented," I'd have to go on quite a crusade of Bible-burning, book-burning, radio-and-TV preaching hounding, Internet censorship communist-style, etc.
Some folks understand a real threat to the soul. Others are too confused to tell the difference.
Yea, Debs. Who is he? Inquiring FReepers want to know. We need to compare him to Tom Hoefling. AND, does the Falcon Party have a nominee yet?
Please show where I have said anything favorable about Mormon doctrine.
I haven't.
You seem to confuse debunking the insane notion that Mormonism is a greater threat than Islam with defending the Mormon faith.
My point stands - a Mormon can leave the LDS church without fear of facing persecution or death. A muslim faces death if he wants to leave that faith.
Mormonism can peacefully coexist in a society that mandates freedome of religion. Islam loathes the very concept.
Virgil Goode is a Christian on the Constitution Party slate...a former rep from VA.
The Constitution Party was on the ballot in 37 states in 2008...vying for 40 states in 2012...currently on 17 states' ballots...
So just because he is not (yet) on ballot, doesn't mean he won't be.
I am voting for Virgil Goode, and suggest others take a close look at him.
If you live in a state which will go Obama, anyway (Left Coast, NY, NJ, other lib states), your vote for Romney won't matter in making any diff vs. Obama.
If you live in a Mormon state like Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and AZ, your vote for Romney won't matter there, either, as a FREEPER. If you subtract all FREEPER votes from those states, the Mormons will sweep in Romney 99-1 -- at least within the Mormon bloc, which is a high % in those states...less so in AZ.
If you live in a conservative state which would ne'er consider a Dem or Obama, your vote for Romney won't matter there, either, as a FREEPER. If you subtract all FREEPER votes from those states, there wouldn't be enough Obama sentiment to vote him in.
That leaves only the genuine swing states -- and NOT the MSM-pegged "swing states" as of yesteryear or even as of May, 2012...but the genuine "swing states" as of late Oct 2012...
Those are the ONLY FREEPERs who have a genuine "dilemma" of a vote.
The rest who operate upon principle have absolutely NO EXCUSE to vote for the big govt, pro-abortion, socialist healthcare pioneer Mitt Romney.
And my point is that you do not know what you are talking about - persecution and death happen.
Oh, being in California, I can vote or not vote for whomever I want, BHO is taking it anyway.
Thanks, Boo-Boo.
Got links to any stories about such that are less than, say, sixty years old?
Btw, I take issue with your characterization of Mitt Romney as a "good person."
Even the Mormon church owned DesNews had problems with Romney's ties to the porn industry back in the Summer of 2007: The nasty taint of porn
I mean imagine you're a "devout Mormon." You've been offered a cozy occasional directorship position for a local theater for $25,000 per year. You find out that the theater shows family-rated fair. But there's a "back entrance" for their XXX showings. You also find out they give $ to Planned Parenthood. Would you, as an alleged "devout Mormon," continue to take the position knowing that a portion of your salary comes from their porn industry intake? What would you feel knowing that this theater's $ goes to the largest child-killing organization in the world (Planned Parenthood)?
Well, that's Mitt Romney for you. He's done the exact equivalent of the above!!! Besides the porn angle via His board position with Marriott he held for double-figure years, Marriott has made Life Decision Intl's boycott list for supporting Planned Parenthood!
Btw, I take issue with you putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about Willard, thank you very much.
There are FReepers, who shall remain nameless, who are 'good people' who are currently mormon. Just as you once were as well.
Thanks Boo-Boo.
If you're not working for Goode, you're being used by his campaign workers to trash Romney. All's fair...
- a Mormon can leave the LDS church without fear of facing persecution or death
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Not according to Mormon doctrine...
or is it possibly what the most interesting man in the world drinks (when he’s having a beer that is) …
p.s. do you know if the Mormons have a brewery business?
The Laffertys
1984
I take issue with you putting words in my mouth.
I've never said I was a Mormon.
(My ancestors were; my relatives are)
But...otherwise...thanks for your boo-boo...allows for me to clarify that.
You must be skinny as a rail!
With all the jumping to conclusions you do!
Wow!
With all of those ACCUSATIONs; how would ANYONE ever find the time to post anything but defenses of them?
Bogus request on your part.
Do you honestly beleive that the MSM is going to post articles on how mormons trying to leave mormonism are shunned. They however might be the case as this campaign continues.
Ask the former mormons on FR what happened to them when they left if you want recent first had experiences.
My personal experiences that myself, sister and bother were shunned by our mormon family when we refused to convert.
I have a cousin who was shunned by her husband, co workers (she was a temple worker) (lds) family and (lds) friends when she tried to leave after years in momonism.
I’d have you talk to my her, but she’s dead.
Perhaps you should read a little further into the BOOK...
Me, too!
But I can SURELY detect false teachings; and, by GOD, I am going to point them out.
EVERYONE?
You must run with a VERY select crowd!
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