Skip to comments.Mike Zullo - Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse Commander - Updates Us From Hawaii
Posted on 05/28/2012 12:46:18 PM PDT by James Thomas
Join Mark as he interviews Mike Zullo the lead commander of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse as he shares the latest regarding the posse's investigation into President Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.
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I said that I have no doubt. It is my opinion and it is a strong one based on a lot of things.
But it’s not ME refusing to acknowledge facts in evidence.
I have yet to see Fred Nerks ADMIT that FMD lived in Honolulu from 1957 to 1963. It’s right there in the FBI files.
Why does he refuse to acknowledge it? How could a person so invested in research not even bother to look at FBI files.
It is absurd to believe he didn’t know.
This is even furthered by the fact that he STILL refuses to acknowledge it.
...leaving no stone unturned, thanks!
Your obsession with the Dunhams and the CIA is very odd. If you think the Dunhams were CIA operatives, then apparently the CIA has been a treasonous enemy of the US and working with black racists and communists to destroy the US for decades.
I read the FBI link and there is some contradictory stuff in there. But even if FMD lived at the Kalihi address; so effing what? It was not close to where the Dunhams lived (especially the Kalanianiole Hwy Address, that’s way past Honolulu in the other direction), and there is also - please pay attention - NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Stanley Ann Dunham was in HI until approx. 1963. None. Zip. Nada. Or that she ever even MET FMD.
I think you’re barking mad, actually.
I am not the only one that thinks that they were involved with the Spooks but it is okay if you don’t believe it.
Now, let’s talk about why Fred Nerks REFUSES to admit that FMD lived in Honolulu from 1957 to 1963.
I am waiting for him to acknowledge the existance of the evidence that he has had all along.
Also, it’s obvious you’ve never lived in HI, especially then. You say “13 miles” as though they were next door neighbors. Having lived in HI only a few years after the time line in question, I can assure you that often people never even left their neighborhoods often, a lot of people still walked to places or took the bus. That part of Kalihi Uka (up in the upper valley) was considered way out of the way. A teenage girl visiting a married man old enough to be her grandfather who had a wife and numerous children would be so noticeable and out of place that people would have talked, it’s ludicrous to even consider it (especially since there is not a single shred of evidence).
“I read the FBI link and there is some contradictory stuff in there.”
Please provide the link that you are looking at and spell out the contradictory evidence. When I pushed Fred Nerks to provide the exact page numbers of his claim it turns out he was wrong about the last two pages
So let’s look at what you have.
Btw, exactly where did the Dunhams live?
I am not Fred Nerks, nor is Fred Nerks me.
I think FN is saying that there are contradictory statements in the FBI files, which is true. In one place it says FMD moved to Hauula in ‘56 IIRC, and stayed there for 7 years. So it is not absolutely clear where he lived when.
But if he lived in the Kalihi Valley - so what?
I don’t “believe” stuff. I look for evidence. YOu have no evidence. I remember a long thread about it a few years ago. So you think the CIA was fostering known communists who planned to overthrow the US government. Interesting.
Since I have shown that FMD did, in fact, live in Honolulu you now know have to resort to other tactics.
There is a lot of information out there connecting the Dunhams to FMD.
It is very very interesting that you and Nerks are trying so hard to disavow it...to the point where Nerks won’t even acknowledge info in the FBI files.
It’s a red flag.
Btw, FMD drove 35 miles to work in the 50s. Not that hard to imagine a visit that consists of 13 miles.
I am not interested in the minutiae of exactly which address the Dunhams lived at when. You figure it out. It doesn’t interest me because Zero wasn’t the son of SAD and wasn’t in HI at that time. So it’s irrelevant. And it’s all on various threads already.
“So you think the CIA was fostering known communists who planned to overthrow the US government. Interesting.”
I didn’t say that.
I said it is quite clear to me that this family was involved with the Spooks.
You don’t have to believe it.
It is my opinion.
You said that the FBI file had contradictory information. Are you relying on someone else’s account or did you read it yourself. If you read it give me the link and the page numbers.
“Zero wasnt the son of SAD and wasnt in HI at that time. “
Where is your proof?
