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USS Iowa battleship arrives off San Pedro coast
ABC ^ | May 30, 2012 | John Gregory

Posted on 05/30/2012 12:18:00 PM PDT by moonshot925

SAN PEDRO, Calif. (KABC) -- The historic USS Iowa battleship arrived off the coast of San Pedro Wednesday morning, marking an exciting event.

Crews were cleaning the vessel as it pulled into San Pedro. The ship will stay on the coast for a few days before docking at its permanent home. The ship is expected to open to the public July 7.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: battleship; iowa; museum; navy
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I love those 16" inch guns


1 posted on 05/30/2012 12:18:04 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

USS Iowa - the queen of the seas!


2 posted on 05/30/2012 12:22:53 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: stylecouncilor

I’m eventually going to go aboard this ship. I think it opens 7/7.


3 posted on 05/30/2012 12:23:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: moonshot925
I love those 16" inch guns

So does Sandra Fluke.

4 posted on 05/30/2012 12:31:01 PM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: onedoug
Wife and I visited the Iowa's sister ship, the Missouri at Pearl Harbor two years ago. The big BB had just come out of dry dock and looked like a million bucks. Even the officer's dining area was set.
I hope I can see the Iowa after she is trimmed and painted.
5 posted on 05/30/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JRios1968
I love those 16" inch guns.

So does Sandra Fluke.

And nine of 'em at once!

6 posted on 05/30/2012 12:33:31 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: moonshot925
Navy training film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU&feature=related

7 posted on 05/30/2012 12:35:37 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The New Jersey is also on display here in NJ.

Where is the Wisconsin...?

8 posted on 05/30/2012 12:37:05 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: moonshot925

When do they start shelling ‘Kalifornication’?


9 posted on 05/30/2012 12:40:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Victor

Wisconsin is at the Nauticus Museum in Norfolk, Virginia.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 12:41:43 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Victor

BB-64 is in Norfolk, VA.


11 posted on 05/30/2012 12:43:48 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Based on Fluke’s expenses she would need 39 of those a day.


12 posted on 05/30/2012 12:44:49 PM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: ArmyTeach
I built a 1/350 scale model of the USS New Jersey BB-62, the same class vessel and upgraded like the USS Iowa under regan in the 1980s with 32 Tomahawk missiles, 16 Harpoon missiles, four CIWS and the sensors and fire control to operate them. Tremendous vessels, dating their service back to world War II...then involved militarily through The 1st Gulf War.

They are worthy of being held in museum status...and, as I understand it, according to legislation, some form of readinees status too should they ever need to be called upon again to serve.

Something about those 2000 lb 16" projectiles that strikes fear into any enemey to this day.

If you haven't seen it, I would highly recommend seeig the movie, . GREAT US Navy movie, great action, special effects, acting...you leave being proud to be an American.

Here's a link to my model build:


1/350 Scale Model of the USS New Jersey, BB-62

13 posted on 05/30/2012 12:45:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Charles Martel

We toured the Midway at San Diego in March of this year.
It would be hard to top what the Midway offers in the way of history, airplanes, exhibits, etc.
If you go, it’s a full day tour.


14 posted on 05/30/2012 12:46:24 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JRios1968

So does Connie Miller. As an Iowa junior, we played under the guns in 1954.


15 posted on 05/30/2012 12:46:43 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: Jeff Head

Absolutely wonderful!


16 posted on 05/30/2012 12:48:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: Cheburashka

Great flick...I watched the whole thing...thanks!!


17 posted on 05/30/2012 12:48:28 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: ArmyTeach

You tag line is also on the Iowa state flag.


18 posted on 05/30/2012 12:49:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Jeff Head

The battleship is obsolete. The only thing battleships are good for today is naval fire support. That can be done by guided missiles destroyers which are much less expensive to operate.


19 posted on 05/30/2012 12:52:30 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Jeff Head

There is a 1/350 scale model of a missile?????

I WANT!!


20 posted on 05/30/2012 1:04:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: moonshot925
Of course the fire support can be handled by DDGs missiles, nobody is saying anything different.

But the fact is, the BBs were build much stronger than today's DDGs and they could take a lot of punishment. What Reagan did to the four BBs in the 1980s was very smart. Not only did he get strong combatants for that day (this was pre-VLS days and so 32 Tomahawks on one platform was a large number, not to mention 16 harpoons) and he also scared the Russians.

Later reports (after the fall) showed that the Soviets were worried about the modernized Iowa class. With their Tomahawks and Harpoons, and their heavy armor they were going to be a serious threat to the Soviet surface fleet and the Russians knew what kind of punishment those vessels could take.

