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When Conservatives Follow the Left's Vulgar Lead
The New American ^ | 23 May 2012 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 05/25/2012 6:16:00 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer

Many of us have heard the story about the North Carolina schoolteacher who shrieked at her students that they could be “arrested” for criticizing Barack Obama. The teacher’s words speak for themselves and have been, as is only right, roundly condemned. But it’s not her behavior that bothers me most.

It’s no secret that schoolteachers often seek to instill their leftist tendencies in students or that conservatives recognize the problem. What conservatives don’t recognize so well are the leftist tendencies in themselves.

What do I mean? Consider the following exchange between said teacher (her name hasn’t been released) and the student she locked horns with:

Teacher: Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush? Do you realize you are not supposed to slander the president?

Student: You would have to say some pretty f**** up c*** about him to be arrested.… When Bush was President everybody talked s*** about Bush.

Teacher: Because he was s****y.

The problem is not just what the teacher said, but how she said it. Do you find it at all striking that profanity is accepted as part of dialogue in this classroom, on the part of both teacher and student? Because I haven’t heard any conservatives mention it.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrested; obama; student; teacher
This isn't an opinion we read a lot today. But maybe we should.
1 posted on 05/25/2012 6:16:08 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Clearly the teacher had no control of the classroom. She had lost moral authority and respect, probably long before the taped incident. Who was the adult, and who were the children.


2 posted on 05/25/2012 6:20:32 AM PDT by GoDuke
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To: Paladins Prayer
I follow the philosophy of Malone from “The Untouchables”. “They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue.”
3 posted on 05/25/2012 6:21:17 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Paladins Prayer

A speaker gets demoted several steps in anybody’s mind when he/she uses profanity. The Bible indicates a person will be held accountable for every word out of their mouths.

I often tell clients to answer questions in 10 words or less and then be silent. Even if there is air to fill.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 6:23:11 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Perdogg
I agree... and those that would tell us otherwise have allowed our society to be degraded and their response was pleasantries and platitudes... heck romney can't even defend our culture without apologizing first... or so it seems.

LLS

5 posted on 05/25/2012 6:26:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Paladins Prayer
I don't condone the profanity on the part of the young man. In fact, I have heard it until now, either because of the poor quality of the recording or because it was bleeped out from the audio which I did hear.

I do, however, recall that the tone and demeanor of the young man's voice was calm and reasoned while that of the teaher was unhinged and shrill.

I am also tired of requiring our side to be calm, polite and reasoned while the enemy is allowed to be unhinged, uncouth and shrill. Yeah, it would be nice if we could always do so. Of course, it is best that we always try. Certainly, if we all had the command and mastery of words and ridicule as, say, a Mark Steyn, it might even be possible.

But sometimes, when fighting bullies, you have to hit back and you can't always aim it above the belt.

6 posted on 05/25/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Perdogg

I’m not sure what your point is here. I’m all for waging just war and killing people when necessary, but what does that have to do with defining deviancy downwards?

Thomas Jefferson said, ‘Every so often the tree of liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of patriots...and of tyrants,’ and I agree. But he never said we should curse them out.


7 posted on 05/25/2012 6:33:32 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Vigilanteman

William Buckley was a pro at maintaining his cool while skewering verbally the opposition. Are we too dumb to do the same?


8 posted on 05/25/2012 6:34:28 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Vigilanteman

I don’t think anyone is saying that we shouldn’t be tough and always have to be polite. The point is that we don’t have to be vulgar in the process.

I have to wonder if you guys actually read the article or just what I posted here. The points are made very well.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 6:36:45 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

It bothered me. It also bothered me how out of control the class room sounded. The kid was a lot more coherent than the sad excuse for a teacher, but he should not have ventured into profanity. The rest of the class room should not have sounded like hoodlums.


10 posted on 05/25/2012 6:38:48 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: yldstrk

Yes, apparently many are too dumb. But there are better examples than Buckley. How about Bill Donahue of the catholic League? He rakes libs over the coals and is tough as nails, but he isn’t vulgar. Alan Keyes is also a fiery, take-no-prisoners speaker and he doesn’t have to curse either.

Why are people confusing toughness with being vulgar?


11 posted on 05/25/2012 6:40:45 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: yldstrk
Buckley was superb. He was also one in 10 million. Mark Steyn is the closest thing we have to him today.

But the fact of the matter is that we do not have enough A team debaters to fight with every F team debater which the far left has ensconced in positions of public trust.

Yeah, the kid should strive to move up to our A team. But he's a kid, for heaven's sake! So if a C team debater is the best that we have available to fight their F team, then I say go for it.

12 posted on 05/25/2012 6:42:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: FreeAtlanta
but he should not have ventured into profanity.

This type of language is so common among the young these days that they do not see it as profanity. It is tolerated around the dinner table and in their everyday groups. It is a legacy of the "Days of Rage" back in the 70's and a gift from good old Dr, Spock who eschewed discipline.

13 posted on 05/25/2012 6:53:44 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Paladins Prayer
The teacher’s words speak for themselves and have been, as is only right, roundly condemned.

Not exactly. It wasn't unanimous; in fact, the school defended her until the public outcry became too much to ignore.

14 posted on 05/25/2012 6:54:03 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Vigilanteman

Again, everyone’s missing the point. The article isn’t so much about the kid. The point isn’t to condemn him. It’s about the coarsening of our society and how we can’t remain a free people if we don’t have virtue.


15 posted on 05/25/2012 6:54:55 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: yldstrk
William Buckley was a pro at maintaining his cool while skewering verbally the opposition.

He did with rare exceptions such as when he threatened to punch Gore Vidal in his G--------d mouth when he called him a proto-Nazi.

