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Hawaii Verifies Obama’s Birth For Arizona Secretary Of State
Talking Points Memo ^ | May 22, 2012 | Nick Martin

Posted on 05/22/2012 9:14:44 PM PDT by Beaten Valve

A Hawaii official announced late Tuesday that the state gave Arizona’s top elections official the verification he wanted showing President Barack Obama was indeed born there in 1961.

The announcement came just hours after Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett backed away from his threats to keep Obama off the November ballot and apologized for embarrassing his own state with a conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into whether the president was really a natural born U.S. citizen.

It also followed weeks of back and forth between Hawaii and Arizona, with Hawaii officials saying they weren’t sure Bennett was qualified to be investigating the matter.

Here’s the full statement Joshua Wisch, the special assistant to the Hawaii attorney general, released at 11:35 p.m. ET:

(Excerpt) Read more at livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 2012; arizona; arizonabirthers; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; hawaii; indonesia; joearpaio; joshuawisch; kenbennett; kenya; naturalborncitizen; sheriffjoe; usurper
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To: allmendream
I replied to you because I thought you would get a laugh out of it.
Your idea why I replied to you is probably accurate.

Your second sentence provides strong evidence that your first sentence was an outright lie.

151 posted on 05/23/2012 10:36:42 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Ok then - I have no idea why you think I replied to you then.

My reason was that most people spouting ignorance have no desire to be corrected by contrary facts - as I have directly experienced many times trying to point out that there was no “travel ban” on Americans visiting Pakistan in the 1980’s.

152 posted on 05/23/2012 10:41:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Nah, he was probably in on it from the beginning you know.

George Soros connection in:

3...

2...

1...

153 posted on 05/23/2012 11:07:00 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: philman_36

Non-certified abbreviated birth certificates are actually still supposed to be discloseable to anybody who asks for them. If you look at HRS 338-18(a) it restricts the HDOH from disclosing information from a vital record except as authorized by HRS 338-18 OR BY HDOH RULES DULY APPROVED.

Although those rules are supposed to be posted on the HDOH website at all times, Fukino hid them until about a year after the 2008 election. It took 3 months of haggling before the HDOH would even tell us WHAT RULES WERE IN EFFECT and then eventually post them as required by law.

One of the reasons I believe she hid them is because it says there that anybody can receive a non-certified copy of an abbreviated certificate (the abstract version, which is the only kind authorized in the rules to be by computer rather than photocopy or microfilm copy.

I’ve got stuff posted about this at my blog. Maybe I can go on my daughter’s computer and find a link. My computer freezes up anytime I go on my own blog. sigh.

The HI Ombudsman’s office - Alfred Itamura, to be exact, with the response cleared through Ombudsman Robyn Matsunaga (IIRC) - let me know that the HDOH was “not unreasonable” for saying they couldn’t disclose the non-certified abbreviated certs I requested, because the rules say those MAY be disclosed/issued rather than saying they SHALL be. But Itamura knows as well as me that UIPA says anything that CAN be disclosed MUST be disclosed. So basically the Ombudsman’s Office agreed that the HDOH CAN disclose those records to anybody who asks - contrary to what the HDOH routinely claims. And UIPA thus REQUIRES them to disclose it upon request.

I’ve got a link to the Administrative Rules on my blog, or you can get to it from the HDOH’s website if you know how to dig for it. Let me know if you’d like to see any of this and I’ll see if I can get to the links on my daughter’s computer.

BTW, those rules went into effect in 1976.


154 posted on 05/23/2012 11:07:22 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The verification that Hawaii sent Arizona can be found here:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf


155 posted on 05/23/2012 11:15:10 AM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: philman_36
Can't anybody (including the AP) call the office and get an "official" confirmation for print?

It's another Obama sekrit. Kabuki theater.

156 posted on 05/23/2012 11:30:08 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BigGuy22

Well I spoke too soon about Kubuki theater.


157 posted on 05/23/2012 11:34:35 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
"Well I spoke too soon about Kubuki theater."

LOL, maybe you meant "Party of Noh" Drama.
158 posted on 05/23/2012 11:37:40 AM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: allmendream

They didn’t change the law; they just decided not to obey the one still in effect. They are refusing to let anybody even SEE either the original or a copy of an original birth certificate. Not even somebody expressly authorized to get a certified copy. That totally violates UIPA. According to UIPA anybody who is expressly authorized by law to have access to a record MUST be allowed to inspect it, which includes copying it. The HDOH refuses to allow either.

