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Scientists Late to Recognize Human and Giant Mammal Coexistence (article)
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 5-30-2012 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 05/30/2012 11:41:28 AM PDT by fishtank

"Giant mammals roamed North America during the Ice Age, but were humans among them? A site in Vero Beach on Florida's East coast contains mammoth, mastodon, giant ground sloth—and human fossils. The problem is that humans were not yet supposed to have been there, according to the standard story told to generations of archaeologists.

When discovered in the early 1900s, researchers insisted that the Vero Beach human remains washed in long after the large mammals fossilized. But new results, like so many other similar reinvestigations of old sites, show they were made at the same time and that humans lived and died in North America long before believed. What took researchers so long to acknowledge that?

The reason why it took so long for the evidence to come to light may be the same reason why fossil evidence of humans and dinosaurs is so scarce."

more at link...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clovis; gagdadbob; giant; onecosmosblog
Awesome article.
1 posted on 05/30/2012 11:41:36 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

We are liberals! We believe in Science!!

Until it produces facts that disagree with our beliefs. Then we argue, name call, question your motives, and, finally, reject the facts.


2 posted on 05/30/2012 11:48:04 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: fishtank

How retarded. Of course humans and mammoths coexisted—whom do they think created all those cave paintings?


3 posted on 05/30/2012 11:50:11 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: fishtank

I love the smell of Strawmen in the morning.


4 posted on 05/30/2012 11:55:04 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: fishtank

So, this article is pointing out that a fairly long-held scientific view (hardly “dogma,” as the writer puts it) is being disproved by a growing mass of new information. And so?? It happens frequently.


5 posted on 05/30/2012 11:58:27 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: fishtank
That humans & mammoths coexisted is not news. Or even in dispute.

Of course, ICR wants people to make the leap that humans & dinosaurs coexisted. Because any other scenario is downright unbiblical.

6 posted on 05/30/2012 12:03:21 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Clara Lou
It happens frequently.

But that's kind of the point. People who do not buy into the concept of macro-evolution and typically brushed aside: "Bug off! I'm a scientist! Who are you???"

But then things change, and the scientist who was so sure of himself is found to be wrong, and now has a new conclusion, which is once again unassailable: "That's how science is done! Now we know more! This time the science is settled! Bug off!"

It's not science. It's scientism.

7 posted on 05/30/2012 12:06:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Clara Lou

but we creationist have been telling ‘science so-called’ for years, they were wrong and we were right...that is why it is being pointed out....


8 posted on 05/30/2012 12:09:20 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: ClearCase_guy

“It’s scientism.” No, it’s “ego.”


9 posted on 05/30/2012 12:09:57 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: fishtank

Pathetic. Is this what its come to? The ID’ers at least attempted to formulate some sort of intellectually respectable alternative to abiogenesis. This is just silly.

Biologist: We’ve had to revise our estimates as to when humans populated this particular region.

ICR: SEE!! DEM SCIENTIST DUN KNOW NUFFINZ!

Lordy lordy...


10 posted on 05/30/2012 12:13:07 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: fishtank

Pathetic. Is this what its come to? The ID’ers at least attempted to formulate some sort of intellectually respectable alternative to abiogenesis. This is just silly.

Biologist: We’ve had to revise our estimates as to when humans populated this a region.

ICR: HURR!! SCIENTIS DUN KNOW NUFFINZ!!

Lordy lordy...


11 posted on 05/30/2012 12:14:20 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: fishtank
But new results, like so many other similar reinvestigations of old sites, show they were made at the same time and that humans lived and died in North America long before believed. What took researchers so long to acknowledge that?

They can't acknowledge that Indians were not the first native Americans.

It would damage their victim status.

12 posted on 05/30/2012 12:15:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: raygunfan

okey dokey


13 posted on 05/30/2012 12:16:51 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: fishtank

“The problem is that humans were not yet supposed to have been there, according to the standard story told to generations of archaeologists. “
??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Clovis first is pretty much out the window and most palaeontologists and anthropologists believe man was here before the Clovis extinctions of the Pleistocene Megafauna.

To my knowledge, they ACKNOWLEDGED the presence of clovis projectiles in Mammoth bones.


14 posted on 05/30/2012 12:23:46 PM PDT by ZULU (Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.)
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To: fishtank

Alley Oop’s family?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6IpmmYSXA


15 posted on 05/30/2012 12:28:51 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Darteaus94025

The PC history of North America says that the natives were living here well in tune with nature, and each other, and everything was fine for millennia until the Europeans showed up and “raped the Earth”.

The mass extinction of all those cuddly mammoths caused by the Native Americans just does not fit into the liberal mythology.

The inner part of the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State was not tread by man until some white Americans did it well into the nineteenth century. The deer and other large mammals there had never seen people and were quite fearless of them. Now imagine two whole continents full of mammals who had never seen people until the natives arrived. Easy pickin’s for that expanding edge of humans who first arrived.

Mammoth - it’s what’s for dinner.


16 posted on 05/30/2012 12:30:25 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: fishtank

“Scientists Late to Recognize Human and Giant Mammal Coexistence.”

