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Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Nurse-refuses-student-inhaler-during-asthma-attack/-/1637132/13560430/-/wm13uaz/-/index.html ^ | May 21 2012 | Shaun Chaiyabhat

Posted on 05/23/2012 2:21:14 AM PDT by Daffynition

Volusia County School officials stand by a Deltona High School nurse's decision to refuse a student his inhaler during an asthma attack, citing a lack of a parent's signature on a medical release form.

"It's like something out of a horror film. The person just sits there and watches you die," said Michael Rudi, 17. "She sat there, looked at me and she did nothing."

He said the school dean found his inhaler during a search of his locker last Friday. The inhaler was still in its original packaging -- complete with his name and directions for its use; however, the school took it away because his mother hadn't signed the proper form for him to have it.

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To: Truth29
It may be the way the article is written, but it sounds like the nurse locked the student in her office when he had his asthma attack and just watched him through the window in the door. That almost sounds like depraved indifference or an attempt to murder him.

That's what the article says, and also in the video:

"As soon as we opened up the door, we saw my son collapsing against the wall on the floor of the nurse's office while she was standing in the window of the locked door looking down at my son, who was in full-blown asthma attack," Rudi said.

Michael Rudi said when he started to pass out from his attack, the nurse locked the door.

It does sound like depraved indifference. It's a bureaucratic response: she CANNOT be fired for following policy to the letter, even if he died. She COULD be fired if she deviated from policy. Therefore, holding that her job was of supreme importance, she followed policy. I've seen that mindset in many places.

I would fire her, the school administrator, AND the guy who wrote the policy.

51 posted on 05/23/2012 5:14:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Sorry for the duplicate post. Went to post and wanted to add one more thing. Thought I’d canceled in time.

Oops.


52 posted on 05/23/2012 5:14:20 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: netmilsmom

Or you could live in a country that has no rules, or inhalers like ...maybe...Zimbabwe or Somalia.

At one point the boy had the inhaler in his possesion. Isn’t the doctor’s name on that prescription? Isn’t that a medical permission?


53 posted on 05/23/2012 5:17:09 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Should have wrapped the inhaler in a condum, they would have been A-OK with it then.


54 posted on 05/23/2012 5:19:23 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
and yet... if this was a girl who wanted an abortion you can be sure that they would be speeding her to the nearest abortion provider without the parents consent.

Yep - deny aspirin for no parental consent and dole out morning-after pills without parental knowledge/consent.

55 posted on 05/23/2012 5:24:30 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Daffynition
Not being a lawyer I'm unfamiliar with the potential intricacies of such a situation.But it seems pretty clear that this nurse should have either given the kid his/her inhaler *or* should have called an ambulance for the kid.
56 posted on 05/23/2012 5:28:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: bmwcyle

Please don’t get me started on Family court. I have been a bystander at several of those ‘hearings’. I even know a man who committed suicide in the parking lot after the court got done ruining his life. When the judge was told he didn’t even bat an eye and just went onto the next case.

It won’t be me, but I know enough of human behavior to see that if there is a SHTF scenario bad enough that many of the Judges and Lawyers will be visited by their former cases and the visit won’t be a good one.


57 posted on 05/23/2012 5:28:44 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Daffynition

If i was that nurse I would risk ‘arrest’ or ‘firing’ before I would let a child suffer and maybe die. I cannot comprehend this.


58 posted on 05/23/2012 5:29:31 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Daffynition
The standard Nuremberg defense: “I only did what I was told.”

It is here folks.

59 posted on 05/23/2012 5:33:06 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: Daffynition

>>Or you could live in a country that has no rules, or inhalers like ...maybe...Zimbabwe or Somalia.<<

Or you could transport back in time to 1970s America when people knew that kids with Asthma needed inhalers, whether a parent signed a consent form or not.

There’s rules, then there are stupid rules.


60 posted on 05/23/2012 5:35:26 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: wesagain

School nurses are not educators. They’re never called “educators.” They’re nurses.


61 posted on 05/23/2012 5:46:12 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Not here in Texas they wouldn’t.


62 posted on 05/23/2012 6:06:07 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: netmilsmom

That’s the thing about rules. They can seem stupid except when they’re needed. You know, of course, that students with inhalers have been known to share them with friends hoping for a high? [I saw it happen at the middle school where I taught — more than once.] You know, of course, that high school students buy and sell stolen prescription medication at high schools, right?
NOTE: This is not intended as a defense of the school nurse who could clearly see the student’s unopened packaged with patient name printed on it.


63 posted on 05/23/2012 6:11:07 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: napscoordinator
Stupid parents....couldn’t sign the dang form?

