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Prepper Sentenced to 21 Months In Prison For Stockpiling “Destructive Devices”
SHTFPlan ^ | 5/30/2012 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 05/31/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by JohnKinAK

Prepper Sentenced to 21 Months In Prison For Stockpiling “Destructive Devices” After Insider Rats Him Out

OpSec, or Operational Security, is an important rule to follow for those who have chosen to prepare for emergencies by stockpiling food, self defense armaments and disaster supplies.

It’s simple, really. Don’t talk about your preparedness supplies unless it is with trusted people with whom you will be working if a worst case scenario comes to pass. Otherwise, if the world around you collapses and your neighbors and acquintances known you have supplies, guess who they will turn to for help. If you deny them help when they come asking, and they have no place else to turn, you can be relatively certain they will do everything in their power to get at your larder – and that means collaborating with those who would do you harm.

The other key reason we don’t talk about our preps, especially the sharing of critical details like what we store and where we store it, is that you are a potential domestic terror suspect with respect to newly disseminated bulletins from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security.

Case in point: Alfred C. Dutton was recently convicted of possession of unregistered destructive devices after sharing his preparedness lifestyle with his ex-wife’s boyfriend.

Off Grid Survival Reports:

A number of times in the past, I have warned about how dangerous I think T.V. shows like Doomsday Preppers are to the prepping community. In my opinion, these prepping shows do nothing to help people prepare and are designed to do only one thing – To make Preppers look like complete Wackjobs!

I hate to say I was right, but it seems the popular reality T.V. show about prepping is now being used to help obtain search warrants and convict preppers of crimes.

The case in question, involves a man from Kansas who was prepping for an economic collapse scenario. It seems law enforcement officials in Kansas used the T.V. show and images of preppers to not only obtain a warrant for a residents arrest, but also to convict the man of crimes in court.

Aflred Dutton, a military veteran and self described prepper from Kansas, was convicted last month of making and storing explosive devices. While what he did may have been a crime, this story should serve as a warning to other preppers. USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO PREPPING……The fact that you prep can and will be used against you in the court of law.

The Basis for the Search Warrants states:

Mr. Dutton, a military veteran, has been preparing for the economic collapse of the world. In addition to gathering a large supply of non-perishable items, he also has a modest collection of firearms and ammunition. And he makes fireworks.

During the trial, the prosecution played clips from the popular National Geographic Channel show, “Doomsday Preppers”. The prosecution used images of various “crazy ass preppers” from the T.V. show to successfully paint a picture of Mr. Dutton, as someone on the fringe of society that posed an extreme danger to his community.

Mr. Dutton’s undoing came at the hands of someone he trusted but shouldn’t have:

The only source of information for the storage unit search warrant came from Joe Scott, Mr. Dutton’s ex-wife’s boyfriend. Mr. Scott often came to Mr. Dutton’s apartment to pick up Mr. Dutton’s daughter for her visitation. During these visits, Mr. Dutton and Mr. Scott discussed firearms, fireworks, and other explosives.

On August 23, 2011, Mr. Scott went to the Greenwood County Sheriff’s Office to tell them about the conversations he had had with Mr. Dutton. Based on Mr. Scott’s information, local law enforcement officer, Captain Lumley, prepared an affidavit supporting the search warrant.

Joe Scott came to the Greenwood county Sheriff’s Office to report that Alfred Dutton Jr. possibly had explosives. Scott said that on or about August 9th of 2011 he had gone to Dutton’s apartment to pick up a minor child per court visitation. While standing and talking with Dutton he produced a small cylindrical device about the size, Scott thought, of a triple A battery. Dutton asked if he knew what it was and when Joe said he didn’t Dutton told him it was a fuse for a hand grenade.

During their talk Dutton had said he ordered fuses from the internet and when they arrived and found they were what he wanted he was then going to order Grenade hulls and claymore mine hulls because the fuse worked in either one. When Scott went to pick up the child on August 16th Dutton told him that he could not find the black powder he needed that [sic] to complete the devices and had to order it from Cabela’s website on the internet.

