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SAPD: Gun-totting homeowner defends his Cadillac Escalade(TX)
kens5.com ^ | 24 May, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 05/24/2012 9:18:00 AM PDT by marktwain

SAN ANTONIO -- Police say a car burglary on the city's northwest side was foiled by an alert homeowner with a gun.

The homeowner was woken around 1:55 a.m. Thursday by two men busting the side window of the Cadillac Escalade parked outside his home in the 6300 block of Stable Farm, San Antonio police said.

One of the suspects allegedly signaled to the homeowner that he had a gun.

However, police said the homeowner really did have a gun and fired a single shot through his bedroom window one of the men attempting to steal the Cadillac.

Both suspects took off on foot.

Police said they don't believe either of the suspects were shot since no blood was found at the scene and they were able to run away.

Police searched for the area by helicopter and with canine units but failed to locate the suspects.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; car; defense; tx
Texas has had good results with its laws that allow property owners to defend their property with deadly force. Perhaps other states would do well to take the Texas example to heart.
1 posted on 05/24/2012 9:18:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Not to worry. Use the Alabama Plan.
Once they have been shot you drag them inside. . . . . .
2 posted on 05/24/2012 9:21:20 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: marktwain

I love good news in the morning. Thanks.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 9:21:47 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: marktwain
Unlike the "staff" who wrote this, Texans know how to spell "toting".

"Totting", while out of use, means adding up numbers or amounts.

4 posted on 05/24/2012 9:22:10 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: marktwain
the homeowner really did have a gun and fired a single shot through his bedroom window

Dude!
Open the window so your shots will go straight!

5 posted on 05/24/2012 9:24:27 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: marktwain

Yeah let’s take this example to heart.

“...the homeowner really did have a gun and fired a single shot through his bedroom window at one of the men attempting to steal the Cadillac.”

I am just happy I wasn’t on the next street over happily driving down the street and shot dead in my car or in bed across the street and killed by the stray bullet. This is in a residential neighborhood you know.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 9:27:18 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

So what’s *your* solution?

Restrict or eliminate the right to defend one’s property?


7 posted on 05/24/2012 9:46:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: marktwain

That man needs some range time to improve his aim.


8 posted on 05/24/2012 9:56:08 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Nervous Tick
Restrict or eliminate the right to defend one’s property?

Never!

But we are responsible for every round fired.

I recommend a responsible choice of weapons and equipment varieties, and (civilian) training in responsible and effective tactics.

Shotguns, low penetration projectiles, lower velocity loads, lighting and aiming devices, practice...

9 posted on 05/24/2012 10:02:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: humblegunner

Sum uv usn jus cain speel. Jus cain hep et yew unnerstan?


10 posted on 05/24/2012 10:04:16 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: TexasRepublic

How long until Sharpton and Jackson show up on this guys doorstep? White man pulling a gun on minorities? That is a definite No No.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 10:04:25 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: marktwain

The homeowner needs some range time.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 10:06:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: marktwain
However, police said the homeowner really did have a gun and fired a single shot through his bedroom window one of the men attempting to steal the Cadillac.

I have no idea how the mainstream media still manages to lose money, unless they are paying more than minimum wage to high school dropouts who write like this. They should cut their expenses when it comes to illiterate writers one of the men attempting to steal the Cadillac. [I stuck those last nine words in for fun even though they are not part of any sensible sentence, which is what the professional news writer did in his article.]

13 posted on 05/24/2012 10:09:14 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Navy Patriot; ngat

>> But we are responsible for every round fired.

Of course! But why are y’all assuming that the homeowner *wasn’t* acting responsibly? Just because he missed with the one round he fired? Nothing in the article points towards your conclusion.


14 posted on 05/24/2012 10:09:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: ngat
I am just happy I wasn’t on the next street over happily driving down the street and shot dead in my car or in bed across the street and killed by the stray bullet. This is in a residential neighborhood you know.

