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ATF to accept public comments prior to outlawing shotguns (Apr 18, 2011)
Greeley Gazette ^ | Apr 18, 2011 | Jack Minor

Posted on 05/26/2012 8:30:05 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: Red Steel

FATF!!!


51 posted on 05/26/2012 10:55:56 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Carthego delenda est
BS! Yer an idiot/tool/brainwashed...

Chill out.
There's no call for that here.

52 posted on 05/26/2012 10:56:51 PM PDT by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: Red Steel

The ATF should acquaint themselves with the Constitution.


53 posted on 05/26/2012 10:56:51 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Carthego delenda est; Copenhagen Smile

I know New Mexico very well, and am very connected to it since I have had family there for generations, even my father and mother both lived there as children during the 1930s, and current brothers, sisters, and a stepmother live there since the 1970s, my father died there, in fact I will have to move there for at least a few years when I leave here, I can guarantee that the Obama supporting New Mexico is not exactly Texas, or even as republican as San Diego where I live now, so I wouldn’t be so high and mighty as to tell a kid to drop out of college to move there.


54 posted on 05/26/2012 11:01:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: tacticalogic

Probably. But all of them count as a round. Makers just choose to select the standard length one as the one they use to say how many rounds will fit in a tube magazine. Much like a lever action carbine in .38 Special/.357 Magnum, which also has a tube mag - the manufacturer specs it with the shorter, ‘standard’ round.

Also, no, 2 3/4” is not 12ga Short. 12gs Short is mostly an obsolete measure, but they were 2”, 2 1/4” and 2 1/2”. 2 3/4” is and has been the standard for the past 40 years. Retail stores carry 2 3/4” and 3” and occasionally the 3.5”, but the 2.75” is what they will hand you if you go in and ask for some 12ga shotgun shells.


55 posted on 05/26/2012 11:05:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: going hot
They simply wish to remove firearms from people like....you!

I know. I'm just not getting the hang of this "stand down and let the hoodies have it" thing, and they're not happy about that.

56 posted on 05/26/2012 11:07:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Washi

“...#4 buckshot is the best balance of stopping power / wall penetration for home defense.”

Several years ago I read an article by Massad Ayoob advocating #1 buckshot for home defense - 12 x .30 cal. pellets. 00 buckshot is usually 9 x .36 cal. pellets and - while devastating - it does tend to overpenetrate if all pellets do not impact intended bad guy.


57 posted on 05/26/2012 11:07:58 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: tacticalogic

you are in the majority


58 posted on 05/26/2012 11:11:34 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Spktyr
They make 2" 12 gauge "tactical" rounds now designed specifically so you can get more of them into a tube mag.

If that counts as a "round" then anything over 12" capacity will hold 6 rounds, and be banned. That means you'd be limited to 4 rounds of 2 3/4, or 3 rounds of 3 and 3 1/2 inch.

59 posted on 05/26/2012 11:18:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

“The days when you can up and go and make your own way without any kind of preperation are gone, courtesy of Barack Obama and others.”

BS! Head to North Dakota my friend. You can learn welding, drilling, carpentry, and on and on in that boom state and make a really good wage without the college disturbance.

As for me.... I do not have a degree. I do not have training. I DID drop a crap job and explore the world. A Master found me and I played with the Beyond the Beyond for a while. I did go a few days at a time without eating for a few years from time to time but the Lord always kept me going.

What excuse are you looking for???


60 posted on 05/26/2012 11:25:25 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: ansel12

“so I wouldn’t be so high and mighty as to tell a kid to drop out of college to move there.”

Who Done That!!!! Dasterdly fellow!

Now Californians from San Diego know New Mexico.

sure dude.


61 posted on 05/26/2012 11:44:06 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Washi

You are correct.


62 posted on 05/26/2012 11:52:22 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Carthego delenda est

You want the republican kid to drop out of college and move, but why move to another Obama state like you live in, or any other state until he completes his field of study and gets his degree?.

And yes, I know New Mexico quite well, much better than I let on in post 54, but that was enough detail for the internet.

At least I know that you live in an Obama state, something you don’t seem to realize.

I am a Texan, not a Californian, the clue should have been my mention of wanting to get back to the Texas coast.


63 posted on 05/26/2012 11:53:59 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: BBell
"... Do You remember the street sweeper? They managed to ban it and anyone who owned one and did not have a class 3 was suddenly S.O.L."

