Skip to comments.Motorists detained as police search for robbery suspect(All Adults Handcuffed In Every Car)
Posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by AmonAmarth
AURORA, Colo. Police have a person of interest in custody in connection with the robbery of the Wells Fargo back at 15301 E. Hampden Avenue Saturday afternoon.
Immediately following the robbery, police closed the intersection of Iliff and Buckley after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.
According to our crew on the scene, police stopped and searched nearly two dozen cars. The adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed during the investigation.
Not to mention the cops in New Orleans going door to door and confiscating the weapons of residents after Katrina. But they were only following proper procedure, right?
The first, fourth and fifth amendments were contravened here, and I am gobsmacked that a fellow citizen entrusted with upholding the law (the highest of which is the Constitution), is defending these blatant jackboot tactics.
SHAME ON YOU!
We civilians think current LEOs are generally out of touch with people in at least two ways.
We think they don’t appreciate or zealously guard our constitutional rights.
We also think LEOs tend to circle the wagons and give their blue brothers a pass when they violate our rights.
Your post sounds like you are coming from the perspective of one of the above criticisms. Either you see no violation of rights here, or you just feel the need to back up your blue brothers.
Either way, we middle class civilians who have rabidly supported the police for several decades and always saw them on are side, are becoming wary of the modern LEO community to actually serve and protect us.
Now why is that? Why are we growing increasingly concerned that the police see all civilians as the enemy rather than just the people we consider the bad guys, like hardened criminals. Not that we believe LEOs are out to get us. Just that we believe that in their zeal to get the bad guys, the LEOs no longer respect the rights of civilians. It is pretty mild now, but I see that lack of respect for constitutional rights getting worse over time, in the LEO communities zeal to get the bad guys.
Combine this with the outrageous activity of TSA, which I acknowledge is not LEO, but we civilians feel more and more like we are living in a police state.
For my part, I am more than willing to risk the impact of bad guys on my life resulting from LEOs completely respecting my constitutional rights, for me to enjoy the full liberty of my inviolable constitutional rights. In a free Republic, there we enjoy a bit less security as a trade-off for our liberty. I won’t surrender my liberty, or portions thereof, like being subjected to unreasonable search at DUI checkpoints for example, just to insure my security.
I’m sorry you can’t see that pulling over cars and handcuffing the occupants without the due process of reasonable suspicion, is not a violation of people’s rights to be secure in their person against unreasonable searches. The police had a good reason to want to do mass random searches, but they had no constitutional power to do so. That’s the breaks. They can’t just violate people’s rights because the ends justify the means. They can’t.
But they do. And that is why more of us middle class civilians who have a lifetime of blind support for the police are becoming increasingly concerned about the current LEO community and the trend toward an increasing police state.
So, according to you, we should all stick out our wrists for hadcuffing, open our anus and vaginas wide open, with a smile on our faces.No questions asked. Screw you.
“Us vs. Them”
They need an excuse to justify all their “ need” for military equipment
“Us vs. Them”
They need an excuse to justify all their “ need” for military equipment
Incarcerating people for abuse of themselves is another story. If the meth heads want to ingest poison why stop them? Pile it as high as an elephants eye and watch em drop like flies! Problem solved and no dogs killed.
I believe in the old days, the police would have stopped cars and talked to drivers, asking if they have seen anything and analyzing the behavior of the people in the car, see how nervous they got.
It is not like the police can’t cordon off an area after a crime and discuss the crime with people. That is not a violation of constitutional rights, as far as I know, and the police have done this for decades.
My problem with this incident described is that the police searched cars and handcuffed innocent people during the searches. That is clearly unconstitutional and I’m sorry you see nothing wrong about it or you do but your support for your blue brothers over-rides that. I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
OK, thanks for clearing up for me that this is less an issue of constitutional legality than it is just defending the thin blue line, right or wrong. I figured it had to be one of the two, so now I understand. Right or wrong, it is necessary for the LEO to defend his brothers and sisters. It sounds like you do know they were violating people's constitutional rights, but feel compelled to defend their tactics anyway. That is how your statement comes across.
Gee, I don’t know. How about respecting the Constituttion for a start, flatfoot.
Or are you one of those “I vaz only following ze orders” kind of camp guards, oops I mean cops?
I wonder how they dealt with people who may have had their dogs with them. Are people allowed to secure their animals before hand or what?
I respect the police and over all don’t fear them, unless it comes to my dogs. Then I fear the police.
When we take our dogs to the park or vet, we usually stop for a FORTY FOUR oz :p cherry limeade and my youngest Boxer will do a low growl.
If we were pulled over and handcuffed—would my dog then be shot because she growled?
What happened to these people doesn’t sit right. I want people safe and I don’t hate the police but there is a line and the police seem to be stepping over it of late.
The place is stuffed to the ceiling with filthy, no good scoundrels. They would need a truck just to haul the handcuffs.