I haven't found the evidence, you sent me a link, but all I can find is that he was still living at a certain address in Honolulu in 1963 - I am NOT going back to that FBI file because it's too hard to read and difficult to follow, BUT if you want to show Freepers HOW RIGHT YOU ARE, I suggest you print out the pages you want them to see, scan them, and then post them onto this thread. You will have proven your point if it's there as you say, and I won't have to look for the information for the FOURTH TIME. What the heck have you got against me, why are you driving this issue beyond the point of sanity? Apparently, up to this point, I had information on FMD that had him living a long way out of Honolulu, you have information that places him a couple of hours away by bus from the birth announcement address, where no one knows for certain the Dunhams ever lived, because the property belonged to a couple who purchased it in 1958. Me, saying I can't find or see the evidence you are talking about, DOESN'T MAKE ME A SUBVERSIVE. Keep this up and you'll do yourself an emotional injury.
There is a lot of information out there connecting the Dunhams to FMD.
I never said there wasn’t. But not Stanley Ann, and no CIA crap either. I am not resorting to other tactics, I don’t use tactics.
What I am going to do is bid you adieu and you can bark to youreslf.
For someone with a car, yes. But for a teenage girl who just arrived in HI (with no evidence that she did, this is just for the sake of argument) who did not have a car, it would be very difficult to sneak up to Kalihi Uka unseen for naked photo shoots and trysts with an ugly old man old enough to be Grampa.
Something is really really wrong here.
A true investigative researcher who is interested in the truth would read through that FBI file.
It places FMD at the location in question in the years 1957 through 1963.
You barked at me when I showed a picture of that house claiming FMD didn’t live there in the 60s.
I looked into it.
I have the proof.
You won’t acknowledge it.
Something is very fishy. It calls into question your motives . It also makes me think you have come across other information that you don’t reveal because it doesn’t fit your agenda.
The harder you try to push away the idea that FMD could be the father despite evidence that FMD did live in Honolulu the more I think that you are trying to hide something for a purpose....what purpose I don’t know
When faced with the REALITY of FMD living in Honolulu all you and your tag team buddy can do is call me barking mad..because you no long can refute that FMD lived in Honolulu.
You are very suspicious to me.
When someone barks in the face of evidence..there is a problem.
Yes, you are using tag team tactics. Let me remind you that you said you read the FBI file and that you saw contradictory info.
When Nerks said there was contradictory info about the residence in 1957 ...I showed that he was wrong.
But you refuse to provide a link or a page number .
Perhaps it is because when I go to that page number I will see that your claim is BS.
Don't know who the mother is. Don't know who the father is. Don't know his date of birth. Don't know his name when he was born. Don't know where he was born.
And that's just from the first few moments of his life.
Onaka, on that 'verification' he didn't sign, left out TWO ITEMS.
THE NAME OF THE MOTHER THE DATE OF BIRTH.
So even the Hawaii Dep of Health won't put their name to who the mother might have been, and they can't include the date because Anna Obama had a child in Hawaii many months before the famous 'birthdate' in August, which very likely belonged to Virginia Sunahara.
Behold the two little boys, the one on the right is zero, the other looks so much like his father it's a wonder no one noticed. (AND HIS NAME ISN'T MARK, because Mark wasn't born until after Ruth arrived in Kenya in December 1964.)
So let’s say every word you say is the truth of what really happened.
And you don’t think the CIA was involved with ANY of it?????
There is no way this could have happened and stayed quiet if it was only the KGB
There is no way all of this would have stayed quiet if at least one (and maybe more) 3 letter agency wasn’t involved...if your claims of the truth are correct.
Sorry, this has all got out of hand because you are suspicious, and it’s really no skin off my nose where FMD lived. I simply cannot find the information you say is there, I keep telling you I am not going to read that file again.
Print out the pages, scan them, publish them here. And get over it.
You have a psychological barrier, it prevents you from acknowledging that there’s a doubt SAD is the mother of zero, and I guess you see red when I bring it up.
I’m not responsible for that.
Blame ONAKA. He wouldn’t name her either.
Since you can’t show me the contradictory evidence in the FBI report that you claim is there ...which isn’t because your posting a load of BS....
how about answering how Obama can have a missing mother, missing information, how Ann has various Passport inconsistencies and all the things that Fred Nerks just posted..without the involvement of a 3 letter US agency in the saga of both Obama Sr AND Lolo.
You are misdirecting AGAIN for some purpose while refusing to acknowledge evidence.
I have stated that anything is possible because I have no doubt in my mind that the family was involved with the Spooks.
The real question is why a thorough researcher didn’t comb through those FBI files looking for clues. Because if he had, he would know that FMD was in Honolulu from 1957-1963.
There is a huge red flag where you are concerned. You are directing away from FMD for some reason. This makes me put more focus on it. It makes me wonder what is up with you that it is so necessary to deflect from FMD.