I had no idea that the relationship between humans and NBA Basketball players went that far back into antiquity. /s


17 posted on 05/30/2012 12:36:44 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: Darteaus94025
The fact is, there is/was a consensus among scientists that huge mammals and humans did not coexist. When there is a consensus, it is fact.
Is not this what they are telling us about Globull Warming?
18 posted on 05/30/2012 12:39:41 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: fishtank

All I had to do is read the title to know where this came from.


19 posted on 05/30/2012 12:39:48 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: fishtank

Aren’t atheist ‘sceintists” arresting people for making creationist claims in scientific results? ;)


20 posted on 05/30/2012 12:46:26 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tupelo
The fact is, there is/was a consensus among scientists that huge mammals and humans did not coexist.

If there is/was such a consensus, it didn't exist in the 1970s when I was in elementary school & we learned humans & mammoths coexisted.

21 posted on 05/30/2012 12:49:06 PM PDT by gdani
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To: ZULU

20+ years ago there was a Mastadon find close to me in Michigan. It was noted then that there were marks on the leg joints that indicated the Natives used tools to
dismember the beast.

If I remember correctly there was also some evidence that they then stored some of the meat by submerging it in the bottom of lakes.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1988&dat=19860612&id=00QiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-asFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3541,3614265


22 posted on 05/30/2012 12:52:10 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

ding ding ding ....... winner


23 posted on 05/30/2012 12:54:03 PM PDT by IBIAFR
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To: dinodino

The issue, I believe, is did they co-exist in North America?

IIRC, all of the cave paintings are from Europe, where Home Sapiens evidence goes back 50K+ years, whereas the Clovis people, the first humans in North America came about 14K years ago.


24 posted on 05/30/2012 1:01:34 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: gdani
"That humans & mammoths coexisted is not news. Or even in dispute.Of course, ICR wants people to make the leap that humans & dinosaurs coexisted. Because any other scenario is downright unbiblical."

True. For some "interpreters" :)

"Without a doubt, the ultimate Black Swan is whatever it was that permitted merely genetic human beings to emerge into full humanness just yesterday (cosmically speaking), some 50,000 years ago. .....

"....once man consciously enters the sensorium of time and space, he is implicitly aware of both Absolute and Infinite, and therefore Love, Truth, Justice, Beauty, Virtue, and Eternity. These are the things that define man, not his genome. ....."

Creation Myths of the Tenured

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Why Darwinists Reject Evolution

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The Darwinian Tower of Monkey Babble

bttt

25 posted on 05/30/2012 1:01:57 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("There is no limit to the depravity of the liberal mind" ~ Rush Limbaugh 5/23/12)
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To: fishtank

Very interesting—worth the read.


26 posted on 05/30/2012 1:10:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: BigBobber

The Māori arrived sometime before A.D. 1300, and all moa genera were soon driven to extinction by hunting and, to a lesser extent, forest clearance. By about A.D. 1400 almost all moa are generally thought to have become extinct, along with the Haast’s Eagle which had relied on them for food. Recent research using carbon-14 dating of middens strongly suggests that this took less than a hundred years,[39] rather than the period of exploitation lasting several hundred years which had been earlier believed. Moa it was what’s for dinner in New Zealand way before the European arrived.


27 posted on 05/30/2012 1:22:31 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: BigBobber
Easy pickin’s for that expanding edge of humans who first arrived.

I don't think hunting a 6 ton animal with a sharpened stick "easy pickins". I am sure the first jab really keyed in the mammoth real quick.

28 posted on 05/30/2012 1:30:16 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Darteaus94025

So your programing hasn’t taken affect.....Hmmmmm, don’t you know that the “SCIENCE IS SETTLED”???????

But seriously folks, what part of the Clovis spear point being European in origin and not Asian that they won’t accept.


29 posted on 05/30/2012 1:31:43 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: fishtank

Thanks for this thread.


30 posted on 05/30/2012 3:46:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: BigBobber
The mass extinction of all those cuddly mammoths caused by the Native Americans just does not fit into the liberal mythology.

There were other animals of that time period who went extinct also, at least one type of antelope and a long horned bison bit the dust along with the mammoths, IIRC.

31 posted on 05/30/2012 5:53:03 PM PDT by calex59
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
They can't acknowledge that Indians were not the first native Americans. It would damage their victim status.

You know, I've often wondered about "native Americans". Isn't anyone born in North America a native American?

On the other hand, maybe you're not a native if your ancestors came from somewhere else, in which case nobody, but nobody, is a native American.

I propose a solution. We have African Americans, Caribbean Americans and European Americans. So why don't we call those red guys "Siberian Americans"? Because (a) it's the truth, and (b) it would irritate the H* out of them.

32 posted on 05/30/2012 11:47:00 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: Matchett-PI

The article also mentions that level 2 is sedimentary and I’d like to point out that a REALLY LARGE FLOOD would produce sedimentation as the waters retreat. Scientific evidence for biblical events is found OFTEN and NEVER acknowledged by these atheists.


33 posted on 05/31/2012 10:00:47 AM PDT by trumpetvine
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