Most likely the bedroom was on the second floor, which means that missed shots would have hit the asphalt.

Ideally, he should have used a shotgun. More stopping power, less ricochet hazard.

15 posted on 05/24/2012 10:14:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: ngat

Always shoot into the ground or the target, or use a shotgun. I’m so glad you didn’t get hit by that stray bullet.


16 posted on 05/24/2012 10:25:25 AM PDT by pallis
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To: ngat

Maybe you should be happy he shot...You may have been next on the thieves “shopping list”...From the way you talk, you would’ve just cowered down and let them have whatever....


17 posted on 05/24/2012 10:26:11 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Nervous Tick
But why are y’all assuming that the homeowner *wasn’t* acting responsibly?

Well, I'm not assuming that, I'm just generally recommending the defender have options and training for these situations. There was no critique of this particular defender's actions.

The story does not impart enough information to make any conclusions.

18 posted on 05/24/2012 10:28:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Boonie

From the way you talk, you are too cowardly to have gone outside and confronted them like a man.


19 posted on 05/24/2012 10:37:25 AM PDT by ngat
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To: PapaBear3625

Shotgun would have messed up his Cadillac.

The “missed” shot just might have been to scare off the thieves.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 10:39:12 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: marktwain

I think there is a simple solution to this problem that we can all agree on. That man needs a laser sighting device.

Despite other conditions: dark, obscured, that you are groggy, nervous or upset; that red dot appearing on the belt buckle of your target is just so gosh darned reassuring.


21 posted on 05/24/2012 10:42:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

‘Bout 3 blocks from the office where I’m sitting. Nice neighborhood, mostly 2-story homes. Unfortunately, more attractive hunting grounds for scum like these as more and more Section 8 apartment complexes encroach on this side of town.


22 posted on 05/24/2012 10:46:17 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: Navy Patriot

>> There was no critique of this particular defender’s actions.

Understood.

That part of my comment was mainly directed at the *other* poster I addressed.


23 posted on 05/24/2012 10:55:06 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Boonie

Agree with you.

It starts with some teenagers lifting car door handles to see if they can get inside. Eventually it doesn’t payoff and some yahoo decides to try and break the car windows. Time goes by and the criminal gets more brazen, is that back door of the house locked? Eventually, whether door is locked or not, whether people are home or not... there’s a stranger in your house, probably armed, and could care less what happens to you.

It’s a reality that some don’t want to believe can happen.


24 posted on 05/24/2012 11:18:22 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Can we cut the BS and just say it like it is?)
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To: ngat
I am just happy I wasn’t on the next street over happily driving down the street and shot dead in my car or in bed across the street and killed by the stray bullet. This is in a residential neighborhood you know.

Use this in those cases:

25 posted on 05/24/2012 11:25:54 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: humblegunner

...and what’s this about the homeowner being ‘woken.’


26 posted on 05/24/2012 11:37:49 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: Oatka

>> Use this in those cases

LOL! I *have* one of those. If loaded with .410, you’d better hope the perp is REAL close (like a carjacker with his face up in your side window).

Even buckshot spreads pretty quick out of that short barrel.

It’s not bad with .45LC, but then we’re right back to square one as far as stray shots go.


27 posted on 05/24/2012 12:30:53 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: ngat
Sure, Just like you are too cowardly to describe yourself N (WONDER WHAT THAT STANDS FOR) GAT is this the obscure reference to a hand held firearm? Or simply nonsensical crap from an anonymous twit.

Come break into my car tonight and discover the joys of committing malicious mischief after dark in Texas. The probable results include terminal lead poisoning, exsanguination and grass stains on the back of yo saggin’ britches cuz. And no, I will not go outside to confront thieves; I will instead scatter their brains across my lawn for fertilizer while sitting comfortably in my upstairs study. Now go back to your buddies on DU and complain about those brutish meanies on FR.