But just for birth certificates.They’ll allow certified copies of original death certificates. Something particular about birth certificates I guess...

At http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm is says:

Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]”

Nowhere does that say that if an applicant requests a certified copy of a certificate the HDOH can instead give them the contents of the certificate. It says that UPON REQUEST the HDOH SHALL provide to the applicant (the person who is applying for a SPECIFIC record) certified copy, contents, or a part of the certificate. What was applied for is what must be issued, as long as the requirements in 338-16, 339-17, and 338-18 are met.

The copy that was requested can be made by one of several processes, if approved by the Director of Health. But the HDOH Administrative Rules - which are still in effect and which bind the Director of Health - specify that certified copies of standard birth certificates MUST be made by photocopy, microfilm, or typing. Computer abstract not allowed.

So what, exactly, is the HDOH afraid is going to happen if they let people see the original birth certificate of themselves or their close relatives? Why violate UIPA, HRS 338-13, and the HDOH Administrative Rules rather than allow the people the records are about to be in on the secret of what was reported about them?

Explain that to me.


159 posted on 05/23/2012 11:38:50 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BigGuy22
LOL, maybe you meant "Party of Noh" Drama.

Here's to Drama! I'd like to see the origins of that Obama birf cert as would everyone else. This is the first time that Hawaii has been "confirmed" Obama's BC. Gee, "I hope it" stands up to future scrutiny since Hawaii has now crossed the Rubicon or is that Con?

160 posted on 05/23/2012 11:47:20 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TheCipher

Exactly. Seems like if he was qualified to get a verification then he was qualified to get verification of the specific things he asked for. Why would they insist that he change what he ask for?

The things he asked for were specifically geared towards verifying that it was a LEGALLY VALID birth record. So why would they balk at verifying that? Could it be because any “verification” they would do would totally rely on a birth index which has specifically been altered to include legally non-valid records?

We need to see what really transpired. If I knew how to request the records I’d request it myself.


161 posted on 05/23/2012 11:49:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: allmendream
My reason was that most people spouting ignorance have no desire to be corrected by contrary facts...
And yet, somehow, you managed an attempt at attaching and attributing to me said statement instead of the person actually making the statement.
Tell what ever tale you choose.

Have a nice day.

162 posted on 05/23/2012 11:53:55 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: butterdezillion
Let me know if you’d like to see any of this and I’ll see if I can get to the links on my daughter’s computer.
Nah, don't trouble yourself. I've seen it before.
The full birth certificate isn't a public record and that's the point.
163 posted on 05/23/2012 11:57:26 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: butterdezillion
"If I knew how to request the records I’d request it myself."
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One of the lessons from Bennett's experience is that a big part of "how to request the records" is proving that you are authorized to receive them.

Do you think you can satisfy those requirements?
164 posted on 05/23/2012 11:59:17 AM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: philman_36

It’s like being in a bad dream watching a Twilight Zone episode of someone having a weird nightmare.


165 posted on 05/23/2012 12:01:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: BigGuy22

Nowhere does that state that the record in question is LEGALLY VALID.

Nothing in this statement rules out an amended and/or late birth certificate, which is legally non-valid.

I have no doubts that they’ve got a document that makes those claims. There are two issues above and beyond that, though - both of which I’ve been stating all along:

1. Is that document genuine? That would be known by auditing the record through microfilms, computer transaction logs, and forensic examination of the original.

2. Was the record late and/or amended? Previous responses by both the HDOH and former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama indicated that it was.

Because of the HDOH’s own tampering with records (falsified 1960-64 birth index, altered BC#’s on certified records, and the alteration of the name on Virginia Sunahara’s birth record), an audit needs to be done.

That is what I’ve been saying all along.


166 posted on 05/23/2012 12:04:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: philman_36
I had no such intention and it would be obvious to any but the brain dead that I was going by your statement that the law limiting access to vital birth records was passed a dozen years before 0bama was born - rather than being changed recently in order to “accommodate 0bama”.

But go ahead and make wile eyed accusations of lies and attempts at attribution if that is what is going to get you through your day.

167 posted on 05/23/2012 12:05:43 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Red Steel; BigGuy22
Interesting...
1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Note also that he didn't say that the CLB attached was "the real deal" and only that the information matched.

168 posted on 05/23/2012 12:08:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: butterdezillion

“That is what I’ve been saying all along.”
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I don’t doubt it for a minute.

But my question to you was, “Do you think you can satisfy those requirements?”


