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‘Barcode everyone at birth’ (Mark of the Beast?)
bbc.com ^ | 5/22/12 | Elizabeth Moon

Posted on 05/23/2012 2:28:02 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

Each week a global thinker from the worlds of philosophy, science, psychology or the arts is given a minute to put forward a radical, inspiring or controversial idea – no matter how improbable – that they believe would change the world.

This week science fiction writer Elizabeth Moon argues that everyone should be given a barcode at birth.

“If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached - a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals.

It would be imprinted on everyone at birth. Point the scanner at someone and there it is.

Having such a unique barcode would have many advantages. In war soldiers could easily differentiate legitimate targets in a population from non combatants.

This could prevent mistakes in identity, mistakes that result in the deaths of innocent bystanders. Weapons systems would record the code of the use, identifying how fired which shot and leading to more accountability in the field.

Anonymity would be impossible as would mistaken identity making it easier to place responsibility accurately, not only in war but also in non-combat situations far from the war.”

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; markofthebeast
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“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16-17
1 posted on 05/23/2012 2:28:08 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

Can’t IMAGINE how that system could be abused by either hackers or government. Nope. Can’t imagine.

I’m sure such in the hands of an Obama type ethical regime would be a great thing. Yup...


2 posted on 05/23/2012 2:32:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Evil Slayer
Oh for heaven's sake...
3 posted on 05/23/2012 2:32:45 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Evil Slayer

I’m inclined to think of the Revelation passage as a spiritual reference. People will be required to pledge their allegiance to the Beast — a desperate imperfect counterfeit of the perfect God — in order to conduct their affairs. It will become a social necessity. But who knows — it could play out physically like this.

Anyhow, anyone who thinks that troops will tag themselves to be identified as the foe is dreaming.


4 posted on 05/23/2012 2:35:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: Evil Slayer; KevinDavis

Let me guess that Elizabeth Moon is proudly pro-abortion and a socialist too?

She wants that Brave New World so bad.


5 posted on 05/23/2012 2:36:00 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Utopianists have never been the most rational thinkers.


6 posted on 05/23/2012 2:37:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Evil Slayer

Her one supposedly positive example is on the battlefield, where it most assuredly could and would go wrong.

“Battle is a highly fluid situation.” — Vic Deakins (John Travolta), Broken Arrow


7 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:17 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: GeronL

Let’s see how gung ho she is when she finds the New State likes her books so much it takes over the copyright and she gets no more royalties (that would be very capitalistically bad of her as a New Citizen).


8 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: Evil Slayer

It shocking is that people would entertain such a notion, for even an instant.

It is as if some terrible madness is sweeping the planet.


9 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Evil Slayer

The UK is leading the death of West so seeing this is not a surprise at all. When the UK adopts it we will follow right along.


10 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:33 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Evil Slayer

If it was by the nipple would it be the

Mark of the Breast?

Frankly I already have too many identifying marks,
mostly scars.


11 posted on 05/23/2012 2:42:44 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BenLurkin

Given the direction of modern technologies, the barcode sounds quaintly old fashioned if anything. The killer app would be a registry of all DNA. There might even be a way of telling identical twins or tuplets apart due to mitochondrial DNA (or fall back on fingerprints for that case). Getting DNA could become as easy as getting some dead skin with some Scotch tape lightly applied.


12 posted on 05/23/2012 2:42:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

- Mommy where does tyranny come from?

-Dreamers honey, dreamers

(like almost everything else)


13 posted on 05/23/2012 2:43:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Evil Slayer

I see a big run on the services of Amish midwives...from outside the Amish community.


14 posted on 05/23/2012 2:46:11 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Evil Slayer
In war soldiers could easily differentiate legitimate targets in a population from non combatants.

Yeah, our enemies will be quick to send us their IFF codes so we can tell the Taliban from Afghan civilians easily, especially when the only difference between some of them is whether they have had a chance to hide their weapons.

15 posted on 05/23/2012 2:46:38 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: BenLurkin

When men shrug off what has ordered their lives in the past, something else no matter how crazy sounding will fill the vacuum. We’ve had the blessing of living in a more or less Christianized society, and now have the curse of seeing its virtues fall by the boards.


16 posted on 05/23/2012 2:47:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: MCSP2008; Morgana; wagglebee

bump

Where does tyranny and slavery come from?

Utopia?


17 posted on 05/23/2012 2:48:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We have already been 'tagged'. You have to submit your DNA, and you go by a service number now called the Social Security number.

Ya know how you can tell if someone was in the service, ask if they know their social security number.