Do you have, or have you recently had, kids go through school? I did, and I can't count the hundreds of signatures that the schools asked for at various times. I don't know where they store the bushels of signed forms they ask for.

There's so many that it's easy to miss one.

64 posted on 05/23/2012 6:13:40 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: napscoordinator
Stupid parents....couldn’t sign the dang form?

Simply amazing that all your anger is directed at the parents based on unknown facts rather than at the school nurse based on known facts. Fact 1 - the nurse refused to administer medication to a KNOWN asthmatic and did not call 911 for a child who was having breathing distress. Fact 2 - they couldn't find the signed parental slip for a child who is a KNOWN asthmatic. You sound like you're absolving the school of any misconduct but place all the blame on "lazy parents" based on unknown facts. What a pompous ass you are!

65 posted on 05/23/2012 6:15:56 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Clara Lou

>>They can seem stupid except when they’re needed. <<

Welcome to the USSA, Comrade.


66 posted on 05/23/2012 6:27:22 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Daffynition
This kid had a form on file for several years. When it wasn't filled out, why didn't the nurse make an effort to call the mom to get it filled out before it was necessary. Our school nurse would have done that way ahead of when it would have been needed.

Barring that, 911 should have been immediately called. The nurse is wrong....almost dead wrong! This kid had a history and that says a lot.

67 posted on 05/23/2012 6:34:28 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I just try to stay out of the fray...)
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To: yldstrk
I think a state of emergency overcomes lack of a permission slip.

It sure does on the radio. No matter what sort of radio license you have (or don't), when you are in a real emergency, the FCC and everybody else will tell you, use whatever equipment is at hand and transmit on whatever frequency it will work on to get help. If anybody gets a citation in that situation, it will be the one who interferes with the emergency communications, not the one who is in trouble.

68 posted on 05/23/2012 6:50:44 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Truth29

It may have been a rule, there may have not been a form on file... it really doesn’t matter. What has been violated here is a code of decency, common sense and morality.

She would have allowed this boy to stay in her office and let him die. Same as attempted man slaughter isn’t it? Doesn’t anybody see that this woman lacks the good sense and humanity to even live amongst us? How can she be a nurse and minister to people, let alone children, in need of help. She is nothing but a parasite taking money from the public. Only a sociopath would watch a child or any person, no matter what he or his parents had or had not done, smother to death in his own mucous.

There are so many good examples of how this is wrong. The good Samaritan who ministered on a Sabbath, the trials at Nuremberg where the criminals against humanity were “only following the law” or “orders”.

This even goes to responsibility to do the right thing even when nobody else does.

I would hire the biggest, baddest, most successful, rottweiler lawyer I could find and only ask for expenses as my “cut” of the settlement. There has to be one out there who wants to give this a shot.

I hate lawsuits and they are part of the reason we live in this mess we do but I’m willing to make an exception here.


69 posted on 05/23/2012 7:07:45 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Daffynition

Its called the “God of Government” ...and you will die unless you conform immediately...and perfectly.


70 posted on 05/23/2012 7:09:24 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: netmilsmom

I’ll forgive you for making a STUPID remark AND excerpting without context. Sort of Alinskyish, I think


71 posted on 05/23/2012 7:10:40 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: CAluvdubya

That’s what every school nurse I’ve worked with has done— call home at the beginning of the year and then as needed.


72 posted on 05/23/2012 7:12:18 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
"He said the school dean found his inhaler during a search of his locker last Friday. The inhaler was still in its original packaging -- complete with his name and directions for its use; however, the school took it away because his mother hadn't signed the proper form for him to have it. "
73 posted on 05/23/2012 7:28:41 AM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Clara Lou

74 posted on 05/23/2012 7:38:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: wesagain
What's your point since the school dean seems to have given it to the nurse after he found it because the article says, the school nurse made a "decision to refuse a student his inhaler during an asthma attack, citing a lack of a parent's signature on a medical release form"?
Apparently, the stupid nurse (not an "educator") didn't see fit to let the dean (an "educator") or any other supervisor know that she had a collapsing student on her hands.
75 posted on 05/23/2012 7:40:04 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: netmilsmom

Likeswise.


76 posted on 05/23/2012 7:41:37 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: yldstrk

True, but then you need to assume that the ;Nurse and Administrator’s have an IQ above that of a rock.


77 posted on 05/23/2012 7:47:57 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: The Working Man
the real culprit for that lack of common sense can be laid at the feet of the Trial-lawyers.

I can't believe the people here are quick to jump on the nurse...the same people who whould blame her if she had given it to him and he died.

