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Hawaii's Non-Certification
5-23-12 | butterdezillion

Posted on 05/24/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion

What the Hawaii AG forced Bennett to do to his request for verification:

1. Withdraw the whole form he submitted. Because the form had no special directions, HRS 338-14.3 would require the HDOH to verify the accurate, legally-probative facts, and HI can't do that for Obama because his birth record is late and amended - and thus not legally probative as per HRS 338-17.

2. Keep the request for verification that asked the HDOH to verify what is on Obama's birth record. The HDOH can do that without claiming that any of those CLAIMS on the BC are actuallly accurate or legally valid.

3. Change the request from asking for verification that what Obama posted online is a "true and accurate representation of the record on file" - to asking if the INFORMATION on what Obama posted matches what is on file. This is necessary because what Obama posted is an ABSTRACT or composite of what is typed (the incomplete BC) and what is "actually written down" (the affidavits to support the late and amended filing). And it lacks the notations that it was late and amended.

This is why they had to C&P the document. The stamps on the real thing (the non-forged version, if they have one, at the HDOh) would have filled the empty space toward the top of the BC, and the notation of what evidence was submitted to support the late filing and amendment were right in the area where the seal was supposed to go.

I'd post the article which shows the documentation, but I don't know how to post a PDF. And I'd try to get this as a blogger post that serves as a new article in the special category in News/Acivism as per the new policy, but I don't know how to do that either. I'll ask for help from the mods.

In the first comment I'll give a clickable link to the article showing the documentation.


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial
KEYWORDS: barrysoebarkah; bennett; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; hawaii; indonesia; kenya; naturalborncitizen; verification
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To: butterdezillion
IMO and JMO...you need to post this again as a whole new post with a new title and include the HTML help you've gotten for ease of one stop shopping.

KUDOS and nicely done though otherwise.

61 posted on 05/24/2012 2:57:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: butterdezillion

This whole thing is like a merry-go-round. Round and round she goes , where she stops, nobody knows! And round and round she goes.

But STOP, she will.

Who wants to be the one holding Obama’s crap bag?

Can you imagine being some Kapolani administrator saying I want off? I didn’t sign up for this garbage.

The registrar?

Alvin T. Onaka?

Some selective service bureaucrat who see the writing on the wall?


62 posted on 05/24/2012 3:41:51 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion

Many FRiends praying for you. Keeping hope alive since 2008. :)


63 posted on 05/24/2012 3:54:58 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Smokeyblue

Seems to me that Alvin Onaka and former interim HDOH Director Neal Palafox are as good a bet as any. Payback would be sweet for Palafox, and staying out of jail would be a good deal for Onaka. Or it could be some of the “little people” who are just sick of the crap.

Something that floored me was when Abercrombie told Mike Evans the truth. And he actually balked and was probably mostly truthful to the Star-Advertiser columnist too. Makes me wonder if he’s a communist idealist and doesn’t even realize he’s been played for a fool. But then again, it was HE who ws claiming publicly that he saw Obama with SAD and BHO as a baby (even though he admitted to Mike Evans that the first he saw of Obama Jr was at T-ball age).

Interesting times. I suspect that Onaka - as Jill Nagamine’s “client” - told Nagamine that he CAN’T do a standard verification for Obama, so she and the other guy at the HI AG’s office know the real deal, as does Onaka. Of course, Fuddy knows because she claims to have seen the actual document and since they refused to say the forgery was a true and exact representation, that probably means anybody who saw the actual document knows Obama’s posted LFBC was a forgery. That includes Fukino.

And Okubo has been the fox guarding the chickencoop the whole time; all requests concerning Obama go directly to her so she can lie and obfuscate. When asked what her job is she should say, “blowing farts in everybody’s faces”. lol. It’s got to be demeaning for any self-respecting person. I did once suggest that she could get witness protection if she bolted and told the truth; it flustered her to the point she responded to the wrong request in her response.


64 posted on 05/24/2012 4:01:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Brown Deer; butterdezillion

Thanks for the Pings. This is shaping up to be quite an interesting and informative thread.

I knew as soon as I read the statement put out by Joshua Wisch that the whole exchange between HI and AZ SoS Bennett was a word-parsing, legal-tap-dancing sham.


65 posted on 05/24/2012 4:15:21 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: butterdezillion

Just my humble opinion:

Yeah, seems to me the screws are just sitting there waiting to be applied. And they aren’t going anywhere.

The box keeps getting smaller, and smaller. I agree with you and Fractal Trader that any possible legalese excuse has long ago run it’s course. They all now are knowingly engaged in both fraud and misprision of fraud and forgery. Not to mention the big T-word.

For some stupid reason, the Obots, miss the obvious. Hopefully, those who have been entangled can see the forest for the trees and save themselves.

I say entangled, because, I can’t imagine most of the people snagged were willing participants. Like the hospital people. I’m sure they’ve got their hands full of running a hospital. Who needs to sacrifice for some political hacks.

That verification has just upped the ante. Anyone that thought they would be avoiding some physical threat faces the very real threat of doing time.

Let me see, “I could be physically harmed by coming forward or go to prison? Seems to me that being physically harmed in prison is a certainty.”

