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Groups Concerned Over Arming Of Domestic Drones
CBS ^ | 5/23/12 | staff

Posted on 05/23/2012 11:54:42 AM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – With the use of domestic drones increasing, concern has not just come up over privacy issues, but also over the potential use of lethal force by the unmanned aircraft.

Drones have been used overseas to target and kill high-level terror leaders and are also being used along the U.S.-Mexico border in the battle against illegal immigration. But now, these drones are starting to be used domestically at an increasing rate.

The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.

Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.

(Excerpt) Read more at washington.cbslocal.com ...


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Ah, I feel so safe now.
1 posted on 05/23/2012 11:54:48 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

You just know they have Hellfire missiles mounted on some of them, and not the ones patrolling the southern border, if they even have any.


2 posted on 05/23/2012 11:58:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Nachum
Ah! Rubber bullets today bombs tomorrow. As for gas, well mustard would be better. /s/
3 posted on 05/23/2012 11:59:07 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Nachum

Some tech savvy folks will have fun taking over these drones. Flying these over US cities will be quite different from flying drones over 9th century hellholes.


4 posted on 05/23/2012 12:01:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Logical me

They intend to use these on us, folks...


5 posted on 05/23/2012 12:02:52 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

The Patriot Act caused libs to tear their hair out about Bush, but silence on this.


6 posted on 05/23/2012 12:05:39 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Nachum

Well that was fast wasn’t it? They announced the drones a few weeks ago and now they admit they will arm them.

Not that I didn’t think they would. Of course they will.


7 posted on 05/23/2012 12:05:52 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eat my dog!)
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To: Nachum

not good. must think of counter measures, etc


8 posted on 05/23/2012 12:12:48 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: ├čudda├čudd

“The first person to shoot one of these down will be an instant folk here.” Charles Krauthammer.


9 posted on 05/23/2012 12:17:19 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ├čudda├čudd

“The first person to shoot one of these down will be an instant folk hero.” Charles Krauthammer.


10 posted on 05/23/2012 12:17:28 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Nachum

Based upon FAA regulations (25 lbs), the drones that are allowed to fly in and around civilian populations are too small to carry anything that is heavy.


11 posted on 05/23/2012 12:20:02 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: NY Attitude

How much does an autoloader 20 ga shotgun weigh, without the stock?


12 posted on 05/23/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NY Attitude

If the Constitution won’t stop them, I doubt a piddling FAA reg will have any effect.


13 posted on 05/23/2012 12:25:28 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: NY Attitude
I'd like for the mandarins to argue thier case. I can see it now, not only should we arm Drones, but street corner cameras as well. That is not a large leap.

However, in less than twenty years, we will be debating if the commons can use robots for self defense. SWAT and other police forces will be conducting raids and searches with robotic personnel.

The future is only speeding up. You old people are lucky, you won't have to deal with this nonsense.

14 posted on 05/23/2012 12:26:29 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: DBrow

My guess would be including 6 rounds, about 6 pounds.


15 posted on 05/23/2012 12:28:07 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Nachum

The police can’t legally shoot someone unless they have an immediate fear for their life or another’s. That’s going to be hard to justify when they are munching donuts in a remote trailer.


16 posted on 05/23/2012 12:28:07 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: MrB

My fear as well and I think it’s something they look forward to using.


17 posted on 05/23/2012 12:30:14 PM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA! OMG PLEASE vote ABO or OWW and our Country dies.)
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To: Nachum

These drones are not all that special any more.

There are hobbyist groups that build and fly their own drones...modern, inexpensive compact cameras with 40x optical zoom and
1080p optically stabilized imaging can be bought at Walmart.
The rf relaying of the live images can be done with cheap off-the-shelf rf modules.


18 posted on 05/23/2012 12:33:36 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Theoria

YUP We “old people” lived during the best of times thanks to the “Greatest generation”. I fear for what my children and grand kids will have to endure. I best stop there.


19 posted on 05/23/2012 12:37:53 PM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA! OMG PLEASE vote ABO or OWW and our Country dies.)
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To: Reeses
The police can’t legally shoot someone unless they have an immediate fear for their life or another’s. That’s going to be hard to justify when they are munching donuts in a remote trailer.

A guy fleeing pursuit doing 120mph would qualify as an immediate danger to others on the road. A few news videos of cars being riddled would reduce the number of dangerous chases considerably.