School nurses don't write school policies.

I doubt she would have "let him die." But don't blame the nurse...blame the policy!

Truth is schools are blamed for all problems in society today...including what once was considered parental responsibilities.

If I had had to work in a H.S. I would be on death row!

78 posted on 05/23/2012 8:00:26 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Daffynition

america’s youth is dying and legal mumbo jumbo and incompetence and a liberal agenda is killing them,


79 posted on 05/23/2012 8:19:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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80 posted on 05/23/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: netmilsmom; PeterPrinciple

Something worth reading and remembrance of our old friend, Common Sense, who has become not-so-common in the last 10-15 years.....I personally feel it is because of all the Boomers who came out of the Hippie Era. They didn't share their parents view of the world (based on Common Sense) and as they became the same establishment they railed against in their youth, they implemented their own warped & shallow values on society...bringing on the demise of common sense.

My parents came through the Great Depression and World War 2. They instilled in me and my siblings, a greater sense of dedication to country, community and helping others than the self centered hippies ever had....The Hippies were given the same lesson by their parents too but they decided it was better to reject their parents values.

They told their children nonsense like, " It's all about you", "Do what feels good", " Everyone is special" and other drivel that created a generation of self centered fools who are the hallmark of the idiots we see who are on TV babbling to Oprah and Dr. Phil that they can't handle their lives. The very same fools who would elect the empty suit in the White House or Pelosi in California.

I mourn the loss of "Common Sense" and would like to see his values returned to our American way of life. It is sorely needed now more than ever.


THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE
By Lori Borgman

Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes and factories, and helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple credos: sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and winning isn't everything (it's okay to come in second).

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived trends including body piercing, whole language, and "new math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally, when a woman, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, was awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, and stepladders. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers and a stepsister: My Rights, Only Me and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Note: This piece was first published March 15, 1998 in the Indianpolis Star.

http://www.loriborgman.com/


81 posted on 05/23/2012 8:22:54 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

You poor thing! What if you were the teacher and had to keep up with yours and every other kid’s papers!


82 posted on 05/23/2012 8:24:42 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Daffynition
I like this one too...
83 posted on 05/23/2012 8:31:10 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom
That one is great too!

Maybe this nurse didn't have the *form* to fill out from *Information Retrieval* to call 911. :(


84 posted on 05/23/2012 8:37:53 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

LOL!
That must be it.


85 posted on 05/23/2012 8:40:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Daffynition

Well there are many things going on here that impact the delivery of health care to the population at large. First it’s called the State Board of Nursing. Yes, another government organization built out of good intention but run amok due to our legal system. Unfortunately The state board of Nursing is not there to promote advocacy of nursing but rather to “protect” the general public from unsafe nursing practices. A nurse may not prescribe medications or administer medications without a physicians order and consent of the patient. The fact that the boy had an inhaler in his locker with his name on it is only part of the equation. The other part is consent. The parents must consent in this instance because the child is a minor. Yes, the legal system has caused this. One would not want a school nurse giving out medications that the parent does not consent to. (But wait we can give minors abortions without parental consent) The fact that there is a prescription is only part of the equation. If this nurse gave the inhaler to this child her licence would be immediately pulled and she would be out of work. It unfortunately does not matter that common sense indicates use of the inhaler immediately. Should the nurse administer an epinepherine injection to a patient who is having a reaction to a bee sting? (Same thing, patient has an epi pen with prescription but is a minor) Unfortunately this too is outside the practice guidelines of a registered nurse, which I assume she is even though the article does not say this.
As bad as this may seem it protects the public from overzealous nursing practice. There is no common sense clause in this law at all. Do I agree with it? No. Should 911 have been called? Absolutely! But don’t start a lynch mob on the school nurse when she/he has had his/her hands bound by the law with repercussion of licence forfiture. This is a health care delivery problem that has unfortunately been placed on the law books by good intentions run amok. Parents need to ensure that all medical records are up to date at their childs school and that the emergency number actually works for parental notification. If this had happened the nurse could have recieved telephonic consent to administer the inhaler to the child immediately.
Another case of big government run amok I say.


86 posted on 05/23/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by timlilje
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To: napscoordinator

Yes, please ensure all your forms are signed. /s

Buy into the idea of school control. Allow the idea that your child could die because the school withholds, WITHHOLDS, a legally prescribed drug carried by your child to be used.

You are an enabler of the very system that kills children through their ‘control’.