Secondly, we know that many, many people will get the mark, not all will refuse.

I don't know if the 'mark' is a literal number or something else. Just look at RFID in animals. Also called animal ID, or 'beast'. I have my own theories but, I don't think this barcode is one.


18 posted on 05/23/2012 2:48:42 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria

Never been in the service, but I still know what mine is. Put in for enough jobs and you have a reason to know. :-(


19 posted on 05/23/2012 2:52:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sad to hear it. Perhaps, you should try a different number. I hear Connecticut has various numbers that can be used.


20 posted on 05/23/2012 2:54:48 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Evil Slayer

“This way for the gas, ladies and gentlemen.”


21 posted on 05/23/2012 2:55:14 PM PDT by Argus
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To: samtheman

First Broken Arrow reference I’ve ever seen on the internet. :)


22 posted on 05/23/2012 3:01:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Evil Slayer

She represents the demographic of those who would implement such policy. They believe that they would be safer to implement yet other policies that lurk in their minds. See those favored constituents in the shadows. They’re in every locale.


23 posted on 05/23/2012 3:03:49 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Evil Slayer

Washington Mutual ad, 2002. For obvious reasons, both funny ha-ha and funny hmmmmm...

http://creativity-online.com/work/washington-mutual-head-scan/12366

(Yes, that’s Jane Lynch as the first teller, Tim DeKay from “White Collar” as the customer she tags, and (my personal favorite) Melissa McCarthy as the second teller. “I hate when these things don’t scan!”)


24 posted on 05/23/2012 3:09:37 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon. And man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: BenLurkin
It shocking is that people would entertain such a notion, for even an instant.

This was said about the aggrandizement of homosexuality only a couple of generations ago.

It is as if some terrible madness is sweeping the planet.

This is nothing compared...

25 posted on 05/23/2012 3:10:03 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Dow Jones closed at -6.66 today. What are the odds? Interesting.


26 posted on 05/23/2012 3:22:06 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: GeronL

Salve

No my friend. Utopia is a fantasy created in mind of human, why - for it is in human nature to live in harmony of life that was giving. Utopia is a recollection of before a fall in Garden of Eden. It is still in our hearts, missing a true peace, and touch of Love from God.

Utopia though now is just use for political agenda. It does not exist, for it can’t. It is imagination.

Tyranny and slavery are like brothers, we are slaves of a system, we are slaves because we as humans don’t know how to get along, it is all about Power, I am better then you, you are stupid, you are idiot, you don’t know what you talking about, you are a looser, I am dominant — Pride.

I will write this - if we as humans cannot understand each other on this Earth, and we go against each other, how can we be in Kingdom of God? Utopia lives, lies lives, reality is: choices.

Merci


27 posted on 05/23/2012 3:25:05 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: MCSP2008

Some of these people describe “Utopia” as a place where the state keeps you “safe”, feeds you, shelters you, gives you healthcare.....

Sounds exactly like a prison to me.


28 posted on 05/23/2012 3:29:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: MCSP2008

This author asking for the barcodes doesn’t have to explain what governments would do with it, I think those of us who can think for ourselves know already.

I agree with everything you wrote by the way.


29 posted on 05/23/2012 3:31:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Salve

Yes my friend, for they are looking not to hard work, accomplish something, they just exist not to live.

I call people like this parasite, like a virus.

Merci


30 posted on 05/23/2012 3:32:36 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: GeronL

Salve

You know author will not write what a government will do with information, we are intelligent enough to know how is already being use by different agencies.

I can assure you, many will take mark not because they have to, because they want to. Utopia for them is easy way out, and then………………
Merci


31 posted on 05/23/2012 3:40:10 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: MCSP2008

bump

That means thanks, I agree or just this is interesting.

All 3 this time.


32 posted on 05/23/2012 3:48:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Evil Slayer


33 posted on 05/23/2012 3:50:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Evil Slayer

Stupidity this grand should hurt.

As if enemy combatants would submit to being scanned.


34 posted on 05/23/2012 3:52:08 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: Evil Slayer

What an evil moron Elisabeth Moon is! We are already born with unique identifiers: finger prints. For all we know, the ultimate creator is keeping track of us, catagorizing us for end-time placement already. She can’t effectively mess with that.


35 posted on 05/23/2012 3:54:42 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Evil Slayer

This Elizabeth Moon is just doing a publicity-seeking outrage of the week. Such scoundrels do such things because it both gets them the publicity they crave, and it has no serious repercussions.

