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Judge revokes George Zimmerman's bond, orders him to surrender
latimes ^ | June 1, 2012 | Michael Muskal

Posted on 06/01/2012 8:49:14 PM PDT by Rabin

A Florida judge revoked the bail bond of George Zimmerman on Friday and ordered the man charged in the death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin to surrender within 48 hours.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bail; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; saintskittles; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: saywhatagain
If in fact Zimmerman did not declare nor hand in the second passport (Peruvian, most likely), then the courts can not look kindly onto that fact alone

No. It's a genuine US Passport, in fact Zimmerman's real US Passport.

Back story: His original passport was issued in 2002. In 2004 he reported it strayed, and was issued a replacement.

Sometime later, the original came out of hiding, a fact George was aware of.

Jailhouse call between George and wife 17 April
Z: Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag.
Z's Wife: I have one for you in saftey deposit box...
Z: OK, you hold onto that
The bag (which he packed prior to turning himself in) passport was the 2002 original, as is clear from O'Mara's statement to the court on April 20
O'Mara: This is my client's current passport, the only passport that he has. It does expire May of 2012, but I did want to acknowledge it and surrender it to the court at this time.
This would look a slamdunk against George, except his lawyer has thrown himself on the grenade and declared that he know about said passport, prepared a letter informing the court, and prepared to hand it over, then forgot.

Whatever the judge thinks of that story, he can't really pursue it without sanctioning the lawyer and depriving George of his counsel, a complication this case does not need at this time.

51 posted on 06/02/2012 2:58:57 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Gott mit Mitt, Mitt mit uns)
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To: Rabin

What a waste of Florida time, money, and resourses! The man is out on bail. Why do this just to satisfy the screamers? We know and they know that in the end, no jury will ever convict this guy. So they are just messing with him in doing this.


52 posted on 06/02/2012 3:59:24 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m wondering if the judge did this because of the new info or if the bondsman dropped the bond after hearing the new info. I can see the bondsman getting a little antsy knowing he had a large amount of cash and another passport.


53 posted on 06/02/2012 4:26:54 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Rabin; All
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Tulsa, Oklahoma just a month or so ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition. He DIED a few weeks ago.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL OUTRAGE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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Have they caught the rest of the gang of feral blacks who raped, tortured and murdered this elderly woman and her husband? Are they even looking? Not a word about it in the media.

54 posted on 06/02/2012 4:54:20 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: bigbob

Given the lynching of Zimmerman; Corey’s distortions in the charging document and the media’s hype and downright lies “reporting” the incident, as well as the race-baiting hucksters wanting Zimmerman dead THEN tried, I will withhold my opinion as I don’t believe them.


55 posted on 06/02/2012 5:45:06 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

> We know and they know that in the end, no jury will ever convict this guy.

I hope you’re right but am not that confident. I doubt that reasonable and fair persons will make it onto the jury, and with the pressure being put upon jury members to come up with a guilty verdict — and actual risk of retaliation if they don’t — I think a guilty verdict is possible. This is like the Simpson murder trial, but with the pressure being for conviction.

Zimmerman’s best hope is that some of that pressure will go away before the trial. I’ve seen some progress, but not much. Information about his injuries may have helped some. I doubt if that’s enough, though, to get through to the racists and idiots.


56 posted on 06/02/2012 6:07:36 AM PDT by GJones2 (Zimmerman's chances)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I don’t know about anyone else but I’ll send him some more.

I will send him more for living expenses, and feel good about it. Living in hiding is very expensive.

Sending him legal expenses is a fool's errand. The state will pay some of his legal expenses, and anything left over should be paid out of the contingency fees on the civil suits he will win. Just the damages against NBC for the false and misleading edit of the police tape will cover a lot.

57 posted on 06/02/2012 6:41:04 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: TheWriterTX

I agree. I don’t believe he’s guilty of murder. He needs to just be honest and truth will prevail.


58 posted on 06/02/2012 6:43:02 AM PDT by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Wouldn't the replacement passport have the same expiration date? Some countries won't let you enter unless there is a certain length of time before the expiration date (like six months).