169 posted on 05/23/2012 12:09:48 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: butterdezillion
Nowhere does that state that the record in question is LEGALLY VALID.
See 168. A very artfully worded response, IMO.
170 posted on 05/23/2012 12:11:48 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Bennett got NOTHING that hasn’t already been put out there. I thought the whole idea was to go to Hawaii and examine for themselves the BC and try and determine if it was a legit document. Bennett’s going to come out of this looking like a fool. ...And this guy is going to run for guv in 2014...Puleez.


171 posted on 05/23/2012 12:14:56 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: philman_36

“Note also that he didn’t say that the CLB attached was “the real deal” and only that the information matched.”
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That’s right — the purpose of the verification process is to confirm that the information on a purported official state document matches the information in Hawaii’s official records.

Once that’s established, the Full Faith and Credit clause (Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution) takes over:

“Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”


172 posted on 05/23/2012 12:15:09 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: philman_36

But everything that’s on a COLB is. Including the BC#, any stamps indicating “LATE” or “ALTERED”, and any notations of what supporting documentation was provided for amendments or late registrations.

And if you look at what was in that “verification”, it was never claimed that the record was legally valid.

We know that the BC Obama presented was forged. If the content that HI has for him in their official “record on file” is the same as what Obama produced, then why did he have to forge anything?

Could be because the FORM they have the information in is not a long-form BC that looks like this, but is an incomplete BC with affidavits added later to complete the thing. That would explain why they talk about there being a birth certificate on file but when they talk about the contents they always refer to “the record”.

The certifying statement on what Obama produced specifically allows for this - that this is a copy OR ABSTRACT of a record on file.

Remember that Abercrombie talked about something “actually written down” and Fukino talked about something “half typed, half written”. Abercrombie told Mike Evans that he couldn’t find a birth certificate for Obama.


173 posted on 05/23/2012 12:16:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: allmendream
I had no such intention and it would be obvious to any but the brain dead that I was going by your statement that the law limiting access to vital birth records was passed a dozen years before 0bama was born - rather than being changed recently in order to “accommodate 0bama”.
I didn't make any statement about any changes to accommodate him. That comment was made by another poster at @reply 100 as you well know.

I'll just put up what I actually said to compare it to what you think I said...

@#129...

BC’s were once available to anyone upon request in Hawaii.

Here is a pickable link (opens in new screen)...@www.capitol.hawaii.gov - /hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/

Here is the timeline for - §338-18 Disclosure of records
[L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]

So since at least 1949 there have been restrictions in Hawaii on disclosure.

Help me out here with your assertion. What decade were you talking about?

But go ahead and make wile eyed accusations of lies and attempts at attribution if that is what is going to get you through your day.
All I have to do is post what I actually said. The rest is your own doing, not mine.

174 posted on 05/23/2012 12:25:15 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Bennett got NOTHING that hasn’t already been put out there.
He didn't get confirmation that the CLB attached was "the real deal", only that the information contained therein matched. Bennett got, IMO, nothing more than an artfully worded response.

That is something in its own right.

175 posted on 05/23/2012 12:30:06 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Beaten Valve

I am trying to look on the bright side of this.

Now there is official confirmation that the birth “record” in Hawaii lists Barack Obama Sr. as Zippy’s dad(one of the items for which verification was requested by Bennett).

Now there is offical recognition of the information that proves Obama is not a natural born citizen.


176 posted on 05/23/2012 12:34:38 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: butterdezillion
...it was never claimed that the record was legally valid.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
I value this "response" to be on the same par as toilet paper.
All it's good for is wiping one's backside.

But hey, when you give someone wriggle room, like Bennett did, they're always going to take it.

177 posted on 05/23/2012 12:35:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BigGuy22

I wasn’t talking about requesting the records for Obama. What I want to see at this point is the communications between Bennett and the Hawaii people. How did his request have to be changed?

What I can see that differs between Bennett’s request and what he received is that this request was not fulfilled by the final response:

“Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.”

What they got was just that the INFORMATION on what Obama posted is the same as what they have. They wouldn’t say that it is a true and accurate representation of the original record in their files.

Fake but accurate. That’s what they seem to be claiming.

They also say that the information contained in the vital record on file was used to verify the facts of the vital event. IOW, they are claiming that what is sworn in the record swears that the facts are true. Well duh. The record verifies the record. Notice that THEY nowhere state that these ARE the facts of birth. Thay can’t legally say that if the birth record is REALLY half written (supporting affidavits) and half typed (incomplete BC form originally filed with the local registrar by Madelyn Dunham) as Fukino indicated.