She probably sat in a coffee house and pondered what outrageous thing she could say that would be guaranteed to upset people.

“Hmmm... Prohibit the owning of dogs and cats? A total prohibition of tobacco use? Wait, I’ve got it, chip implants and bar codes! That will annoy people!”


36 posted on 05/23/2012 3:54:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: GeronL
Utopianists have never been the most rational thinkers.

Funny how these type of people consider themselves 'intellectuals', when in point of fact, there can be no such thing as an 'intellectual' socialist. The abject failure of socialism every time it's tried never prevents these 'intellectuals' from continuing to push socialism.

You cannot thing rationally when you suffer from such severe cognitive dissonance. And in reality, there is no difference between these people and religious cultists--the end results are always the same--many many dead people.
37 posted on 05/23/2012 4:00:20 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: GeronL

Merci


38 posted on 05/23/2012 4:00:32 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

How can something so absolutely cliché be considered outrageous.
It’s astounding that the BBC knocked this one out.


39 posted on 05/23/2012 4:08:04 PM PDT by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon. -- Michael Rothschild)
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To: rottndog; GeronL

Salve

Results are based of human behavior, and there will always be death, for it is all about one thing: Power. And death is part of life. We are born to die.

Merci


40 posted on 05/23/2012 4:08:14 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: MCSP2008
Results are based of human behavior, and there will always be death, for it is all about one thing: Power.

Here again is another major failing of socialist thinking...the power they seek is the power to change human behavior. To do this they must do the one thing that has been proven over and over again to be impossible--change human nature. More blood has been spilled in this one futile endeavor than all others in human history combined.

This one fact alone is why socialists can be put in one of two categories--EITHER they are completely ignorant of history (as most victims of public education are), OR they stick to their beliefs with a cult-like zealotry and are beyond reason.
41 posted on 05/23/2012 4:24:01 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Evil Slayer

Actually, DNA is better than a barcode, it’s just a little less convenient to read.


42 posted on 05/23/2012 4:35:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: rottndog; GeronL

Salve

Yes, Yes , Yes

I am happy that there are so many people who know enemies lines of deceit and lies.

They are not ignorant friend, they want young people to indoctrinate and become ignorant, they don’t want parents of full morality tell kids the truth of life, they don’t want children to learn that homosexuality is wrong, that certain behavior leads to death, no, for they are already dead they want them dead.

They don’t want young girls to know true love of future husband, no, they want young girls to be raised on commercials of pink colors and blue sky and prince who will pay all the bills or work work work , you have time, by the time she will be in 30’s she will notice she was use.

No friend they don’t want truth that boys will be boys, and girls will be girls, and that two will become one to have real family,

No my friend, they will not tell truth of true obedience, respect parents, don’t use obscene words, be humble, smart and always show kindness,

No, for them is me I am better, I am this and do you know who I am? I accomplish this, and I have done that,

No friend, they will never say Thank God for what you have giving me, for I don’t deserve it.

It is their Utopia of lies.

Merci


43 posted on 05/23/2012 5:02:28 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: Evil Slayer

Ms. Moon, that would probably be a very prudent thing to do if you were empress of the universe. Prudent for you, that is. For everyone else, not so much. I don’t recall running across that in one of your books, but then I think I’ve only read ones co-written with Anne McCaffrey.


44 posted on 05/23/2012 5:10:03 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Evil Slayer

And if I ran things I’d immediately execute anyone promoting ideas as stupid as Lizzie Moon’s.


45 posted on 05/23/2012 5:20:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Having such a unique barcode would have many advantages. In war soldiers could easily differentiate legitimate targets in a population from non combatants.

How hilariously idealistic. What are the soldiers supposed to do, swipe everyone with a bar-code scanner before shooting 'em?

46 posted on 05/23/2012 6:01:14 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Evil Slayer

And illegal immigrants would still be able to vote in US elections because the Demonrats that passed the law requiring everyone have a bar code would fight tooth and nail to prevent it from being used at the voting booth because it might “disenfranchise poor and minorities”.


47 posted on 05/23/2012 6:14:59 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Evil Slayer
If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached - a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals.

If I were a farmer, I would want my livestock managed in the same way.

48 posted on 05/23/2012 8:21:28 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Evil Slayer

SF writers are largely Libertarian (both big L and small). Elizabeth is going to catch a lot of grief from the other SFWA members for this jackass statement.


49 posted on 05/23/2012 11:06:45 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: tet68

This is such an asinine idea it should be the “mark of the ass”.


50 posted on 05/23/2012 11:11:40 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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