Scott said when Dutton told him that he ordered the black powder he became concerned for safety reasons of the minor child and public safety of the residents around him in the apartment complex. Scott gave me a package of 20foot safety fuse and told me that Dutton had given it to him just after July 4th of 2010 to “blow stuff up” if he ever needed to, Scott has become concerned because Dutton told him when the government starts to round up citizens he will be one of the first because of his military background.

Source: Dept. of Justice

Mr. Dutton was subsequently charged with with knowingly possessing destructive devices, more fully described as five incendiary bombs (Count I) and nine grenades (Count II). He was convicted under Federal Law and sentenced to serve 21 months in prison.

As Off Grid Survival points out in their report, Mr. Dutton was breaking the law and there is a likelihood that he was endangering those living in his direct vicinity.

We’re not defending Mr. Dutton’s actions, though we suspect there is many a prepper out there that possess similar incendiary devices (or parts) intended for use to protect one’s property from looters and roaming gangs in the aftermath of a collapse. Likewise, there are preppers out there stockpiling other supplies that may not be fully compliant with the law or have been obtained by circumventing existing state and federal statutes.

As such, what this report highlights is that if you talk about your preps with anyone but those who will join you at your survival retreat, you are asking for trouble.

Let’s say it together…. The first rule of Prep Club is…


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doomsdaypreppers; preppers; shtf; survival

1 posted on 05/31/2012 10:46:09 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

“Mr. Dutton, a military veteran, has been preparing for the economic collapse of the world. In addition to gathering a large supply of non-perishable items, he also has a modest collection of firearms and ammunition.”

And this is a violation of what law??

Hell, the government stockpiles all kinds of crap—when are they going to be arrested??


2 posted on 05/31/2012 10:52:36 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: JohnKinAK

claymore mines aren’t on my prep list


3 posted on 05/31/2012 10:54:10 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: JohnKinAK

Just think if his name was Habib something!!...


4 posted on 05/31/2012 10:54:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Kartographer

Ping


5 posted on 05/31/2012 10:56:45 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: JohnKinAK
I teach my grandkids: "How many people does it take to keep a secret?"

Answer: "One. Any more than that, it isn't a secret any more."

6 posted on 05/31/2012 10:57:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: WKUHilltopper
And this is a violation of what law??

I suspect it was the hobby of "making fireworks" that did him in.

7 posted on 05/31/2012 10:57:25 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: paul51

You’re on the wrong forum then...


8 posted on 05/31/2012 10:57:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: paul51
claymore mines aren’t on my prep list

They'd be on mine if I thought I could get them.
9 posted on 05/31/2012 11:00:44 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Or, as the Russians used to say, “Three men can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.”


10 posted on 05/31/2012 11:00:44 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Doesn’t a secret have to involve more than one person? Otherwise, seems it would just be a thought that you didn’t tell anyone.


11 posted on 05/31/2012 11:00:59 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Kartographer

Over here...


12 posted on 05/31/2012 11:01:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Mr. Dutton was subsequently charged with with knowingly possessing destructive devices, more fully described as five incendiary bombs (Count I) and nine grenades (Count II). He was convicted under Federal Law and sentenced to serve 21 months in prison.

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This is a level beyond “prepping”.

I have ammo. I am not stocking grenades.


13 posted on 05/31/2012 11:04:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I think it odd the article also had to mention the other items...implying or maybe suggesting this too is a violation of some law.


14 posted on 05/31/2012 11:06:08 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: WKUHilltopper
It was the grenades and the fuses that did him in. You can't store bomb making stuff, especially ion an apartment. This man needs to be locked up.
15 posted on 05/31/2012 11:06:27 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: stuartcr
Doesn’t a secret have to involve more than one person? Otherwise, seems it would just be a thought that you didn’t tell anyone.

Secrets involve more than just thoughts. No one else need be involved. How many people know today's launch codes for ICBMs?

Secrets also might involve actions, hard information, or observations.

It is not revealing that knowledge or action which makes it secret--and keeps it that way.

16 posted on 05/31/2012 11:08:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: thackney
I have ammo. I am not stocking grenades.

I am, I'm just letting the national guard store them for me until needed. They also have my M1A1 and A-10 /s (this added for the ATF bastards who monitor FR)

17 posted on 05/31/2012 11:08:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Drew68
"I suspect it was the hobby of "making fireworks" that did him in."

