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Source found for missing water in sea-level rise
Nature News ^ | 20 May 2012 | Amanda Mascarelli

Posted on 05/22/2012 9:38:49 PM PDT by neverdem

Human use of water contributes markedly to rising tides.

Climate change, with its associated melting ice caps and shrinking glaciers, is the usual suspect when it comes to explaining rising sea levels. But a recent study now shows that human water use has a major impact on sea-level change that has been overlooked.

During the latter half of the twentieth century, global sea level rose by about 1.8 millimetres per year, according to data from tide gauges. The combined contribution from heating of the oceans, which makes the water expand, along with melting of ice caps and glaciers, is estimated to be 1.1 millimetres per year, which leaves some 0.7 millimetres per year unaccounted for. This gap has been considered an important missing piece of the puzzle in estimates for past and current sea-level changes and for projections of future rises.

It now seems that the effects of human water use on land could fill that gap. A team of researchers reports in Nature Geoscience that land-based water storage could account for 0.77 millimetres per year, or 42%, of the observed sea-level rise between 1961 and 2003. Of that amount, the extraction of groundwater for irrigation and home and industrial use, with subsequent run-off to rivers and eventually to the oceans, represents the bulk of the contribution.

Taikan Oki, a global hydrologist at the University of Tokyo and an author on the paper, says that he was initially “astonished” at how well the team’s estimates of terrestrial water usage filled the deficit between the observed sea-level rise and what was accounted for by thermal water expansion and melting ice. “I didn’t expect that terrestrial water storage had such a big impact on sea level,” says Oki. And, he adds, “I didn’t expect that human extraction of groundwater would matter so...”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; demagaogues; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; sealevelrise
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To: neverdem

And they make fun of those medieval philosophers who supposedly tried to count the number of angels that would fit on the head of pin.
How big is a pinhead?.... The head of a pin is about 2mm in diameter.


41 posted on 05/23/2012 4:42:38 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern Union Whites died between 1861-65 to free the slaves. Memorial Day.)
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To: Michael.SF.
If the sea water is creeping into the water table, that would result in a decrease in the ocean level, not an increase. Recycled water is also becoming increasingly injected into the water table so as to raise the water table and thus serve to replenish water taken out at wells.

I doubt there is enough water being locked up or freed by any projects to make a discernable distance. As far as sea water encroaching into land systems and causing a change - water seeks it's own level...

42 posted on 05/23/2012 4:52:18 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: BilLies
"How big is a pinhead?.... The head of a pin is about 2mm in diameter."

Algore is much much bigger than that

43 posted on 05/23/2012 5:19:04 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Still Thinking
Even then, is it actually possible to take measurements from miles up in space and know that the baseline or reference altitude is stable enough to trust millimeter-scale measurements either?

It is possible if you make enough assumptions in your model. Remember the model airplanes as a kid, they weren't REAL.
44 posted on 05/23/2012 5:41:44 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: Still Thinking
Even then, is it actually possible to take measurements from miles up in space and know that the baseline or reference altitude is stable enough to trust millimeter-scale measurements either?

It is possible if you make enough assumptions in your model. Remember the model airplanes as a kid, they weren't REAL.
45 posted on 05/23/2012 5:43:33 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: neverdem
First of all - let's just assume that a 1.8mm rise in the oceans, globally, is measurable. I don't believe it. But, let's just assume that.

That's less than an inch per decade. Or, about 8 inches per century.

I think we can adapt.

Whatta bunch of hysteria.

46 posted on 05/23/2012 6:02:33 AM PDT by wbill
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To: neverdem

No one can possibly measure 1.8 millimeters of ocean difference. These liberals are simply making up numbers.


47 posted on 05/23/2012 6:08:39 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: neverdem

Such total BS! 99.999% of human water usage goes right back into the hydrologic cycle in a matter of hours, and the rest in days. The result is no less water, and no more water; just a matter of distribution.


48 posted on 05/23/2012 6:18:15 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: woofie

I don’t waste my money on that. I just mix 2 parts hydrogen with 1 part oxygen and make my own.


49 posted on 05/23/2012 6:19:32 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Still Thinking
Even then, is it actually possible to take measurements from miles up in space and know that the baseline or reference altitude is stable enough to trust millimeter-scale measurements either?

You are correct. There is a margin of error, allowing for atmospheric distortion of telemetry -- hence the "±7" disclaimer. When you have an increase of +3 and a margin of error higher than 3, the statistic is at worst misleading, at best useless, and in effect a wash. Time for a healthy grain of salt.

50 posted on 05/23/2012 7:16:16 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
It is possible if you make enough assumptions in your model. Remember the model airplanes as a kid, they weren't REAL.

So basically, "No". Or at least "Not with sufficient confidence to base policy on the results."

51 posted on 05/23/2012 7:23:04 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: wbill
I think we can adapt.

Adapt? Hell, we might not even NOTICE.

52 posted on 05/23/2012 7:29:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Graybeard58

The Way I understand it ALL the water on this planet came from somewhere else.


53 posted on 05/23/2012 7:33:12 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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54 posted on 05/23/2012 8:36:19 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Still Thinking
It is possible if you make enough assumptions in your model. Remember the model airplanes as a kid, they weren't REAL.
So basically, “No”. Or at least “Not with sufficient confidence to base policy on the results.”


We pretended (at least I did) that the model airplane was real and could fly until it crashed and broke when we threw in it the air.
55 posted on 05/23/2012 8:36:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Are we getting new water from outside our atmosphere?

NASA says about 100 tons of material hits the earth every day. Good thing the earth is so big.

Some of that will be water, probably not a lot.

I don’t have a number for how much material is stripped off the atmosphere by the solar wind, but I’m sure someone will ‘splain it to this cook.

/johnny

..............

Is there that much blue “ice” falling from the jets?

dihydrogenperoxide — caution, it may be the last thing you ever drink.


56 posted on 05/23/2012 10:32:04 AM PDT by my job (Proverbs 18:2 PLEASE, tell us what you REALLY think.)
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To: my job
Actually, NASA's numbers were from extra-terrestrial material hitting the earth. Every day. ;)

/johnny

57 posted on 05/23/2012 10:38:09 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: my job
dihydrogenperoxide — caution, it may be the last thing you ever drink.

Interesting. Reminds me of the insidious substance -- "bread":

1. More than 98 percent of convicted felons are serial (cereal?) bread users.

2. Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.

3. In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.

4. More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.

5. Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!

6. Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, and osteoporosis.

7. Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.

8. Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.

9. Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.

10. Newborn babies can choke on bread.

11. Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.

12. Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.

In light of these frightening statistics, it has been proposed that the following bread restrictions be made:

1. No sale of bread to minors.

2. A nationwide "Just Say No To Toast" campaign, complete celebrity TV spots and bumper stickers.

3. A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.

4. No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.

5. The establishment of "Bread-free" zones around schools.

58 posted on 05/23/2012 10:41:44 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Myrddin

>> “There are huge balls of water ice hitting the planet all the time.” <<

.
Small Comets: http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/blackspot.html


59 posted on 05/23/2012 4:37:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: al_c

Sounds like your one of those who want to ban dihydrogen monoxide. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html


60 posted on 05/23/2012 5:49:07 PM PDT by xp38
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