So, by act of Congress they are held in some readiness, just in case. I doubt they will ever go to sea again as commissioned vessels. But they were good to have around...and no Tomahawk or other missile, short of one of our air dropped Daisy Cutters or later varieites of the big bombs could do as much conventional damage as that 16", 2000 lbs of HE. Our guided missile warheads are very small by comparison.

Anyhow, It was not muy intent to indicate that they are modern vessels and they are certainly expensive to operate because of all of their old machinary, engines, etc.

The new Zumwalt Class DDGs are meant to replace their fire support misison with their two 155mm Naval Guns which can fire the new Long Range munitions 70-80 miles and GPS accurate...and fast enough to equate to two or three batteries of land based 155mm Howitzers. They will be the new, modern Battleships, if you will, but also carrying 80 VLS tubess for anything from SM IV anit-air missiles to Tomoahawks, to the new Tactical Tomahawks, to VLASROC, etc.

21 posted on 05/30/2012 1:05:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: moonshot925

“The battleship is obsolete. The only thing battleships are good for today is naval fire support. That can be done by guided missiles destroyers which are much less expensive to operate.”

I disagree. The battleships sported an armored belt that would be most handy in the age of suicide bombers. The blast that nearly sunk the USS Cole would have only scorched the paint on the Iowa.

And the best anti-missile technology extant is useless against an incoming 16” shell.

The battleship in an updated form would still be a formidable weapons platform. But it’s the money that dictates the thin-skinned destroyers the USN is relying on anymore. As more and more of our cruisers head for decommissioning the USN will soon be a destroyer navy and if Obama has his way they’l only have four aircraft carriers to protect.

Launching some robust and tough battlewagons wouldn’t be a bad idea.


22 posted on 05/30/2012 1:08:16 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

3 for each hole


23 posted on 05/30/2012 1:09:28 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

3 for each hole


24 posted on 05/30/2012 1:09:50 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Kartographer

To bad it can’t shell New Mexico


25 posted on 05/30/2012 1:11:06 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Checked it out, I saw that.


26 posted on 05/30/2012 1:12:50 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize, our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: MeganC
New battlewagons ?
There were plans for a larger class of BBs, called the Montana Class. They featured two turrets on front and rear, for a total of 12 sixteen inch guns.

There were to be 890 feet long at the waterline. 121 feet wide.

The Montana was to be BB-67, followed by the Ohio, the Maine, the New Hampshire and the Louisiana.

27 posted on 05/30/2012 1:15:52 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: freedumb2003

Hehehe...there are scale models of them to place on the vessels...but these don’t operate and go BOOM! LOL!


28 posted on 05/30/2012 1:17:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Cheburashka

Thanks for posting that. Had a great time watching the rest of the films as well.


29 posted on 05/30/2012 1:19:02 PM PDT by xone
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To: ArmyTeach
The officers’ china service is stored (some may be on display) at the Iowa statehouse in Des Moines. It's possible that the state will return the china when the Iowa is refurbished.
30 posted on 05/30/2012 1:21:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: moonshot925

Oh boy, I will make a special trip just to see that! Used to live in that area. I toured the USS New Jersey in Long Beach in Feb. 1983. Saw the Missouri at Pearl Harbor a few years ago.


31 posted on 05/30/2012 1:25:52 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: Jeff Head

I agree with you about Reagan. He refitted the Iowa class with 32 Tomahawks, 16 harpoons and 4 CIWS as a response to the Soviet Kirov class battlecruisers. The AMAZING thing about the Zumwalt is its integrated power system. It can divide 78 MW between between propulsion and power to the ship’s electronic systems. The Burke destroyers can only produce 7.5 MW of power.


32 posted on 05/30/2012 1:42:38 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Yep...same amazing power availability to the new Ford Class. That’s why things like the EMALS systems will work and why those class vessels may eventually sport Laser CIWS and Rail Gun tachnology.

We’ll see.

Rail gun technology will be a real game changer.


33 posted on 05/30/2012 1:52:23 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: moonshot925

I love that pic... that’s some sound and fury right there.


34 posted on 05/30/2012 1:57:22 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: al baby

I’m glad that most of the rest of this thread has not sunk to our level. Heh heh heh!


35 posted on 05/30/2012 2:04:31 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I held the door for this Asian guy and he said “Sank you.”
...so I punched him in the face. Can’t believe he brought up Pearl Harbor like that.


36 posted on 05/30/2012 2:08:14 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Jeff Head

It makes me wonder, why are the British Queen Elizabeth class carriers not going to be nuclear powered? Too save money? In the long term, this will be a mistake.