Leftists believe that the judicial system should be subject to politics. That's true in totalitarian regimes like Nazi Germany and the Communist countries. This is supposed to be a show trial, like those held in the USSR in the 1930s or in the satellite countries after 1945. The target is not Zimmerman although he has been chosen to be the sacrificial lamb--the target is the American people and particularly those who believe in the rule of law.

59 posted on 06/02/2012 6:53:45 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Uncle Slayton
Capt. Zimmerman did not lie to the court.


The judge said Mr. Zimmerman had the responsibility to stop his wife, who testified at the hearing,from making false statements.

"Mr. Zimmerman can't sit back like a potted palm and let his wife testify falsely before the court when he knew well in advance of the hearing the amounts of money in controversy," said Judge Lester. "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods."

Under Florida's Rules of Criminal Procedure, a judge has discretion to revoke a defendant's bail if he finds there's good cause to do so. Lying to a court about one's finances apparently fits the bill.

Watch here.

60 posted on 06/02/2012 6:56:45 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Verginius Rufus

No, the replacement (or reissued) passport expires 10 years from its issue, in 2014


61 posted on 06/02/2012 7:11:55 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Gott mit Mitt, Mitt mit uns)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I don't believe he lied, the money came in so fast, almost overnight, he lost track of it.


He and his wife had four recorded conversations (4/12 at 4:43pm, 4/15 at 10:34am, 4/16 at 1:34pm, and 4/16 at 2:31pm) about the money. During two of the conversations Mrs. Zimmerman was at their Credit Union and George spoke directly with bank officials.

They were transferring money from the Paypal account into multiple Credit Union accounts. Credit Union statements dated 4/19, the day before the bond hearing, show they had access to over $135,000.00 in cash.

Motion To Revoke Bond

62 posted on 06/02/2012 7:17:40 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

At some point I’m expecting the names and contact info from paypal to be posted by the MSM of all the donors.

And them poster by the New Black Panthers...


63 posted on 06/02/2012 8:08:13 AM PDT by TigerClaws (He)
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To: TigerClaws

As long as they spell my name right I don’t care.


64 posted on 06/02/2012 8:15:19 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Rabin

Apparently they lied about his lack of assets when he bonded out for only $15k. He didn’t disclose website donations (although the timing of what had been received is a question).


65 posted on 06/02/2012 8:47:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

In Texas, in criminal matters, bail and bond are pretty much the same thing: you post 10% of the amount of bail in cash and the bail bondsman puts up the rest. If you don’t show up for trial, the bondsman’s money is forfeited and he sends Dog the Bounty Hunter after you. Bond (again, in Texas) is more for appeals and civil matters like guardianships, etc..


66 posted on 06/02/2012 8:57:11 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I don't believe he lied, the money came in so fast, almost overnight, he lost track of it.

Yesterday I heard Hannity report that there's video from a surveillance camera in the jail where Zimmerman was before being released on bond. Hannity said that the video reportedly showed Zimmerman and his wife talking about how to hide the donation money. I don't know if that's true or not, or who released that information.

67 posted on 06/02/2012 8:57:43 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Thank you for sharing. There is nothing good in this account of the story.

Courts will not be kind in this matter.

Am sure George feared for his life, but you can't play that game under these circumstances. And the attorney's scheme . . . I ain't buying, doubt if the judge will either. very sad turn of events

68 posted on 06/02/2012 9:04:47 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: JRandomFreeper
Dear J:

Yes, sorry. A little sleep deprived after 3 days with a very sick son.

I was pulling for him from the beginning. I believe his version of events. But when your credibility is key, honesty is essential. If he and his wife knew they had the funds available to post bond, but chose to not reveal that to the court, it hurts his credibility at a time when he needs it the most.

69 posted on 06/02/2012 9:06:09 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I'm afraid you're right, Verginius. The media spun the initial story to fit their narrative from the beginning, and continue to do so even in the face of contradictory evidence supporting Zimmerman's version of events.