20 posted on 05/23/2012 12:38:49 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Nachum

Are they preparing for CWII ?


21 posted on 05/23/2012 12:43:24 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Lurker
“The first person to shoot one of these down will be an instant folk here.” Charles Krauthammer.

Texas dove hunters will have a new bird to be on the look-out for.

22 posted on 05/23/2012 12:43:44 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum

There are probably thousands of very good skeet/trap shooter in the country.


23 posted on 05/23/2012 12:44:27 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Nachum

Since the status of Americans has been lowered to that of potential domestic terrorists then that makes them equal to foreign, Muzzie terrorists. And all those terrorists need killin’, right?

Fire away, Feds.

Will rewards be issued by the New Black Pampers for the shooting down of drones (armed or not)?


24 posted on 05/23/2012 12:44:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Equality does have consequences.


25 posted on 05/23/2012 12:45:57 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Lurker

I heard him say that,,, but beleive that shooting at one is bad advice at this point...


26 posted on 05/23/2012 12:46:29 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: Nachum

No need to result to firepower where a flamethrower will work just fine. Drones of this size and type flying below 400’ can be jammed out of the sky by anyone with a little skill.


27 posted on 05/23/2012 1:03:32 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: NY Attitude

Most laws exempt police/military. If they don’t, they will.


28 posted on 05/23/2012 1:08:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Nachum

To heck with ARMING domestic drones...and I the only person in the world who sees a problem in HAVING them in the first place????!!!


29 posted on 05/23/2012 1:10:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Nachum

What about airspace?
Drone v airliner.


30 posted on 05/23/2012 1:14:01 PM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: Lurker

I think it was Judge Napolitano, not C.K..


31 posted on 05/23/2012 1:15:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: ctdonath2

Currently, it is a matter of safety of flight to not encounter, interfere or collide with civilian air traffic.


32 posted on 05/23/2012 1:56:19 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Equality does have consequences.

If you're referencing the 14th Amendment, that was one of the pithiest statements I've ever read on the Net.

33 posted on 05/23/2012 2:02:26 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: MrB

No kidding. Just like they armed their armed their helicopters.


34 posted on 05/23/2012 2:05:17 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Wurlitzer
There are probably thousands of very good skeet/trap shooter in the country.

When I was in USAF flight school they had us shoot skeet on 'weather days'. It was to improve our skill in air-to-air combat. I don't think that I've lost the eye. "Pull you SOB..Pull"

35 posted on 05/23/2012 2:16:32 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Talisker

It is a stab at that as well as how the Left has so mis-used and abused the word, “equality.”


36 posted on 05/23/2012 2:23:05 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum
The FReepers that claimed drones were only flying over the US due to "testing" for the military should be arriving any minute now to tell us we have nothing to fear.

.......any minute.......

37 posted on 05/23/2012 2:28:51 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Gator113; All

I live in Montgomery County, Texas, and that’s the county where Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel is.

I was stunned to read this whole article and read my county has a drone.

Consider this: If a county sheriff considers certain people to be his enemies, political or otherwise, now he has the capability to spy on his personal enemy list and is considering arming, or has already armed, this drone with rubber bullets and tear gas.

He could say he suspects a person has done “x” and there goes the bullets/tear gas. This is directly opposed to “innocent until proven guilty.” Also, a “we made a mistake” could be used but the person is already hit with bullets/tear gas and everyone in the county would think that person is a bad guy or bad woman or wouldn’t have been subjected to this - the person’s reputation is gone.

This is another way to destroy an innocent person. This is too much power to give to a sheriff or anyone else.

There is a drone in my county - do you want one in yours?


38 posted on 05/23/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Chickensoup

“To heck with ARMING domestic drones...and I the only person in the world who sees a problem in HAVING them in the first place????!!!”

Questions:
What’s the difference between having a helicopter or plane vs. a drone overhead patrolling your city?

What’s the difference between armed drones and armed helicopters or planes? (Like you, I want neither)

What makes armed drones WORSE than armed helicopters or armed planes?

Why hasn’t the government armed helicopters or planes when they’ve had 50+ years to do so, but can’t wait to arm drones?

I have to imagine you are you anti-helicopter and anti-plane for the same reasons you are anti-drone, correct?