Nah. Wrong. It was the scumbag Joe Scott who finked on him that did him in. And before that could happen, he made the mistake of trusting "Finky" Joe. That combination "did him in."

I 'd hazard that "Finky" Joe Scott should be thinking about relocating before this dude gets out of stir. He'll probably spend the next 21 months very carefully planning how to express his displeasure to Mr. Finky without it ever being traced back to him.

Human nature being what it is, and all.

N'yuk, n'yuk, n'yuk.

18 posted on 05/31/2012 11:11:30 AM PDT by Gargantua ("All men ARE 'created' equal--but 21 years later... well, 'nuff said...")
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To: thackney
This is a level beyond “prepping”. I have ammo. I am not stocking grenades.

I'm not, either--nothing illegal, in fact, and I aim to keep it that way. The idea is that it won't help to prep if you end up in prison.

19 posted on 05/31/2012 11:12:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

More than one person knows the launch codes.

So everything anyone does or thinks that no one else knows about, is a secret?


20 posted on 05/31/2012 11:13:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: JohnKinAK

“The only source of information for the storage unit search warrant came from Joe Scott, Mr. Dutton’s ex-wife’s boyfriend. Mr. Scott often came to Mr. Dutton’s apartment to pick up Mr. Dutton’s daughter for her visitation. During these visits, Mr. Dutton and Mr. Scott discussed firearms, fireworks, and other explosives.”

In the military, he’d have been guilty of Stupid on Station. Who the hell shares that kind of info with the current squeeze of your ex-wife who’s picking up YOUR daughter (whole ‘nother tirade ready THERE) for visitation?

Facepalm, please?


21 posted on 05/31/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: Gargantua
I 'd hazard that "Finky" Joe Scott should be thinking about relocating before this dude gets out of stir. He'll probably spend the next 21 months very carefully planning how to express his displeasure to Mr. Finky without it ever being traced back to him.

Someone should spend the next 21 months training monkeys to start his car...

22 posted on 05/31/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I have considered a storing away sawed-off shotgun. But then I realized there was nothing illegal about keeping an intact shotgun and a hacksaw.

There may be a time of announced inspection prior to my recognizing the brown stuff on the fan.

23 posted on 05/31/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: driftdiver
What a coincidence! They're storing my "Warthog" Thunderbolt II (low and slow over the deck with a couple 30mm's—one Hughes M230 Chain Gun and one General Electric GAU-8/A "Avenger"—you can do some real creative landscaping, real fast!) until I need to clear my new house lot.

Or something.

8^)

24 posted on 05/31/2012 11:19:34 AM PDT by Gargantua ("All men ARE 'created' equal--but 21 years later... well, 'nuff said...")
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To: stuartcr
You can quibble with someone else on semantics. I'm not playing.

My point is if you tell one person, they tell someone else who tells someone else, and away it goes. What's more, it gets distorted on the way.

That's the sort of crap that leads to rude 4 AM wake-ups and dead pets.

If you don't want it blabbed all over, keep it to yourself.

25 posted on 05/31/2012 11:19:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: martinidon

No. You’re right. I’m probably just overly sensitive. The individual is being attacked on every front...I’m just getting tired of it.

Of course, we’ve got a gun running Dept of Justice—there’s no reason why I shouldn’t expect consistent justice.


26 posted on 05/31/2012 11:20:14 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: jagusafr

tough to squeeze him for child support when he’s in prison. guess he’ll pay it when he gets out. what a moron.


27 posted on 05/31/2012 11:20:21 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Or a dozen monkeys on leashes to set off any claymore mines.


28 posted on 05/31/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: JohnKinAK
The first rule of Prep Club is…

Security thru obscurity is necessary, but not sufficient. Don't do stupid illegal things, if only because people tend to find out.

29 posted on 05/31/2012 11:45:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: thackney

Depending on your jurisdiction, there is nothing illegal about buying an NFA-registered $5-tax 12ga AOW either. Heck, I had one on my NY CCW permit. Few things say “government certified good guy” like a Form 4.


30 posted on 05/31/2012 11:51:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Read the rest of the article.


