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Washington, D.C., becoming a 'Mormon stronghold'
Deseret News ^ | May 16, 2012 | Joseph Walker

Posted on 05/22/2012 8:47:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The stunning expansion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Washington, D.C., area is profiled in a long, interesting and meticulously accurate CNN story that suggests "the nation's capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment."

-SNIP-

"It's hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints," Gilgoff writes, "while it's easy to do the same for other faiths." He cites as an example a recent White House "compromise" on contraception funding, which he says was "mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops."

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


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421 posted on 05/25/2012 10:14:30 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Can’t BE!

It’s almost June!


422 posted on 05/26/2012 4:36:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
That was an offshoot group.

And ONE incident.

Now compare that to the widespread abuse Christians receive at the hands of Muslims in Muslim countries.

Let alone the real fear of death that a convert faces anywhere.

Y'all really need to get some perspective here. I agree Mormonism is a strange cult. But I do not see them as anywhere near the threat to this country that Islam is, as a poster has claimed on this thread.

423 posted on 05/26/2012 5:59:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Colofornian
Name ANY Christian missionaries from the past 50 or 60 years who became murderers?

You are a fundamentally dishonest poster, typical of a zealot.

You were asked repeatedly if you would feel safer in Salt Lake City or Cairo - you evaded answering the 'safer' part.

And now, when asked to provide any evidence of Mormons facing persecution or death for leaving the LDS faith, you present me with a list of LDS murders.

That is not the same thing.

So since honest debate with you is impossible, you can kiss my pasty rump.

And FWIW, your patent dishonesty probably helps Romney - his supporters (of which I am not one) can point to your absolutely insane posts and use them to paint all Mormon critics as total loons - like you.

424 posted on 05/26/2012 6:07:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Tennessee Nana
The Laffertys 1984

It is truly pathetic that you attempt to paint the entire LDS church with that episode, given the Laffertys railed against the mainstream LDS church.

You attempt is akin to trying to paint all Baptists with the antics of Fred Phelps.

You are a loon as well.

425 posted on 05/26/2012 6:17:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I am fascinated that you ask questions, questions are answered, then you dismiss those very answers because they do not fit your narrative.


426 posted on 05/26/2012 6:58:01 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
I am fascinated that you ask questions, questions are answered, then you dismiss those very answers because they do not fit your narrative.

I am fascinated but not surprised that you can pretend that my questions were answered at all.

427 posted on 05/26/2012 7:01:04 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: HollyB; svcw; Tennessee Nana
There was a Christian fellowship church in the 70_80’s where the parissioners could not take a vacation or apply for a job without permission. There were these.men at a bible study I attended who believed Christian rock was from the devil.

Sandy? Is that you?

428 posted on 05/26/2012 7:01:30 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Drew68
the hatred towards Mormonism seems to be one-way, and has grown stronger since Romney has become the presumptive Republican nominee.

I suppose you define the "hatred toward mormonism" to be the revelation in our posts of the utter hatred toward Christians and Christianity by the mormon church since the very founding of mormonism.

Find the "love" in these comments by mormon leaders.

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"Christians— those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89


Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):


"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225


Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):


"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance"

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172
“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, "We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John's Church, St. Paul's Church, St. Peter's Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;" and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—"Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots." This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205


Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):


"The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called"

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196


Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):


"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324
Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
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"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
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Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
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"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
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"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171



429 posted on 05/26/2012 7:42:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

a) it’s not ‘new’. I’ve been a Christian for almost 20 years now.

b) my faith is more important then politics and I will not vote for someone who is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.

If you want to vote for Romney, go ahead. But don’t waste your time trying to get me to, to vote for Romney would be to deny my faith and my time in Mormonism.


430 posted on 05/26/2012 8:39:49 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39; Deb

Hey! I thought you thought Deb was Sandy in her retread form? I’m so confused now.


431 posted on 05/26/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: svcw
I am fascinated that you ask questions, questions are answered, then you dismiss those very answers because they do not fit your narrative.

C'mon svcw. That's intellectually dishonest. Every one of those examples of murders were mormon on mormon (or family) or just some crazed individuals with their own pathology. If you're not mormon (as most of us are not), the mormons have posed no physcial threat. UNLIKE the adherents of radical Islam. The threat to non-Muslims from Muslims is real - google Daniel Pearl or 9/11. NO such incidences of mass terrorism on generic non-mormons exist from mormons and it is beyond ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Good grief.

432 posted on 05/26/2012 9:17:00 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Elsie

It would require a willing suspension of disbelief to equate these mormon missionaries with the crazed adherents of islam. Don’t you think?


433 posted on 05/26/2012 9:22:40 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Apparently you have missed where the questions asked were answered.


434 posted on 05/26/2012 9:23:26 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Deb
Hey! I thought you thought Deb was Sandy in her retread form?

Wasn't me.

Deb, except for her illogical defense of mormonism, does make sense on other threads. She seems to direct her hostility towards us.

The stupidity of running a mormon for the office of POTUS against a BLACK man LDS Historical Rhetoric Regarding Marriage Between Whites and Blacks and the unquestioning support of FReepers is mind boggling.

IF Romney should happen to win, the attacks that were leveled against W will seem mild given the history of the mormon church on Christianity, Race, polygamy, baptism of the dead...etc. etc. etc.

Also, Mitt's personality is a turn-off to many.

Virgil Goode-2012

435 posted on 05/26/2012 9:33:16 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39; svcw; Elsie
Apologies, I stand corrected. It was svcw.

Btw, WHAT'S up with the interspersed ALL caps THING? Is that part of the RULES of being a MEMBER of the FI SOCIETY?

436 posted on 05/26/2012 9:51:55 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: daniel1212; Colofornian; Godzilla; Zakeet; delacoert; reaganaut
What do you have on the Utah War besides what the censored WP article has?

Several Flying Inmen have archives that can be tapped....and for actual newspaper accounts of history, Uncle Dale has a lot of information.

Uncle Dale's Readings in Early Mormon History

Another interesting article...

Theocracy in America - influence of Mormon Church on society in Utah

437 posted on 05/26/2012 9:59:12 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Caps? What are you talking about, and are you trying another thread high-jack?


438 posted on 05/26/2012 10:10:20 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: dirtboy; Colofornian; Tennessee Nana; svcw
So since honest debate with you is impossible, you can kiss my pasty rump.
And FWIW, your patent dishonesty probably helps Romney - his supporters (of which I am not one) can point to your absolutely insane posts and use them to paint all Mormon critics as total loons - like you.

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439 posted on 05/26/2012 10:12:32 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39
You nutbars are so predictable. Since I call you out on your evasions, I must be a Mittbott.

So I challenge you to find ONE POST I have made on FR that promotes Mitt Romney. ONE POST.

440 posted on 05/26/2012 10:20:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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