A reasonable researcher would acknowledge the facts.
You are misdirecting.
Every seventeen-year old girl's dream.
Lady, you convinced me. You are one sick little puppy. This conversation has already gone on far too long. It’s over.
Ever heard of a Honey Trap.
Not that I really think Ann was one.
But it has been done. Especially when it comes to Communists.
The CIA even tried to overthrow a leader using a fake honey trap. It blew up in their faces when the video only made the leader more popular .
I know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Something is wrong with you. I don’t mean personally.
I mean with what you are doing.
BIG BIG BIG RED FLAG IS Raised.
I am not surprised you are disappearing.
You have no recourse.
You have nothing but a silly really unbelievable answer as to why you refuse to acknowledge FMD was in Honolulu from 1957 to 1963.
You are busted.
Oh, and I guess you also can’t answer how your scenario that you keep pushing could be possible without the help of some 3 letter governmental agency.
Here is a tip for those that have delved really hard into Obama’s past.
Look closely at what Nerks is trying to hide.
There is something there he doesn’t want you to see. To the point that he won’t even acknowledge evidence in an FBI file.
Don’t know what it is...but there is something about FMD that he is trying to direct you away from.
I mean with what you are doing. BIG BIG BIG RED FLAG IS Raised.
You're either stark mad or pointing the finger at someone else when you yourself are the guilty party. I am not going to respond to your barking nutcase comments any more.
Are you going to tell me how the scenario that you and Nerks are pushing could possibly happen without the involvement of the CIA????
Yes indeed, two very important items that are on birth records; missing from Zero’s current edition or whatever “yes the crap you have corresponds with the crap we have” statement from the DoH in HI. After 2 months of back and forth legalese jive.
If the real BHO son of the Kenyan ID was just switched with Zero, they could have used his documents and just changed the mother’s name. (If the son of the Kenyan was born in HI, which sometimes I think may not have been the case, if the dock photo is sort of accurate, it may have been an arrival from someplace else, but who knows.)
But if they used the documents of the son of the Kenyan and added SAD’s name, then she would have been way too young to fit the scenario. Thus they used Virginia Sunahara birth date and number. “Oh what a tangled web we weave” etc. Now they have layers and layers of lies, with so many individuals, agencies and organizations invovled - one thing I am sure of, plenty of people are sweating bullets right this minute.
And with that happy happy thought, good night!
The barrel chested, chinless wonder sucking his tummy in, is Frank Marshall Davis in his younger years...and the tanned individual(you can see where his watch used to be) with the skinny arms and legs is you-know-who. If that's father and son you are looking at, I'm a cross between a giraffe and a walruss.
The photo of the elderly FMD is the nail in the coffin, or should be for any rational person. What a hunk - the dream boy of all high school girls in those days.
I have asked you to identify the FBI pages that had the conflicting information in 1957. You identified two pages that don’t say what you say they said.
I asked you to admit that the FBI files indicate that FMD lived in Honolulu from 1957-63. I gave you the link. You say you can’t find it. I even gave you a page number. You can’t find it.
You say you had the files all along but never read them for clues.
I asked you to tell me how your scenario for Obama could have possibly played out as you claim without the assistance of the CIA. You can’t tell me how.
Yes, a big red flag is raised. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge evidence in a FBI file is suspect.
The only question that I can’t figure out yet is why you are deflecting away from FMD- so much so that you give a silly excuse that shows subpar research skills.
There is something there.
It is more believable to think the FMD is the father than this elaborate scheme you have concocted to explain OBama.
But since I believe the they were involved with the Spooks I don’t find it impossible since the CIA has, can, and will concoct all kinds of schemes to further their cause at any given time.
Tell me the reason why and what the incentive was for the Dunhams to concoct this grandiose scheme involving a fake son, birth certificate, and a whole cover story.
Also, notice the SS agent in the backround? Quite a contrast with Obama.
Self ping for later.
I'm not sure what the spat is about, but it's clearly in the FBI file on PDF page 37/40. I'll transcribe:
On September 5, 1963, [redacted] reported that DAVIS still resides at 2994 Kalihi Street with his wife and four children. DAVIS is a Salesman for the Wright Company of Syracuse, New York, working out of his home. He handles mainly advertising specialties. He also works as a freelance salesman for other mainland business firms.
On page 35/40 from 1950, the report says:
Subject has bought a house near Punaluu on the windward Oahu.
On page 22/50 from 1957, the report says:
In the middle of July 1957 the couple became estranged and the subject moved to the Atkinson Drive YMCA. In late August the couple began living together again.