28 posted on 05/24/2012 12:52:36 PM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: Oatka

Now, there’s a solution!


29 posted on 05/24/2012 3:41:44 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Zippo44

Here, I will educate you and save you from your technological ignorance, but I doubt anyone low enough to endanger their neighbors with random gunfire because they are afraid to go outside and confront a couple of car thieves would be able to understand it anyway.

Next Generation Air Transportation system (NGAT or NextGen) is the name given to a new National Airspace System due for implementation across the United States in stages between 2012 and 2025. The Next Generation Air Transportation System proposes to transform America’s air traffic control system from an aging ground-based system to a satellite-based system. GPS technology will be used to shorten routes, save time and fuel, reduce traffic delays, increase capacity, and permit controllers to monitor and manage aircraft with greater safety margins.Planes will be able to fly closer together, take more direct routes and avoid delays caused by airport “stacking” as planes wait for an open runway.To implement this the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will undertake a wide-ranging transformation of the entire United States air transportation system. This transformation has the aim of reducing gridlock, both in the sky and at the airports.

You’re welcome.


30 posted on 05/24/2012 3:59:02 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Nervous Tick
I *have* one of those.

Thinking of getting one at the Kingman, AZ show in June. Looks like a great anti-carjacker - big bore to intimidate, shot does not go far in the parking lot and take out a passerby - close in, as good a ball.

31 posted on 05/24/2012 4:55:32 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Made In The USA

Come on, it’s not “could care less”, it’s “couldn’t care less”. Think about it, if he could care less, how much less could he care?


32 posted on 05/24/2012 5:52:09 PM PDT by Gertie
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To: Oatka

Tell you what, it’s a FUN handgun to shoot. I don’t have the least regret about purchasing it.

I enjoy the heck out of shooting it. The variety of loads you can fire out of it is amazing. And it’s great for a certain class of varmints (snakes, rats).

But other than for in-vehicle use, I’d think seriously about something else for personal protection.

Also, be aware that .410 and .45 long colt can be spendy ammo.

Just my 2c, and FRegards


33 posted on 05/24/2012 7:59:08 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Oatka

P.S. I like your tagline.


34 posted on 05/24/2012 8:01:02 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Thanks for the info.

Every time I hit a gun show table and talk to the seller about one of these guns, I tell him it’s for a concealed carry for my wife. Always get a deer-in-headlights look, then a laugh.

I like it mainly for the close range intimidation value of the big bore. Have been using a M1911 for the auto but am a little leery of nailing some bystander, so the fine shot I think, is a bit safer.

No carjacking experience and want to keep it that way. It’s a pretty low crime area out my way but then that’s what they usually say, with some wonder, AFTER a crime.


35 posted on 05/25/2012 7:13:14 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

>> the fine shot I think, is a bit safer

Unless you only want to annoy the perp, don’t even think about anything smaller than #4. Seriously. And personally I wouldn’t defend anyone I love with #4 shot in a Judge.

I like this Sellier & Bellot 000 buck pretty well:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/images_thumbs/410-box.jpg

Someone (Hornady?) makes a .410 defense round tailored for the Judge — it’s got everything and the kitchen sink in it (disks, shot, ...) but it’s pricey and gimmicky IMHO.


36 posted on 05/25/2012 8:35:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: ngat

More commentary from the troll known as “nougat”. No one said anything about “random gunfire”; carefully aimed gunfire is the issue under discussion. At the distance from my upstairs study to my driveway, I could easily make a headshot with my least accurate handgun. HOWEVER, I would likely select something less sporting and more appropriate for vermin extermination like a shotgun loaded with slugs. Again, at the range we are discussing, my only issue is deciding which eye in which to put the slug.

Regarding your monicker, I work in IT, but I prefer not to consider the brainless dolts controlling the aircraft in which I travel. If I think about it too much, I am likely to refuse business travel and wind up living off the government dole like you.


37 posted on 05/25/2012 6:48:34 PM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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