Obama posted a forgery because it was a “composite” of an incomplete BC and affidavits required to complete the BC much later.

Sort of like his “composite girlfriends”. Everything about this guy is manufactured.

And the HDOH’s unwillingness to say that “the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files” is an admission by Alvin Onaka that he has known all along that Obama posted a forgery. “Fake but accurate”. It just doesn’t reveal that the BC is late, amended, and relies on affidavits to fill in what was missing because Obama wasn’t examined by a Hawaii doctor in 1961.

Look at what Onaka actually says that HE verifies. He verifies that there is a birth certificate “indicating” that Obama was born in HI. He just lists details without saying what HE verifies about them. And then he verifies that “the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files.”

Below that he “certifies” that “the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event”.

Used by WHO to verify the facts of the vital event, Mr. Onaka? By you? You never said that you verified the actual facts of the vital event. The only thing you actually put your name as verifying was that a birth certificate is on file “indicating” that Obama was born in HI. There was no sentence clarifying what #2-12 represented - what you personally verify, or what the birth certificate CLAIMS, whether accurate and/or legally valid or not.


178 posted on 05/23/2012 12:47:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: philman_36

Very CAREFULLY worded response.

This is the same thing as Fukino’s July 2009 press release. Interesting that Fuddy wouldn’t do this. They made Onaka be the fall guy.


179 posted on 05/23/2012 12:49:44 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Well stated. Like I said...on par with toilet paper.


180 posted on 05/23/2012 12:51:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BigGuy22
Wait a minute !!!

here I thought it was settled, thats just another "go away kid ya bother me" note

thats not the birth certificate !!!!!

181 posted on 05/23/2012 12:52:27 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: butterdezillion

Here is what Hawaii sent to Bennett

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf


182 posted on 05/23/2012 12:54:28 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: butterdezillion

“What they got was just that the INFORMATION on what Obama posted is the same as what they have.”
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You are correct. What Onaka said is that the information, as listed in Bennett’s verification request, is the same as the information in Hawaii’s official records.

As I said, once it’s established that the records contain that information, the Full Faith and Credit clause takes over.


183 posted on 05/23/2012 12:54:42 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: 4Zoltan
Hey, it's the second string back again! How ya been doing lately?
If you read the excellent analysis at reply #178 you'll see that you're also late to the party.
Do try and keep up.
184 posted on 05/23/2012 12:58:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

this is the meat

Seizethecarp
in all the like threads...I’ve yet to see a comment on this comment

As with any investigation undertaken by my office, it is my responsibility to the residents of Maricopa County to investigate until I discover the truth, regardless how intensely political pressure is applied to me by the White House and now by the Arizona secretary of state,” Arpaio told WND late last night.

-snip


185 posted on 05/23/2012 1:00:27 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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To: BigGuy22; butterdezillion
As I said, once it’s established that the records contain that information, the Full Faith and Credit clause takes over.
So how about a little elucidation about where you're going with that statement.
How, in your opinion, does the FF&C clause come into effect and what, in your opinion, are the implications of the Full Faith and Credit clause coming into effect?
186 posted on 05/23/2012 1:06:56 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

That is why I included “rather than” instead of “in addition to”. You made one statement in response to another statement, the two of which were mutually contradictory. It should be obvious to all but the brain dead that I was responding to the statement you made that CONTRADICTED the earlier statement.

I am sorry that such was confusing to you.


187 posted on 05/23/2012 1:07:21 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: advertising guy

Got link?


188 posted on 05/23/2012 1:08:33 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

That’s my view too. I want to see how Bennett “changed the wording” on his request. I’m betting he changed the part about the attached BC being an “accurate and true representation” of what they have on file. Onaka couldn’t agree to verify that, because he knows Obama’s BC was a forgery.

And if I was a gambler I’d bet a lot of money that an audit of the computer transaction logs would show that BC# taken from Virginia Sunahara and given to Obama. The rest of that probably was actually claimed on a document (or a combination of multiple documents) for Obama.


189 posted on 05/23/2012 1:09:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: philman_36

yep

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/sheriff-joe-im-not-going-to-call-it-quits/?cat_orig=politics


190 posted on 05/23/2012 1:13:53 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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To: allmendream

191 posted on 05/23/2012 1:14:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“what, in your opinion, are the implications of the Full Faith and Credit clause coming into effect?”
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I think the FF&C clause speaks for itself:

“Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”


192 posted on 05/23/2012 1:14:38 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: BigGuy22
Ah well, I really didn't expect more from you.
I just thought I would ask.
193 posted on 05/23/2012 1:17:10 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I’d bet it’s at http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/sheriff-joe-im-not-going-to-call-it-quits/?cat_orig=politics but I can’t get to that because my computer never wants to let me go on either WND or my own blog.