87 posted on 05/23/2012 8:45:59 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: thulldud
It sure does on the radio. No matter what sort of radio license you have (or don't), when you are in a real emergency, the FCC and everybody else will tell you, use whatever equipment is at hand and transmit on whatever frequency it will work on to get help. If anybody gets a citation in that situation, it will be the one who interferes with the emergency communications, not the one who is in trouble.

Yup. Rules written back before we became a socialist state run by sociopaths. 

IIRC, there were a couple of questions on the HAM exam about that very issue. OTOH, falsely declaring an emergency to get priority will prompt folks to lower the boom on you.

88 posted on 05/23/2012 8:46:42 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: timlilje
"As bad as this may seem it protects the public from overzealous nursing practice. There is no common sense clause in this law at all. Do I agree with it? No. Should 911 have been called? Absolutely! But don’t start a lynch mob on the school nurse when she/he has had his/her hands bound by the law with repercussion of licence forfiture. This is a health care delivery problem that has unfortunately been placed on the law books by good intentions run amok. Parents need to ensure that all medical records are up to date at their childs school and that the emergency number actually works for parental notification. If this had happened the nurse could have recieved telephonic consent to administer the inhaler to the child immediately. Another case of big government run amok I say."

Well, if the article is accurate, and I do say IF, the nurse not only didn't give him the inhaler, she also did not call 911, locked him in the office as he had the asthma attack and watched him through a window in the locked door. This is depraved indifference and she should be accordingly charged.

89 posted on 05/23/2012 8:50:43 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: timlilje

In this video Mom says, she was on her way to the school, AND to call 911...nurse said she was leaving at 2:00...and claims the nurse didn’t want to help her son.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/school-nurse-denies-teen-inhaler-mother-says/1d0yaja6q

Apparently the mother has filed charges against the nurse..


90 posted on 05/23/2012 9:37:29 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

91 posted on 05/23/2012 9:40:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: CitizenUSA
"It’s like the Good Samaritan story in the Bible. Who was good? Was it those who would have let the traveler die rather than render aid on the Sabbath (obeying the law), or the Samaritan? The Samaritan violated the letter of the law, but he obeyed the spirit of the law."

What was the "spirit of the law" in not working / rendering aid on the Sabbath?

92 posted on 05/23/2012 11:01:32 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: KosmicKitty

I kept excedrine in my backpack, because tylenol was worthless for migraines. I also kept an inhaler. However, my father wrote a letter to the nurse. Didn’t hurt that he’s a doctor.


93 posted on 05/23/2012 11:07:39 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: James C. Bennett

“What was the “spirit of the law” in not working / rendering aid on the Sabbath?”

The letter of the law was do no work on the Sabbath. The spirit of the law was keeping the Sabbath holy by loving and serving a neighbor in need. The Good Samaritan kept the spirit of the Sabbath.


94 posted on 05/23/2012 12:10:24 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: lonestar
You poor thing! What if you were the teacher and had to keep up with yours and every other kid’s papers!

Haha, but with all due respect, this is a different issue.

To expect that parents will get every form, that they will sign every form, that the kids will faultlessly return every form, and that the school will properly file and not misplace every form, is a bit naive. It is also short-sightedly authoritarian and legalistic to put the presence of absence of a particular form in the legally superior position of gating potentially lifesaving medical help to a student in need.

95 posted on 05/23/2012 12:22:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Daffynition
"It's like something out of a horror film. The person just sits there and watches you die," said Michael Rudi, 17. "She sat there, looked at me and she did nothing."

Apparently...Rudi, did not die.

96 posted on 05/23/2012 12:25:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (God is my Co-Pilot.)
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To: CitizenUSA

The ‘spirit’ you mention and the letter of that Sabbath law are totally unlinked, which is why I asked you the question.

How can the disobedience of a supposedly divine law be ‘holy’?


97 posted on 05/23/2012 12:43:37 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Clara Lou
I beg to differ.........

I've known plenty of nurses..that are educators.

98 posted on 05/23/2012 12:52:51 PM PDT by Osage Orange (God is my Co-Pilot.)
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To: James C. Bennett

I’m not sure I understand your point. The Good Samaritan performed labor on the Sabbath. The priest and Levite who walked past the wounded traveler did no work on the Sabbath. They obeyed the letter of the law. The Samaritan, on the other hand, kept the spirit of the law. He kept the Sabbath holy by showing love and compassion for his neighbor, the wounded traveler. Do you think the Good Samaritan behaved improperly, i.e. against God’s will?


99 posted on 05/23/2012 1:13:23 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CrouchingTiger620; null and void

I really think that I’d attack a person who did that, let that happen, to my young and helpless child!


100 posted on 05/23/2012 1:32:33 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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