Even those just tangentially related would face the fall-out to their reputations and careers. Why not let Obama and his minions face the music alone?


66 posted on 05/24/2012 4:26:42 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion
NO. It is a very complex issue and your work has at least made it palatable. It can't be done in a couple paragraphs.

Hawaii has their own reason for hiding the truth but it is complicated.

It would need to be a “white paper” with an executive summary and then hundreds of pages.

Actually, your work should become a book. Then you could get a whiz-bang computer that lets you get to your own blog...

LOL!

67 posted on 05/24/2012 4:31:44 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: butterdezillion

Hang in there Butter! God bless you and your family!

“Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.”
2 Corinthians 4:16-18


68 posted on 05/24/2012 4:34:53 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: butterdezillion
SUMMARY: So what we’ve got here is Onaka certifying that the claims on Obama’s long- form match what they’ve got on the record in their office. But the Attorney General required Bennett to remove every part of his request that would have required Onaka to verify what’s actually TRUE according to Hawaii’s legal evidentiary standards. That’s because Onaka can’t legally verify the truth of anything claimed on a late, amended birth certificate like Obama’s.

Aside from supporting the theory that Obama’s record is late and amended, this “verification” is worthless, except to show

1. that the HDOH at that particular moment had 151-61-10641 as Obama’s file # (but that could be on his electronic file, which they can change back and forth whenever they want to, as demonstrated by the Virginia Sunahara situation.) AND
2. that the HDOH took special care to NOT SAY Obama’s posted long-form is a genuine copy.
69 posted on 05/24/2012 4:44:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: butterdezillion

As a natural born citizen of the United States of America, I would be honored to share my gruel with you in re-education camp.


70 posted on 05/24/2012 4:55:05 PM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: MileHi

lol. I wouldn’t know what to do with a whiz-bang computer, although getting to my blog would be nice...

So how do I get it from palatable to sexy enough for people to click on a thread about it? lol. It’s been suggested that I repost with everything all together and under a different title. I am really bad at marketing. I think it’s because I’m not normal enough to know how “normal” people think. lol.

Any ideas? Anybody?


71 posted on 05/24/2012 4:58:18 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: VikingMom; Greenperson

Thanks for the encouragement, you two - and everybody else who is holding me up. And not like the HI people are holding us up. lol

I made matching quilts for my friend and my husband (2 different people. lol) - because I had figured out how to do the Ohio Star block and was so excited about it that I made too many for just my husband’s quilt. lol. And then my friend was going through a really rough time. Really dark. So I made my husband’s quilt with a white background and my friend’s with a black background, kinda like an Amish quilt.

The white was beautiful, light and happy. But the colors of those stars against the black background was stunning. The darkness intensified the brightness of the colors. I had ironed onto the center blocks Scripture passages that talked about hope and God’s promises. And what I wanted my friend to know was that in the darkness the rays of light shine out all the brighter and give more joy.

The best part about this dark mess we’re in is that the people who really do love freedom, the rule of law, and their fellow-man are so bright in the darkness, and such a gift, that it’s stunning. That’s why I spend so much time here at FR. So many good people here, and they keep me hopeful for this life.

At the very LEAST I know that if this country is gonna go down we who love her will go down together.

And maybe that’s what this life really is anyway. We’re all gonna die sometime, and our life here is really just holding on to each other until then. What better way to spend it?


72 posted on 05/24/2012 5:15:01 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TauntedTiger

lol. I may take you up on that offer.

I wish it wasn’t something we had to consider, but the guys who planned how to exterminate 25 million of us who wouldn’t be re-educated are now yukking it up with the foreign enemy combatant occupying our White House...


73 posted on 05/24/2012 5:24:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

God bless you and your work. I pray nightly for you.


74 posted on 05/24/2012 6:06:26 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: butterdezillion

I peeked in the back of the book - we win in the end! : )

PS - Love your quilt story-you should post pictures. My uncle, a career USMC Gunnery Sgt, took up quilting in his 70s!


75 posted on 05/24/2012 8:00:47 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: thecodont

Dittos to that, Yeah for Butter!


76 posted on 05/24/2012 8:23:05 PM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: butterdezillion
Let me know if he posts something. My computer has two sites that it doesn’t like: my own blog, and WND. As soon as I click to go to either place, my computer has a jacked-up hum to it and I can watch my CPU usage go up to 100% and then the website shows “(Not responding)”.

Check your HOSTS file on your computer and make sure those addresses are not in there and redirecting you to another site. Also, if you are using a router, check the router to make sure those sites are not blocked.

77 posted on 05/24/2012 8:34:19 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: butterdezillion
And for him to be pressuring Arpaio to end the criminal investigation suggests that either he sides with what he knows is the “bad guys”, or he’s afraid to stand up to the “bad guys”, or he’s been threatened by the “bad guys” to try to get the good guys off their tails.

Bennett can throw a hissy fit all he wants. Arpaio is not investigating eligibility to be on the ballot. He is investigating criminal fraud. The SOS has nothing to do with that. Arpaio can just tell him to kiss his a$$. He had his chance.

78 posted on 05/24/2012 8:38:40 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: All

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79 posted on 05/25/2012 5:58:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: All

80 posted on 05/25/2012 5:59:45 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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