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When presidents were military men
StarTribune.com ^ | 25 May, 2012 | John Nagl

Posted on 05/25/2012 10:16:29 PM PDT by brityank

When presidents were military men

Article by: John Nagl , Special to the Washington Post | Updated: May 25, 2012 - 11:52 AM

In every presidential election since 1992, the candidate with the less distinguished military resume has triumphed.

Bill Clinton defeated war heroes George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole; National Guard pilot George W. Bush beat Vietnam veterans Al Gore and John Kerry; and Barack Obama was decisively elected over John McCain, who had displayed extraordinary valor during years of captivity as a Navy pilot in North Vietnam.

In 2012, we won't have the chance to test this trend: For the first time in modern American history, neither major candidate for the presidency has any military experience.

This is a dramatic change. The crucible of combat not only created these United States but has also given us many of our most successful presidents.

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Wars have given the United States many of its most important political leaders, and we can expect those who have led this country's sons and daughters in the sands of Anbar province and the mountains of the Hindu Kush to turn their sights to the highest office in the land in years to come.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: military; potus
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To: x

Well you made that up, Romney comes from the last great military generation, almost 9.5 million of them served, and that doesn’t explain his sons and ALL before him in his line refusing to serve.

West Point graduate and General Dwight D. Eisenhower has nothing to apologize for because his parents joined Jehovah’s Witness after he was born. I don’t think that Dwight’s only son who survived childhood, Brigadier General John Eisenhower complained, nor his only son, Ike’s grandson David, worried about it during his time as a military officer.

The America hating Romney’s came to America solely to serve a cult, and they have never wavered or strayed from the cult srevice, or their refusal to America.


51 posted on 05/26/2012 1:48:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Are you kidding?

Bishop Romney is among the most devout and devoted Joseph Smith devotees, he is among the tiny 15% core of the deepest worshipers and leaders of Mormonism.

Mitt held a private meeting with their holy Prophet to get approval to run for president before he started the process.

Is this the first time that you have tried that line or have people had to correct your before on this?


52 posted on 05/26/2012 1:52:38 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Well you made that up, Romney comes from the last great military generation, almost 9.5 million of them served, and that doesn’t explain his sons and ALL before him in his line refusing to serve.

I'm talking about the poltical-professional-managerial class. Most of the current members of Congress who served in the military are older than Obama and older than Romney.

The America hating Romney’s came to America solely to serve a cult, and they have never wavered or strayed from the cult srevice, or their refusal to America.

So George Romney was doing what during the war? Making Panzers and Messerschmidts?

53 posted on 05/26/2012 1:54:31 PM PDT by x
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Joseph Smith (figuratively) could wish he got more attention from Mitt Romney. If he did, Mitt would never have gotten himself embroiled in gay marriage, and probably not in Romneycare either.

Are you under the impression that the man who created a cult so that he could get rich and have 50 wives, was a believer in "one man, one woman marriage as God's final word", or that one of his Bishops, a descendant of the original founders, and a member of Mormon royalty was out of touch with Mormonism?

54 posted on 05/26/2012 1:59:21 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: x

You were talking about a generation, and a class, a class which has produced many veterans during not only Mitt’s life, but during the 170 years of his line’s history of anti-Americanism and refusing to serve in the military.

As your mythical hero tells us, he comes from a humble, non rich family, with a dad that didn’t even graduate college,”where someone like my dad, who grew up poor and never graduated from college”, and from an even poorer ancestry, according to him.

Congress is full of young vets, even of the ages of his sons.


55 posted on 05/26/2012 2:10:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Oh, Smith got himself well and truly into a lot of immorality with his harem. And if he worshiped mammon too, so much more the shame. But there is no trace of any idea that queers would have flown with him — or if there is, I’d like to know about it. And Romneycare has been a financial disaster for Massachusetts, hardly something that someone who wants to get rich (at least in free enterprise) would want.


56 posted on 05/26/2012 2:12:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You will have to do much better than that to show us that the golden boy of Mormonism, perhaps even the fulfillment of the ‘white horse prophecy’ as believed by some Mormons about Bishop Romney, and who has the personal support and approval of the present day Joseph Smith, the holy prophet, is out of favor with the cult.