31 posted on 05/31/2012 11:53:27 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: paul51

—claymore mines aren’t on my prep list—

Same here. I have an SKS and a couple hundred rounds and a shotgun and about 100 rounds. In fact, the firearms department is where I’m sorely lacking in the preparedness area. With all the wild turkey and Deer around here I should have a lot more ammo and probably a good hunting rifle.

But I’m skeered of the G-man. /s

Actually, guns bore me so it was like pulling teeth to get what I have. I shot a jackrabbit about 30 years ago and a robin back in 1966, but that’s about it. I need to get to practicin’.

Are claymore mines affective against wild boars and Raccoons?

Oh, and sometimes preppers really ARE kinda nuts. Talking about all this stuff to the ex’s boyfriend is beyond stupid. It implies a questionable mindset about the whole thing.


32 posted on 05/31/2012 11:59:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Reminds me of a joke I heard over twenty years ago:

Contents of a post collapse survival kit: A pistol, ammo, and a sheet of paper with the addresses of all the local mormons.


33 posted on 05/31/2012 12:01:45 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Raccoons? Claymore mines?

LOL!

You can kill em and cook em in one fell swoop!


34 posted on 05/31/2012 12:09:42 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ctdonath2

Buying one, if you want your name in a federal weapons registry, is a $5 tax. Making one is a whole lot more expensive penalty (without the license).

But I don’t find the people selling the lawful versions very affordable.

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php


35 posted on 05/31/2012 12:11:29 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I have a variety of odds and ends which might be creatively adapted in a pinch, but for now, they're just the sort of stuff it's good to have when you live in a 100 year old house.

Anything which goes wrong seems to do so at 3AM on a holiday weekend... so spare parts and materials are a must, as are tools.

36 posted on 05/31/2012 12:12:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Calm down. I’m just messin’ with ya.


37 posted on 05/31/2012 1:14:27 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: JohnKinAK

New boyfriend is now at the very top of his hit list... when he gets out.


38 posted on 05/31/2012 1:24:18 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: stuartcr

No sweat. I typed that very calmly. (8^D)


39 posted on 05/31/2012 2:29:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: stuartcr
gee, I thought the portable missile launchers and flame throwers were adequate
40 posted on 05/31/2012 2:51:05 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: JohnKinAK

They must have not had much of a case,
21 months is what you get for nothing at all.


41 posted on 05/31/2012 3:03:32 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Bookmark


42 posted on 05/31/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: JohnKinAK
Not the sharpest tack in the nail box, this idiot "prepper.' I can also say (and have said) the same about all other "attention whores" who chose to be on national TV and reveal all about their "preps."

No amount of "preparations" will save them if they have no brains or common sense.

43 posted on 05/31/2012 5:24:28 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: publius911

the warning to preppers is to remain silent? How about no illegal firearms. Lets be real here, one can prepare for a doomsday scenario with an ample supply of food, basic necessities AND legal firearms to protect you and your family.


44 posted on 06/01/2012 8:25:06 AM PDT by bulldog806
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To: thackney

That thing would break your wrists with buckshot!


45 posted on 06/15/2012 6:21:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: JohnKinAK
Wait.

You mean I have to send it back?


46 posted on 06/15/2012 6:29:03 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: cuban leaf

“guns bore me”

Best pun of the thread.


47 posted on 06/15/2012 6:30:50 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

—“guns bore me”

Best pun of the thread.—

Actually, they do. I love shooting games on the internet and especially WWII flight simulators. I love shooting living things. But I’ve never enjoyed any time at a firing range, except the one time I used a glock pistol of my friends to put 33 9mm rounds into an area the size of an egg, with the 34th missing by about five inches (two separate magazines). Now, THAT was fun. I still have the target paper I used that day.

The only reason I go to the range is to get familiar with the sights on my SKS at various ranges. And now that I have my own large property in KY I can do it on my own place. But I haven’t fired the gun since I got here in August. Lots of opportunities for wild Turkeys too. But I was just too danged busy. Time’s a bit more free now...


48 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:59 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RFEngineer

—Best pun of the thread.—

Oh, and thank you. ;-)


49 posted on 06/15/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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