Today, the YMCA is at 401 Atkinson Drive, Honolulu.
The shack residence that you referred to is mentioned on page 11/40 ca. 1953:
Care of Hauula Post Office, Oahu T.H., House is located between Kaliuwaa and Punaluu, Oahu, about 100 feet beyond the turn to Sacred Forest, and is the third house from the Ching Tong Sing store on the beach side toward Hauula.
I hope this helps.
thank you very much, but I STILL can’t see where there’s anything that tells us his address for 1960.
‘The Spat’ was all about the gossip that Stanley Ann Dunham, who supposedly became pregnant in 1960, used to visit Frank Marshall Davis on her own at his house, to listen to jazz.
And my comment was, all I knew about Davis suggested that he lived a long way out of Honolulu at the time.
FOUR looks through that FBI file and I still can’t tell where he was in 1960. Can you?
I didn’t say he NEVER lived in Honolulu, but I did expect that anyone who maintained he was in a relationship in 1960 with a girl just out of high school, might be able to confirm where he was living AT THAT TIME.
My guess would be this address, or the FBI would have noted otherwise.
I'm not sure about the who, but that's what I think is the how.
And, like everyone else who subscribes to the FMD-father theory, you have a 17 year old high school girl in a relationship with an ugly old man 15 years older than her father. And Helen Canfield and her brood in the house while this girl was visiting her husband...'in the habit of visiting him to listen to jazz'? We all know where that silly story came from, don't we? Anyone who believes the exotic photographs from free-vintage-porn.com are of Stanley Ann Dunham, is harking back to the record-covers around the christmas tree.
But Frank Marshall Davis is better for a father than Malcolm X any day, and as no one can place Stanley Ann Dunham with MX, that's dangerous territory. It suggests you have no idea who his mother OR father were.
So scary, that some freepers would like to see me banned for telling it the way it is. Time will tell. If it doesn't, Ayres wins.
It's all just wild speculation on my part, but Davis was a family friend.
“...Why else would Davis remain in Obama’s life, except for guilt?”
Money. Same for Stanley Armour Dunham. Both men were broke, unemployed, ‘selling’ on the telephone, the last refuge of the unemployable.
FMD nade it clear that the Honolulu Record couldn’t afford to pay him. By the early fifties he had a business that suspiciously burned down...Stanley Armour’s employment as listed in the Polk in the early sixties seems to have petered out. Madelyn was bringing home the bacon, and Helen Canfield was reported to be having an affair with a musician, life wasn’t rosy in Hawaii.
Someone made them an offer?
Madelyn left half a million dollars to zero in her Will. She lived in a rented apartment for many years. She was frugal, but her husband would have contributed little.
It’s all gossip, I’m not going to look for source links, that’s just the way it was. Problem is, although no one believes the myth of ‘Dreams’ or say they don’t, there’s not a single discussion where the myth isn’t used as template.
Keep doing that, and Ayres wins.
Where was Stanley Ann Dunham between when she graduated high school and when she showed up in Hawaii in 1963.
SHOW ME. And no, not with forged documents. I want to see the body. If all you’ve got is the erotic images which resemble her slightly, it’s not enough.
PS. I’m not an obot and I’m not a subversive, I’m an Aussie and we are hard to fool, that’s all. Very hard.
Which reminds me, you say that the man in the background is quite a contrast, would you mind explaining how?
He’s heavier, he appears to be sunburnt, he’s a white man by the look of it...and zero only has a ‘black’ face and neck.
Am I missing something?
If his body and face were the same colour as where the watch used to be, would he still be a coloured person?
There is no conflicting info on addresses IN THE FBI FILE. This is something made up by Fred Nerks. If you read the posts carefully by the tag team at least one tried to claim that the FBI file says he lived 35 miles from Honolulu into the 60s. It just isn’t true.
There IS information on the progression of his residences in the FBI file. It took very little time for me to find the FBI files and it took very little time to see this progression..that for some reason Fred Nerks won’t admit exists as he continues to deflect from FMD...with a concocted scheme of a fake son , fake mother, fake birth certificate, and an elaborate cover story that couldn’t possibly have happened without the assistance of the government at the time.
Sheesh, Ann went into a country that was a hotbed of Communism. A country that the CIA had been trying to overthrow since at least the 50s even to the point where they used a fake Honey trap.