57 posted on 05/26/2012 2:24:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

You think the LDS would seriously have said no to Mitt about his run?

I agree heartily with you, LDS is phony through and through. It looks like someone took a plain vanilla mainstream Christianity and then punked it up with early science fiction and polygamy. Scientology might be the best contemporary comparison.

But given that, he’s doing with respect to his “church” what, say, a serious Catholic or Protestant might do with respect to his. He talks with his local elders before embarking on some new career path. If the LDS were not this really weird thing, nobody would think twice about it.

If Mitt is in the deepest 15% and Mitt still isn’t totally decided what to do about a signal issue like “gay marriage” — though his latest flip flop IS against it — well I say it proves his church is shallow garbage, which I never contested.

But let’s get some perspective. Nobody would even be giving Mitt the time of day if it weren’t for Obama being so horrible through and through.

I look at how the pitiful primaries went. If some conglomeration of Ricks Perry and Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and yes even Michelle Bachmann could have been pasted together and ran as one person — Mitt would have been bumped out of the picture. (As a Sarah Palin run almost certainly would have also done.) Instead we saw a herd of cats. I thought during this time ‘d see FR pages busy with coordinations of physical freeps that would actually DO something. I didn’t. And still don’t. FR is still largely a spectator sport.


58 posted on 05/26/2012 2:27:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
But given that, he’s doing with respect to his “church” what, say, a serious Catholic or Protestant might do with respect to his. He talks with his local elders before embarking on some new career path.

Way, way far from what I posted, I said that Mitt Romney had a private meeting with his holy prophet seeking permission, the prophet of God who is higher than the Pope, JFK did not need permission from the Pope, and who would a Protestant ask permission from?

Bishop Romney belongs to a cult, if he breaks a rule, such as not turning over at least 10% of his income, then he does not become God, he can't even enter those temples, or witness his children's weddings if they are among the elites, being Mormon is not like being a Christian.

59 posted on 05/26/2012 2:40:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

What’s the LDS structure, isn’t this “super Pope” the next step up over the bishop? Is this the tip top one, or is there more? It’s not clear to me.

JFK wasn’t a bishop. If he was, then before running he’d doubtless consult an archbishop. As a layman, he’d have spoken with a priest. Mitt’s a bishop, and got that way before ever countenancing a presidential run. Sounds like they expect that the higher you are in the church, the higher you should be consulting before doing something that would have significant impact.

It’s a private organization. The beauty of America, however, is that you can choose what private organization you want to be in and that private organization can’t keep you from leaving it. If Mitt finally decided that this LDS stuff was garbage and that he ought to go mainstream Christian, he’d get tons of opprobrium and a cold shoulder from the LDS, but they could not legally stop him.


60 posted on 05/26/2012 2:49:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Does that mean I can be POTUS ???

Hell anymore it does, "Constitution", whats that!?

My Mother's family hails from minor English nobility based out of Cumbria in North-West England, and you can't get much more Loyalist than that! (though I don't know my ancestors positions during the Revolutionary War) Did your family leave voluntarily or were they forced out after the war.

Were you raised in New Zealand or the U.K.? I here its beautiful down in New Zealand, I have always wanted to visit.

61 posted on 05/26/2012 2:53:16 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: ansel12

You might have come across a significant point about how Mitt would govern, though. If the LDS has extracted a pledge from Mitt that he won’t do squat in the White House without continuing to ask its permission — well, this ought to be made very plain. Though to be fair, we all know by now from Obama’s behavior that he is a puppet, and we’d like to know who HIS puppeteers are. At least we know that if Mitt would have them, they have an address in Salt Lake City.


62 posted on 05/26/2012 2:54:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I doubt that JFK asked a Priest for permission to run for president.

The Mormon Prophet is of course over all men, including the Catholic Pope.

He is a mortal man until after death, then like Mitt Romney, he will become a God, he is also the “prophet, seer, and revelator—the only person on the earth who receives revelation.”