Good thing I have my daughter’s computer. Tee-hee.


194 posted on 05/23/2012 1:17:21 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: philman_36

“Ah well, I really didn’t expect more from you.”
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And no more is needed, for those who respect the Constitution.


195 posted on 05/23/2012 1:20:45 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: philman_36
Let me get this straight ;

so Arizona presents a known forged document for verification and Hawaii confirms that the forged document is identicle to the forged document in their posession ....

I really wanted to believe in reality but it requires so much faith !

196 posted on 05/23/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: advertising guy
TYVM.

The reported verification from Hawaii came only after Bennett, a Republican who has aspirations to run for governor, closely tailored his request to conform to the demands of Hawaii’s attorney general.

My guess would be that he changed his request where he asked them to verify that the attached birth certificate was the real deal.

197 posted on 05/23/2012 1:23:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: KTM rider
so Arizona presents a known forged document for verification and Hawaii confirms that the forged document is identicle to the forged document in their posession ....
My recommendation...read reply 178.
Pay attention to what was and wasn't said in the release and don't squeeze the pdf Charmin too hard if you choose to go back and read the actual response itself.
198 posted on 05/23/2012 1:29:03 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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...regardless how intensely political pressure is applied to me by the White House and now by the Arizona secretary of state...
BTW...that is a most interesting tidbit. It wasn't dropped in that manner for no reason.
199 posted on 05/23/2012 1:42:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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I would also guess that the communications about why the request had to be changed were done over the phone, so there is no record of it. But I would think that the actual re-worded request must have been e-mailed. That’s what we need to see.

The thing that’s intriguing about this is the tacit admission that Onaka knows Obama posted a forgery. Especially considering that there is a criminal investigation to find out who is responsible for the forgery and fraud, that is HUGE! If I was Onaka I’d be expecting a knock on my door because in an official document I had just admitted that I had committed misprision of forgery and misprision of fraud, at the very least. And this on the same day that Zullo was at his office.

If I was Fuddy I think I’d be looking for a good lawyer. And probably Fukino too. This one thing exposes that they all knew Obama posted a forgery, and their failure to report it to law enforcement is misprision of forgery and fraud. Crimes against Arizona (and every other state, but AZ has a heckuva good patriot in Sheriff Joe!)

See, all along there’s been the eligibility issue and there’s also been the rule of law issue. They go hand in hand and I’ve been concerned about both, but what really lit my fire was the rule of law issue. Obama should be ousted because he’s ineligible. But he should also be ousted because he is a criminal.

The HDOH can do the lying bit in order to try to cover the POLITICAL bases. But the CRIMINAL bases are still there, and it is so surreal that these people are falling on their own CRIMINAL swords in order to cover Obama’s POLITICAL behind. The lying bit is in itself criminal, and it makes me wonder what they think will keep them from facing prosecution. Obama will not be the usurper-in-chief forever. Or do they think he will be?

If the AZ SOS is applying intense political pressure to Sheriff Joe to drop the criminal investigation, maybe those communications need to be made public as well...

I had hoped that Bennett was in earnest but Zullo said Bennett wasn’t interested in hearing any of the posse’s evidence. Boy, do I feel like a sucker. I try to believe the best about people until they prove me wrong.

I just briefly heard some of Michael Savage’s show last night as I was working. He was asking people who their hero is - who inspires them. There weren’t very many responses. I’ve got Jesus for the big one, and also lots of small heroes - like some of the people here, and military heroes, my mom and dad, etc. But I can’t think of anybody in national politics who is a hero. Sarah Palin is probably the closest. When it comes to law enforcement my kids watch old episodes of “Bones”, NCIS, or “Law and Order”, and I realize that it is fiction. The FBI doesn’t really act with that kind of integrity. The FBI told me they don’t investigate document fraud - right before I went online and reported document fraud, and was told it would be forwarded to.... the FBI. And the NCIS charges people like the Haditha Marines just to get John Murtha to open the purse (accidentally typed in pus at first, should have left it) strings. The political players in the NCIS obstructed justice. And now the same thing is happening in the military with Robert Bales; his attorney can’t get access to any of the witnesses or evidence (at least last I knew).

It’s sad. I’m really sad about where my country and world are at.


200 posted on 05/23/2012 1:56:29 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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