16 posted on 05/25/2012 6:59:24 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: yldstrk

“The Bible indicates a person will be held accountable for every word out of their mouths”


I’m doomed, I tell you, doomed.


17 posted on 05/25/2012 7:05:18 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: luvbach1

hahahaha

I bet he even did that with more grace and aplomb than most


18 posted on 05/25/2012 7:05:53 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Wurlitzer

well I am too, esp for the times, many times, I have been mad at God


19 posted on 05/25/2012 7:07:31 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Paladins Prayer
Intellectually, I agree with every word of the article. The points are, indeed, very well made. Including this:

And cursing like a drunken sailor is not a virtue. Have you ever seen profane language in the Founders’ writings? What do you think they’d say about such loose use of the tongue in the public arena if you could ask them?

Suddenly, I am reminded of George Washington and that winter at Valley Forge. Washington, as you probably know, was a Godly man who never used profanity and was quick to reprimand any man or officer within earshot who did.

But fewer people are familiar with how that winter actually built a field army capable of holding their own with the greatest army in the world at that time.

A key to building that army was the tactics and drills taught by Baron von Steuben, a crude and profane man, but one whom Washington immediately embraced because e had exactly the knowledge and skill which his men needed. Further, there weren't a lot of William F. Buckley or Alan Keyes alternatives to choose from. History records that von Steuben, who spoke very little English, would launch into a profanity-laced tirade in German then demand that his translator pass it on to his men in English.

All George Washington would do was stand by and do his best to conceal a smirk, usually without much success. The men grew to love von Steuben and the rest, as they say, is history.

George Washington didn't lament that the only help which stepped forward to volunteer to do a job which needed to be done was a profane man who couldn't even speak much English. And, during this Valley Forge of the conservative movement, neither shall I.

I'm only grateful that this young man was there to fight a battle none of us were there to fight. I'm also hopeful that a good education will give him the polish and opportunities to continue to do so with a diminishing degree of profanity and an increasing level of effectiveness.

20 posted on 05/25/2012 7:10:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: yldstrk

Gore Vidal never called BB that (a proto-Nazi) again, and he did appear on his show after that.


21 posted on 05/25/2012 7:12:59 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Paladins Prayer; yldstrk

Not everyone is as good with the slick words and voice in everyday confrontations with libs


22 posted on 05/25/2012 7:30:07 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: yldstrk
William Buckley was a pro at maintaining his cool while skewering verbally the opposition.
"Now listen, you queer," he said, "stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in you goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

Political Animals: Vidal, Buckley and the ’68 Conventions
23 posted on 05/25/2012 7:38:21 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: FreeAtlanta

Learning by example.

Coaching baseball at an area high school, I constantly admonish students and fellow coaches to “Watch your language, guys”, when there are female students or teachers about. Problem is, they’re nearly as foul-mouthed as the males.


24 posted on 05/25/2012 7:46:28 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: luvbach1
I think the word was crypto, i.e. secret or concealed, Nazi. As usual Buckley responded to that casual lie with the truth (unknown to most Americans at a time when homosexuality was still a verboten subject) that Vidal was a "God damned queer". A great moment in television history, live and before the seven second dump button delay, that could only have been better if he did punch Gore and he'd "stayed punched".
25 posted on 05/25/2012 7:51:54 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Bratch

hahaha Gore deserved it


26 posted on 05/25/2012 7:55:16 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: onedoug

Yes, we can thank feminism for that. Liberals should be hanged from the nearest tree.

Not cursed out, just hanged.


27 posted on 05/25/2012 8:10:05 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: katana

I think you’re right regarding crypto instead of proto. But proto would have served almost as well from Vidal’s point of view. should have looked up the quote.


28 posted on 05/25/2012 8:22:08 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: luvbach1
Gore Vidal never called BB that (a proto-Nazi) again, and he did appear on his show after that

Make that crypto-Nazi. My mistake.

29 posted on 05/25/2012 8:26:38 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: yldstrk
A speaker gets demoted several steps in anybody’s mind when he/she uses profanity. The Bible indicates a person will be held accountable for every word out of their mouths.

You've hit on one of my pet peeves. The text contains crude language, but it is NOT profanity.

Profanity has a religious aspect. Using the name of Jesus as a swear word, or saying "God d**n you" are examples of profanity.

References to body functions, excrement, sexual acts, or body parts--while crude and even disgusting--are not profanity, because there is not religious aspect to them.

The Bible clearly states that profanity is a sin. But, it does not say the same about crude language. It says you demean yourself by using crude language, but it doesn't say it is a sin.

The reason I think this is important, is the gravity of how serious a sin actual profanity is is lost on many people when you lump crude language into the mix. It gives the impression that using "Jesus Christ" or "s**t" as swear words are somehow equivalent. One's an affront to God, the other (while crude and low class) is not.

30 posted on 05/25/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Don't mistake my vote for Romney as a vote FOR Romney, it's a vote against Obama.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

If it was my child, I would not have been happy with how the teacher spoke to him. But I would have been very upset at my child for using the profanity in response. I know that kids today use it like it’s nothing, but my kids knew they couldn’t use that kind of language around our home or any family gathering. I would hope my kids could debate the teacher without the use of the cussing. Besides, I saw the kid. If I didn’t know his stand on Obama, I’d swear he was a liberal of the first order. He needs a haircut big time!


31 posted on 05/25/2012 9:59:51 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Paladins Prayer

It seems to me that in the last year or two freerepublic has mostly ceased caring about cussing.

Other conservative sites like Breitbarts have columnists that use extraordinarily crude language in the most casual manner, as though they aren’t professional writers, but are in a bar and well buzzed.


32 posted on 05/25/2012 10:31:00 AM PDT by ansel12
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