You don’t understand that if Mitt steps out of line in any manner, if he comes out of the cult’s control in any degree, then he loses his place in the religion, and in the after life, he will not become a God for instance and can not even enter those palace like temples, the slightest failing puts him back with the 85% of Mormons who are forbidden to enter those temples and must attend the regular, plain, church buildings, and who are not privy to the inner secret world of the devout Mormons.


63 posted on 05/26/2012 3:02:52 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

You gotta wonder why the “85%” even bothers, if being a non-god (and going to a Mormon hell) is their fate.


64 posted on 05/26/2012 3:11:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou ... ???)
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To: ansel12

I’d think any priest that JFK saw would say he was glad to hear of JFK’s desire to be president, and that the priest would be glad to offer whatever guidance he could. It wouldn’t be a formal “permission” arrangement. Though I think there ought to be one based on such so called Catholics as Nancy Pelosi.


65 posted on 05/26/2012 3:17:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou ... ???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t know how anything about JFK or Catholics, or Priests relates to Mitt Romney.


66 posted on 05/26/2012 3:32:13 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: newnhdad

He ran like a wush, not a a Soldier. He didn’t want to win bad enough. And why a man with his money can’t purchase a decent set of teeth, is beyond me. Looks count today, unlike in the days gone by when TV was not the big thing in your living room and all you had was a radio.

This is another HOLD YOUR NOSE and vote election. 2 Evils is still an evil. Better hope we take the Senate and the House with veto proof majorities with CONSERVATIVES. Because there is about spits worth of difference in RINO and 0!


67 posted on 05/27/2012 6:28:33 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter or president who FAILS to keep faith with the Military, WON'T keep faith with U)
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To: Drill Thrawl
Whoever made this graphic should have interchanged the photos of W. J. Clinton and G. W. Bush in order to maintain the chronological order from top left to bottom right.

Seven of the eleven shown served during WWII. Carter served immediately following the war. Kennedy was the first Navy veteran to be President. His four immediate successors and G. H. W. Bush were also Navy veterans - making a total of six. Eisenhower was Army, Reagan was Army Air Force and G. W. Bush was Air Force - the successor to the Army Air Force.

Prior to them, Truman was in the Army during WWI and although FDR was not an actual veteran, he did serve as Asst. Secretary of the Navy during WWI.

68 posted on 05/27/2012 6:39:04 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Tennessee Nana


69 posted on 05/27/2012 6:56:52 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I look at how the pitiful primaries went. If some conglomeration of Ricks Perry and Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and yes even Michelle Bachmann could have been pasted together and ran as one person — Mitt would have been bumped out of the picture. (As a Sarah Palin run almost certainly would have also done.) Instead we saw a herd of cats. I thought during this time ‘d see FR pages busy with coordinations of physical freeps that would actually DO something. I didn’t. And still don’t. FR is still largely a spectator sport.

That is EXACTLY what happened, and why we are where we are. It wasn't the GOP-e that did this. We split the vote badly this time, and Romney was there to catch the pieces. Maybe some of these posts of yours will give someone a clue.

70 posted on 05/27/2012 7:55:33 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: reg45

Reagan was Army, he started in 1937 in the Army reserves with the cavalry went on active duty as Army, and in mid 1942 went to the aviation branch of the Army.

Reagan was always Army until his discharge.


71 posted on 05/27/2012 8:08:23 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
During World War II, the aviation branch of the Army was known as The United States Army Air Forces, often shortened to the Army Air Forces. After the war, in 1947, the USAAF split into its own service branch and was re-designated The United States Air Force.
72 posted on 05/28/2012 2:03:14 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: reg45

There is no reason to mention the Air Force in regards to Ronald Reagan, just saying Army is sufficient, he was always in the United States Army, and spent most of his army time not attached to the Air division which he switched to when he was ending his more traditional Army activities and started making movies.

I think that people need to know that Reagan was long term Army, and that he served for more than 8 years, and had almost two years of Army correspondence courses starting in 1935, and enlisted in the reserves in 1937, probably a combat unit (cavalry) when the military was seen as a dumping ground for losers, and was out of favor, and of low prestige, not just the three movie making years after accepting attachment to Army aviation.


73 posted on 05/28/2012 2:28:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's conservative Presidential candidates.)
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