If he is murdered, they are complicit.

70 posted on 06/02/2012 9:12:46 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I hope you're right, which is why I said "If."

I also concur with everything you've said about this being a Lynch mob. As I indicated to another FReeper, the media spun their narrative out there and continued to skew it, no matter what evidence came out to support GZ's version of events.

Then, the way they lionized Trayvon, holding him up as a symbol of the "inherent racism" lie, was disgusting to behold.

My sister was in a similar situation years ago. Horrific car accident, totally false media reports about how the accident happened, 3 different court cases. It haunts her to this day, over 25 years later. So I have some idea of what GZ is going through, although my sister didn't have the media salivating at the thought of her death.

Thanks for not engaging in the knee-jerk I've seen from some others. It's a horrible situation he's in; while others can break all the rules, Zimmerman has to stay within them. His credibility is crucial if he stands any chance of getting real justice, so missteps before the court, however unintentional, can have far ranging effects.

71 posted on 06/02/2012 9:21:38 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Happy Rain
When George turns himself in on Sunday all the judge's freaking out over ACCUSATIONS of impropriety during the bond hearing will be rendered moot since “flight risk” was the root issue of the hearings in the first place!!!

Exactly. And the prosecution had already been notified and knew that George was not in possession of either the second passport or the PayPal money. Both were in the hands of his attorney and the prosecution knew it. This was just more misrepresentations by the prosecutor to deny GZ a fair trial by taking away the resources he needs to secure one. Clearly the depositions are not going well for the prosecution as they fear the stand your ground hearing coming up soon.

72 posted on 06/02/2012 9:22:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: UCANSEE2
If you do not appear, the BONDSMAN then must pay the full amount of the BOND (make good on the note).

That's when they let loose the hounds and sic Dog the Bounty Hunter on you. In this case his parents and grandmother posted the bond, so he's not going anywhere -- and the prosecution knew it and knows it.

73 posted on 06/02/2012 9:32:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: stockpirate

A lynch mob is the purest form of democracy.


74 posted on 06/02/2012 9:48:12 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Beach_Babe
The money, according to the Motion that state filed on 4/27 was in a trust account controlled by O'Mara. So the state knew back on April 27, as demonstrated in the Motion, that GZ was not in control of the funds. His attorney was.

A request for revocation of bond is supposed to be because someone is a flight risk. The prosecutor knew as far back as its 4/27 Motion that he was not a flight risk.

This was a phony dog and pony show yesterday ---

75 posted on 06/02/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
"A request for revocation of bond is supposed to be because someone is a flight risk. The prosecutor knew as far back as its 4/27 Motion that he was not a flight risk."

Exactly. This is just Corey trying to pollute the jury pool.

76 posted on 06/02/2012 11:15:58 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: JRandomFreeper
And what happens if you can bond yourself?

You then get on your private jet airplane and leave the country.

77 posted on 06/02/2012 12:35:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Zimmerman sent his replacement passport to O’Mara via FedEx on April 26, and O’Mara has had it since.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/01/acd.01.html


78 posted on 06/02/2012 12:38:08 PM PDT by ironman
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
AFAIK, “bail” is the amount that has to be posted with the court. “Bond”, or “bail bond” is the non-refundable fee you pay to a bail bondsman, in return for the bondsman posting your bail.

SO... it would be safe to say that the terminology is so intermixed in 'conversation' that either one is 'acceptable'.