A country that was still ruthlessly killing people that were Communists when she went..and the CIA didn’t know about Ann given Lolo was attending a CIA affiliated school??? No concocted scheme that Fred Nerks is espousing could have happened without assistance that lasted this long with info down a black hole.
It is beyond me how someone can claim I am barking mad for thinking the family was involved with the CIA when those same people concoct a bizarre fake cover story for a fake son, fake mother, fake birth certificate.
From My Post:
“I will point you to this information AGAIN:
From my post:
page 5 of pdf
July 22 1960 SAME ADDRESS
June 29 1961 SAME ADDRESS
July 12 1962 SAME ADDRESS
I have never bothered to look at where FMD was living in certain years until last night...when such a brouhaha was made out of it.
It is beyond me why people who were interested in where he lived couldnt find this info. I know it wasnt just put on the net.
For every single year since 1957 the FBI file shows he lived in Honolulu until 1963 INCLUDING 1960. I even made a post that went through the progression of years with the exact wording of each year .
This HUGE question for me is:
Why continue the charade of FMD not being in Honolulu when the FBI file says he was???
“In the early sixties, the address shown on the FBI report is described as in a small town on the windward side of OHAU. He didnt LIVE in Honolulu. Is that what you call research? Just throw a misleading address in there and thats it? What a disappointment. Does the FBI report include the address you posted”
Very very interesting post by Fred Nerks. That FBI file DOES NOT say what he says it does.
You can find the wording about the small town in 1956
In 1956 you will see wording that they moved from that location to Kam Hwy.
In 1957 you will see wording that says “now resided in Honolulu”
It is clear that a thorough researcher interested in finding the truth can easily see from those FBI files that FMD moved to Hawaii in 1957 and stayed there until 1963. Each year the FBI confirms FMD still lives in the same location.
So why lie about what is in the FBI Files???????????????????? To try to deflect away from FMD for the people who don’t actually go look at those files.
“thank you, but the nitty gritty is that there’s nothing that confirms where he was living in 1960,”
“PS. Im not an obot and Im not a subversive, Im an Aussie and we are hard to fool, thats all. Very hard.”
Evidently you are pretty easy to fool since you can’t find that FMD lived in Honolulu in 1960.
A credit bureau in Hawaii shows that FMD lived in Honolulu and an informant stated that FMD lived in Honolulu.
Given the way there were investigating FMD, if that information wasn’t true it would have been in the file.
Page 24 of the pdf.
How are you now going to get out of this. By pretending you can’t be bothered to read the information?
Btw, you don’t have ANYTHING to prove where Ann was. In Hawaii not in Hawaii. You don’t know. Show me proof that she was NOT in Hawaii.
Here’s something to consider.
Finding what ever facts there are - sourced facts, not what some guy writes in a book - without pretending to know or speculate about motives or grandiose plans - is one method of determining the unknown. Looking for facts no matter where they take one. Find enough facts, and the persons and motives become clear.
Second method - find a few facts, add to the meager mixture “stuff written in books” that is not sourced, and then speculate about motives and connections and grandiose plans and from that time on, reject facts that don’t fit one’s fondly held beliefs, but instead, use the prism of fondly held beliefs as spectacles to determine what is useful and what to reject.
Which method works better to find the truth?
FN is using the first method.
RC is using the second method.
The only way to see this forest is to clear the mind utterly of any preconceptions about the principals involved. When I finally did that I could see the forest. CLing on to beliefs - any of the myth in “Dreams” - and the result is you have to keep trying to stuff square pegs into round holes for years. Nothing fits...
Let’s see...the tag team has developed a GRANDIOSE scenario involving a FAKE son, a FAKE mother, a FAKE family, a FAKE birth certificate.
Based on what???
Still no explanation from the tag team as to WHY this grandiose scheme was put in place or how it could have possibly happened without the involvement of at least one 3 letter govermental agency.
While the head guy of the tag team STILL refuses to acknowlege that the FBI files show FMD in honolulu in 1960.
And here is a HUGE clue for the tag team. I don’t know who the father is of Obama. I really don’t have an opinion on it. What has raised the red flag is the behavior of the tag team as it relates to FMD. FMD may not be the father. It may the a Cuban since there is an email floating around purported from a Bay of Pigs operative that says Ann got pregnant by Cuban. It could be anybody.
But the tag team sure is doing their damndest to deflect away from FMD and the photos of Ann - which I don’t even think are of her. But in discussing those photos..I sure don’t claim that there is no evidence that FMD was in Honolulu at the time.
Bad research or trying to hide information. Don’t know the answer as to what is motivating the tag team.