37 posted on 05/30/2012 2:23:12 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
The Current government in the UK is even worse than Obama (if you can believe it) when it comes to military because the House of Commons and Lords is lock step with the PM.

Obama cannot clear the House for what he would otherwise do (thank God for 2010)...but what he is doing is bad enough.

So, yes, to save money and to avoid the tough decisions required to revamp their military to where it ought to be.

They want to keep the jobs or they would not be building them at all. As it is, the first will operate for almost 4 years woithout and air wing, and then receive it while the second comes out without an air wing for 2-3 years until the F-35 orders catch up. Sad.

38 posted on 05/30/2012 2:33:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Cheburashka

Thanks for the link, and several hours of education.


39 posted on 05/30/2012 2:39:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: moonshot925
The battleship is obsolete.

You seem very convinced.

The only thing battleships are good for today is naval fire support.

So... you can accurately predict the style, type, and location of the next 'war' the US will be involved in ?

What are tomorrow's lottery number winners for my state?

40 posted on 05/30/2012 2:44:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; MeganC
Model of Montana Class Battleship.


41 posted on 05/30/2012 2:48:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Dont’ know if you’ve seen this. Thought you might enjoy.

United States “Never-Were” Designs
http://wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Misc/NeverWeres/united.htm


42 posted on 05/30/2012 2:53:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

“You seem very convinced”

WW2 saw the death knell of battleships and the dominant force in naval warfare. Time and again, from Pearl Harbor to Mers-el-Kebir, to Taranto to the sinking of the HMS Repulse on the high seas, to the bitter end of the Japanese Battleship Yamato, air power was shown to be the dominant force in naval warfare. Billy Mitchell had been dead right. Against concerted air attack, and lacking air cover of its own, battleships were sitting ducks.


43 posted on 05/30/2012 3:08:02 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Kartographer
Eight posts before a California basher shows up.

LOL! What kept you?

44 posted on 05/30/2012 3:15:32 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: al baby

Not so sure it can’t those guns have one hell of a reach!


45 posted on 05/30/2012 3:15:49 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Jeff Head

One of the awesome things to see on the Missouri is a clear 3D plastic model of the 16” gun ammo handling mechanisms. The darn things go almost down to the keel through several decks. You usually only see the guns sitting there, with no clue as to how the shells get fed up there.

Suppose I wonder about just how much “readiness” these ships have. The Missouri has engines removed, and the gun elevation mechanisms gone. One of the tricks the crew turning it into a museum had was elevating them from an embarrassing droop to the deck.


46 posted on 05/30/2012 3:23:22 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: ArmyTeach

I am from Keokuk. Did you play with Logan?


47 posted on 05/30/2012 3:34:05 PM PDT by 4kids dad
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To: doorgunner69

I believe the Congressional legislation (Section 1011 of the National Defense Authorization Act for 1996) only stated that two had to be kept in a state of readiness, even if used as museums. The two picked were the New Jersey and Wisonsin I believe.

I believe that the legislation included that the Navy retain whatever logistical support necessary to keep the two battleships available for service if necessary, including technical manuals, repair and replacement parts, ordinance availability, etc.

Whether that is occurring under the Obama administration, I cannot say. It would be difficult to retain the personnel and their training to man the vessels if they were ever needed, particualry as time goes on and they sit there open to the public.


48 posted on 05/30/2012 3:51:46 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: UCANSEE2

Wow. Thanks very much.
Every time a battle ship story presents itself in FR, I get to learn something.


49 posted on 05/30/2012 4:15:30 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Jeff Head
Several of us got to ride the NEW JERSEY, June 1990 as civilians from Longview WA to Portland OR (50 miles), as a part of the Rose Festival.

We were to board in Astoria OR for a 100-mile trip, but Greenpeace loons dangled from the bridge to Washington state as the ship attempted to cross under.

Either FR or YouTube won't allow the bridge incident video to be linked here.

It was incredible the number of people and cars at vantage points along the way - including the hordes that pulled over to the shoulder where I-5 s/b semi-skirts the river at several locations.

This was a historic trip. IIRC it was the largest ship to transit the Columbia River, and its last port call before being put out to pasture.

Astoria, OR was also the last port of call May 23, 1998 for USS MISSOURI on being towed to Hawaii from Bremerton so she could sit in fresh water to kill and drop the saltwater barnacles, etc that had grown on her hull. Open house was conducted for thousands during the few days she was there.

50 posted on 05/30/2012 4:19:39 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Never Argue With A LIBERAL...They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!)
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