BAIL: Traditionally, bail is some form of property deposited or pledged to a court to persuade it to release a suspect from jail, on the understanding that the suspect will return for trial or forfeit the bail (and possibly be brought up on charges of the crime of failure to appear). In some cases bail money may be returned at the end of the trial, if all court appearances are made, regardless of whether the person is found guilty or not guilty of the crime accused. If a bondsman is used and a surety bond has been obtained, the fee for that bond is the fee for the insurance policy purchased and is not refundable. (source: wikipedia)

BAIL BONDSMAN: A bail bond agent, or bondsman, is any person or corporation that will act as a surety and pledge money or property as bail for the appearance of persons accused in court. Although banks, insurance companies and other similar institutions are usually the sureties on other types of contracts (for example, to bond a contractor who is under a contractual obligation to pay for the completion of a construction project) such entities are reluctant to put their depositors' or policyholders' funds at the kind of risk involved in posting a bail bond. Bail bond agents, on the other hand, are usually in the business to cater to criminal defendants, often securing their customers' release in just a few hours. (source: wikipedia)

79 posted on 06/02/2012 12:43:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

So then if Zimmerman’s parents and grandmother posted their houses to cover the $150,000 Bond to the court, then who did Zimmerman pay his $15,000 Bail to???? His parents and grandmother???


80 posted on 06/02/2012 1:06:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The money, according to the Motion that state filed on 4/27 was in a trust account controlled by O'Mara.


Zimmerman had his bond revoked not because the media or the courts or the prosecutors were "out to get him" but because on April 20th he and his wife made material misrepresentations to the court of their financial status.

This action IN ITSELF is a crime, and Zimmerman and/or his wife may suffer a penalty beyond having the bail revoked for having done so. To quote Florida statute: "Any person who intentionally provides false or misleading material information or intentionally omits material information in connection with an application for bail or for modification of bail is guilty of a misdemeanor or felony which is one degree less than that of the crime charged for which bail is sought, but which in no event is greater than a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083."

George's case largely depends on the judge's (and later possibly a jury's) assessment of George's credibility when he relays events no other person witnessed. The LAST thing George or his wife should be doing is giving his judge and potential jurors reason to doubt his truthfulness. George is his own worst enemy.

81 posted on 06/02/2012 1:48:18 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Uncle Chip
So then if Zimmerman’s parents and grandmother posted their houses to cover the $150,000 Bond to the court, then who did Zimmerman pay his $15,000 Bail to????

The relatives posted their houses as a guarantee against the bond. (I.E. the bondsman has a 'lien' against the property). The BONDSMAN still gets the 10% for putting up the bond. Should the defendant skip bond, then the bondsman has COLLATERAL to recoop his bond money, by putting the houses up for sale and collecting any proceeds from those sales.

Am I explaining this clearly?

When you have to have someone 'bail' you out, the bondsman want family who OWN a home to COSIGN. Just giving them the 10% will usually not be enough. They aren't in the business of losing the FULL AMOUNT of the bond every time come criminal decides to flee. They ask for GUARANTEES.

Have you ever had to go to a bondsman to bail someone out?

82 posted on 06/02/2012 2:07:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
So then in order for a defendant to get out on Bond/Bail, he has to post collateral equal to the Bond, as well as an additional 10% of the Bond as Bail which he never sees back.

What a racket. Where is the risk for the bail bondsman. He can't lose in that deal. Why would he need Dog the Bounty Hunter when it has cost him nothing??

It seems to me that there are a lot of people around here that are out on bail that have nothing to collateralize a bond. I wonder how they do it? Thanks for the info.

83 posted on 06/02/2012 3:30:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Beach_Babe

George has definitely entered the realm where only the lawyers can lie and get away with it. His every word and move is under scrutiny now and he better be aware of it.


84 posted on 06/02/2012 3:58:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: zot

“He probably will be killed in jail.”

Nope. He’ll be the most well-protected guy in the whole place.


85 posted on 06/02/2012 6:52:31 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

I hope you’re right.


86 posted on 06/02/2012 7:44:25 PM PDT by zot
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To: Uncle Chip
Why would he need Dog the Bounty Hunter when it has cost him nothing??

First, Thank you for the response, and you are very welcome.

Second, The main reason that bondsman want some type of collateral is that it makes it very 'important' to the 'cosigners' to ENSURE that the defendant SHOWS UP.

The time and trouble it takes to actually get any money (houses don't sell instantly) far outweighs the small amount it takes to have a bounty hunter return the defendant.

87 posted on 06/03/2012 4:55:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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