39 posted on 05/23/2012 4:58:01 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Nachum
The borders have been wide open for decades. There's no control over visa over stays.

We have LEOs and the feds anxious to fly drones, armed or not, over our land. For safety.

Ever heard of a more outrageous contradiction?
40 posted on 05/23/2012 5:08:34 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: Chickensoup
To heck with ARMING domestic drones...and I the only person in the world who sees a problem in HAVING them in the first place????!!!

I do, but unfortunately I live in Texas and we seem to be running out of Conservatives who care any more, as we were the first state to have local law enforcement running drones, and our cities are putting up cameras to watch us as fast as they can afford to (or the taxpayers can afford to).
41 posted on 05/23/2012 5:28:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Owl558
What makes armed drones WORSE than armed helicopters or armed planes?

Not many local law enforcement agencies can afford Apaches (Lord knows they'd buy them if they could) and there is something psychological about an armed helicopter or aircraft being operated by a local law enforcement agency.

But drones, drones are easy to sell to the idiot masses. All you have to do is mention terrorism, drugs, firefighting, search and rescue. And drones would be fine IF you could keep them in check.

The problem is mission creep plus a complacent group of sheeple, I mean citizens. Montgomery county in Texas that felt it needs to monitor its citizens, they are talking about arming their drones, and I have yet to see a concentrated effort to remove its public officials from office.

If Obama said the FBI was going to have drones monitoring a Texas county, people would flip out. But hey, as long as it's just the local Sheriff's department, it's okay.
42 posted on 05/23/2012 5:33:31 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: EEGator

No, it was Krauthammer.


43 posted on 05/23/2012 6:31:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MrB

Yes, they are, this may be one of the reasons why 0bama remains confident he will be re-elected.


44 posted on 05/23/2012 7:17:34 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: af_vet_rr

“The problem is mission creep plus a complacent group of...citizens”

Thank you, excellent answer and stuff to consider. I don’t want armed anything flying around my city, county or state. The platform used is incidental, which was the point of my questions. I’d be against them arming blimps, if that was the proposal. Flying things are great survailance tools, but just as subject to the constitution as any other government/police tool.

As you point out, a complacent public in the face of grasping government is the real danger here.

“Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step over the ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!— All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the
Blue Ridge, in a trial of a Thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” —Abraham Lincoln 1838.

Dang dude, now you went and made me quote Lincoln.


45 posted on 05/23/2012 7:40:38 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: TigersEye

Okay. I’ve just seen it attributed to both here on FR. It just sounded more like the Judge to me.


46 posted on 05/23/2012 7:48:27 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
I guess I can't categorically state that Judge Napolitano hasn't said that but I did hear CK say it on Special Report.

Charles Krauthammer : First guy that brings a Domestic Drone down will be a folk hero (May 14, 2012) (video 2:01)

I'm not sure why Kraut is characterizing his opinion as "hard-left liberatarian" but I agree with him. No Fed drones over the U.S.

47 posted on 05/23/2012 8:29:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Owl558

What’s the difference between having a helicopter or plane vs. a drone overhead patrolling your city?
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No difference as far as I am concerned. I find them all terrible.
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What’s the difference between armed drones and armed helicopters or planes? (Like you, I want neither)
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There isn’t any, all terrible.
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What makes armed drones WORSE than armed helicopters or armed planes?
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All terrible, Drones are killer and spy robots that can get up close and personal.
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Why hasn’t the government armed helicopters or planes when they’ve had 50+ years to do so, but can’t wait to arm drones?
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I have no idea. Drones have cameras and infra red and can get up close and personal with their targets. Horrifying!

I have to imagine you are you anti-helicopter and anti-plane for the same reasons you are anti-drone, correct?

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Yes


48 posted on 05/23/2012 8:34:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Army Air Corps; Black Agnes; Lazamataz; CodeToad; Squantos

Easier said than done. At operational altitudes, drones are invisible and silent from the ground. (Not counting “toy” drones owned by small town PDs.) They use encrypted frequency hopping commo channels. The only way for now to counter the drones would be to attack them and their handlers on the ground. Since they are operated from military bases by and large, it would be quite a trick to attack them. I see no way for the individual citizen to counter them while they are in the air.


49 posted on 05/24/2012 4:29:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I have a few thoughts right off the rip that I will not share publicly. Might be effective counters out there.


50 posted on 05/24/2012 4:31:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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