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Group asks NC lawmakers to repeal 'shoot first' law
The News & Observer (N.C.) ^ | 2012-05-23 | C Jarvis

Posted on 05/24/2012 11:30:08 AM PDT by neverdem

A national group opposed to what it calls “shoot first” gun laws today sent a letter to all members of the General Assembly, and to legislators in 25 other states, calling on them to repeal or reform their laws.

Shoot-first laws take away the obligation to retreat from a confrontation, other than in your home, in order to avoid the use of deadly force.

“Trayvon Martin’s killing in Florida has focused public attention on the consequences of these reckless laws,”

Ginny Simmons, director of Second Chance on Shoot First, said in a news release. “… Experience has now shown that these laws encourage vigilantism, sow confusion among police, and stymie prosecutors.”

North Carolina has had a “castle doctrine” law on the books for some time, allowing deadly force against someone intruding in a home. Last year, the General Assembly expanded it to justify use of force in a motor vehicle or workplace.

The law says a person “does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder.” That defense isn’t available to someone who provokes a confrontation, except under limited circumstances.

Second Chance on Shoot First describes itself as a coalitioni of civil rights leaders, politicians, law enforcement and others.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndchanceshootfirst; banglist; shootfirst; standyourground
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To: neverdem

They don’t like Anti-Thug Laws.


21 posted on 05/24/2012 12:13:33 PM PDT by Brownie63
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Kinda hard to retreat when you’re lying on your back with someon a lot bigger sitting on you bashing your head in....Only way to retreat is to remove the person...

In George’s case, he removed Martin with a small chunk of lead...

Excellent results too, I might add....


22 posted on 05/24/2012 12:14:11 PM PDT by Boonie
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To: neverdem

Used to run into NewYork Knowitalls all the time when I was living in N.C. The answer is the same today as it has been for 100 years,

I don’t give a damn how you do it in NewYork, this ain’t NewYork. Now go the hell home and leave us alone!


23 posted on 05/24/2012 12:17:05 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Drill Thrawl

“Fitting that liberals expect that the requirement is to runaway and die a coward. It explains a lot. “

Or you can trying talking it over with the attacker/rapist /s


24 posted on 05/24/2012 12:24:17 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Gaffer
It's the reason liberals can't 'do' large demonstrations like the Tea Party... they don't have the numbers. Even with union goons showing up - goons who know nothing about the issue - and professional 'protesters' hired off CraigsList, and assorted employees of democrats bussed in - they can't pull off real numbers.

The MSM isn't going to 'expose' these groups - they help them to pull off the illusions. One way is with tight-in camera shots making 12 people look like a crowd. Another way is to cover the words of many of these sham groups in the same way they would cover a group with thousands of members. But the impact is less and less as many are catching on to tricks used by liberals and their bully enforcers in the MSM...

I'll never understand why the MSM threw away their credibility for so little....

25 posted on 05/24/2012 12:57:05 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: neverdem
"Shoot first" laws?

Hmmmm..... I wonder what kind of spin they're trying to put on this? /sarc

26 posted on 05/24/2012 1:01:07 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: Ohioan
The idea that people should be compelled to retreat from confrontations, thus allowing criminals & thugs to steal the fruits of their labors, is about as clear an abandonment of natural rights, once deemed sacred in America, as one can imagine.

Great comment!

27 posted on 05/24/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: neverdem

And in other news; the governor of Oklahoma just signed a law authorizing open carry. Now my problem is deciding between Safariland and SERPA and Level II and Level III.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 1:23:13 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Castigar
and stymie prosecutors.

You overlooked the implications, however of this clause. Just think how George Washington frustrated the British Prosecutors that would otherwise have been sent over to secure the hanging of those farmers from Lexington & Concord, who fired those shots heard across the ocean.

What sort of an American wants to prosecute law abiding citizens for protecting their natural rights? This effort to pretend there is equivalency between the interests of the law abiding & the predatory criminal, is the most vicious of the many insane notions behind the Collectivist Egalitarianism, which always leads to The Greatest Mischief Ever Wrought.

William Flax

29 posted on 05/24/2012 1:38:27 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Gaffer
As I understand what I read, repealing the shoot first laws would have no impact on the Martin-Zimmerman case. As I read it, Zimmerman was already 'retreating' and retuning to his vehicle. Travon followed him and initiated the fight, at which point Zimmerman did not have the option of retreating and had no recourse other than to protect his life.
30 posted on 05/24/2012 1:51:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: neverdem

And in other news; the governor of Oklahoma signed the open carry law. Now my problem is to decided between Safariland and SERPA and Level II and Level III.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 3:00:22 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: neverdem
In my own backyard.

These bastards will never, never, never stop will they?

They might if some of them woke up dead.

32 posted on 05/24/2012 3:03:02 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: ArmyTeach

Oh, I understand that. I was just commenting on all these unvetted ‘groups’ that seek to use the media to put across agendas that are really driven by other factors.

The group in question is affiliated with groups that are primarily racist in my opinion (at least racism in the other direction). I’m tired of media not doing its job.

Every day on the radio, Americans hear local pap stories from their drive time radios about his ‘study’ or this ‘research’ that pushes all sorts of agendas. When one takes the time to research the origins (if enough cryptic information is given in the story), he/she finds agendas that are usually either financially or ideologically driven.

That is so in the case of this Second Chance story, and my comment about removing the racist article probably should have had a ‘sarc’ tag on it, because crap like this won’t stop until the media has removed itself of its ideologues.


33 posted on 05/25/2012 2:46:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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