Well, the ATF regarded the Striker-12 and USAS-12 as unregistered 'destructive devices', but there was no special license to keep the one you already owned.

If the state you lived in had language in it's civil code prohibiting NFA-registered destructive devices, then you were screwed but there are few states that have such laws.

Only dealers, importers, and manufacturers of NFA-restricted firearms need any sort of 'license' and/or 'special operational tax' (SOT) classification.

Next target against Title II code is removing 'Sporting Purposes' language from the 1968 GCA in light of the USSC's 'Heller' ruling. The founders never intended a restriction on private citizens inside or outside the Militia Clause under the notion of what's 'sporting' and what's not.

64 posted on 05/27/2012 1:30:09 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Red Steel

So when is the US gonna outlaw the ATF??

About time, isn’t it?


65 posted on 05/27/2012 2:04:11 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: piytar

Not a problem. Just fill cup partly w shot, top up with melt glue. Now you have a frangible 12’ slug.

Same thing goes well for 44mag, 44, 41mag, 41 and 40.


66 posted on 05/27/2012 2:13:01 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Hardraade
Here some “Lost Art” mods for shotgun shells
Cut Shells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU

Wax Slugs aka Homemade Glasers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqosJmUS-0&feature=relmfu

67 posted on 05/27/2012 2:35:47 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: familyop

That’s nuts!


68 posted on 05/27/2012 2:46:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: piytar; All

I believe that you can buy ammunition through the mail:

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-142-12-gauge-2-34-shells.aspx#Filter=[pagenum=1*ava=0]


69 posted on 05/27/2012 4:00:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Spktyr

Thanks for the post and clarification on BATF funding restriction.

The shotgun ban issue was recently re-posted by infowars.com, with a recent date:

http://www.infowars.com/atf-to-accept-public-comments-prior-to-outlawing-shotguns/


70 posted on 05/27/2012 4:47:31 AM PDT by broken_arrow1
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To: Red Steel

The only thing that needs banned is the ATF.


71 posted on 05/27/2012 4:50:12 AM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: tacticalogic

S&W 916A has a 19 inch barrel and holds 7 in the mag and one in the chamber. (2 3/4”) it has a 3” chamber and the mag will hold only 6 of those. It was a decent gun. That is until that terrible boating accident.


72 posted on 05/27/2012 5:06:07 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Actually, they required you to register them.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2001-1.html


73 posted on 05/27/2012 5:39:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bk1000
If it will hold 7 2 3/4" or 6 3", what is the capacity of that magazine?

The idea of trying to throw tube magazines in with box or drum magazines is that the capacity of tube magazine depends on what ammunition you're using. They can play all kinds of games with that.

74 posted on 05/27/2012 6:25:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

If you have shoes, anyone can relocate. It won’t be easy, but you can do it if you want to do it. Everything else si an excuse.


75 posted on 05/27/2012 6:42:59 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Pox

I was told that by a LEO friend. He appaers to have been misinformed. My bad...


76 posted on 05/27/2012 11:17:56 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Carthego delenda est

I’ve been looking into that because I want to go to that part of the country, and away from the NE. But from what I’ve read it seems like you have to know somebody who knows somebody to crack that nut.


77 posted on 05/27/2012 12:21:01 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: Spktyr

That’s true; they added them to the NFA under amnesty, but there was no special license to keep the one(s) you owned.


78 posted on 05/27/2012 1:56:02 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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mfl


79 posted on 05/27/2012 6:16:05 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Spktyr

I have a 12 round mag and it works well but it is kind of awkward because of it’s length. I’ve yet to try my 20 round drum.


80 posted on 05/27/2012 9:22:51 PM PDT by BBell (until)
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To: BBell

I had the same issues, but I switched to the 10 and 12 round drums from (of all people) ProMag, which are getting rave reviews. They are probably the only reliable ProMag I’ve ever seen or heard of.


81 posted on 05/27/2012 9:31:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

My 20 round drum mag is a ProMag product. I bought it last year and set it aside. When I went to the range last month I noticed the back of it was cracked. I called ProMag and they told me that they had a lot of problems with that. I sent it back and they sent me a new one very quickly. I’ll let you know how it works out when I get back to the range again.


82 posted on 05/27/2012 11:02:59 PM PDT by BBell (until)
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