The problem with such a rationale is that it can be used to contravene the Constitution and cover almost anything depending on the viewpoint. Obama could say, for instance, that the Tea Party, is endangering his efforts to improve the US and save the economy. Therefore, teapartiers must be locked up for the duration of the Obama declared emergency.
Man, we have come a long way down the police state. A long long way. You sounded reasonable but just disconnected for most of your posts. Now I learn you are deep into the "if you aren't blue you are the enemy" mentality. Since you are here, you are probably one of the better LEOs out there who believe in freedom. If you are deep into seeing us as the enemy, I can only imagine the contempt most other LEO see us with.
Very disappointing but not unexpected, as I've been saying for 2 or 3 years that we are well on our way toward becoming a police state. They are going to need storm troops who take orders without question and I can see they are well on their way when the more freedom-loving of LEOs has your attitude that all civilians are the enemy and "patriots" are untrustworthy anarchists. Anarchists? Really? Do anarchists believe in a constitution and law? Gee, that's news to me.
We really are in a police state with the LEOs seeing all of us as the enemy, not just the bad guys. Man, I so hate modern life. I really do.
“Lets cut the cops some slack when they are after bad guys using legal means.”
I wondered if I read that line wrong the first couple of times. So its your contention that impromptu mass detentions in which no probable cause can possibly exist to detain *everyone* constitute “legal means” under state law and doesn’t violate the 4th Amendment?
44 ounce cherry limeade? How dare you? dont you know thats bad for you and America? You criminal! /s
>>Your post sounds like you are coming from the perspective of one of the above criticisms.
I think you are incorrect, and that this is a both/and situation, not either/or.
And if this guy is a cop, he is very much part of the problem.
Us slaves gotta be taught our place, right.
But the question remains, who moved? Evidence shows that it was the police’s view of the lawabiding citizen.
I know but it is soooo good being bad and my dogs get the cherries. I LOVE Sonic cherry limeades!
Of all the cops I’ve known and come in contact with ( some in my own family), NONE have been very bright. At least not bright enought to a actually understand the bill of rights. There’s a lot of multi-syllable words in there and no pictures.
I know, I have a Sonic a block away from me and during happy hour I can get a a 44 ouncer for $1.10 What A deal! And how refreshing on a hot day!
Watch the video at the link, children being rounded up, separated from their parents by gunpoint. Sad. And just wrong.
Apparently, you do.
Rounding up innocent bystanders and handcuffing them all is not just "doing their job." THat is the very description of a POLICE STATE. (But then, some folks just love to slobber all over black leather boots.)
Police may investigate. They cannot mass arrests of innocents. If the cops can't do their job without flagrant violation of the law, then they need to lose their badges at the very minimum, or face jail time for violation of civil rights.
It is not a fine distinction.
The "brave" leo's hiding behind riot shields.
What is even more unbelievable is some one "supposedly' a professional leo defending this.
the video is a must watch.
The cannot engage in the mass arrests...
Ignoring the constitutional issue; which is huge, the police removed everyone ability to defend themselves. By handcuffing everyone, they prevented people from being able to protect themselves if something went wrong. If shooting started, the persons handcuffed would just have to sit and hope no bullet found their location. And when the shooting starts the police tend to miss more than they hit. There are very reliable ways to handle these types of situations, but handcuffing everyone in the area is one of the poorest ways.
Is this what is meant by protect and serve?
The police have gone way over the line in this case and need to be sued and disciplined until they get the message that the Constitution still means something. They are also responsible for any trauma caused to the children and ongoing medical care necessary. Any Freeper attorneys around to comment on legal liability?
"I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater."
(Brent13a, LEO, reply #48)
Brother, you need to step back, take some deep breaths, and do some serious self-examination. If you feel that mass-handcuffing of bystanders is now just another useful LE tool, then you have crossed a dangerous red line into supporting tyrannical police-state tactics.
Millions of us "so-called patriots" actually do believe in defending the Constitution. Millions of us took oaths to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
Your sworn oath to defend the Constitution might be a joke to you, but let me promise you, it is not a joke to millions of us who also took the oath. And our oaths did not come with an expiration date.
You need to look in the mirror, and ask yourself some very serious questions.
I’ve now watched the video and I am more irritated than I had been.
What happened is wrong.
It is sad that I am starting to fear the police and that is not my problem, it is a police problem.
Perhaps law enforcement need to stop and reassess themselves.
They are developing an image problem...even amongst those who would be most supportive of them.
It makes them less safe not more, in acting so aggressively—that is my opinion, anyhow.
I want our officers safe and the public safe but situations such as this are doing nothing to help. It hurts.
Us slaves gotta be taught our place, right.
But the question remains, who moved? Evidence shows that it was the polices view of the lawabiding citizen.
I believe that the turning point was the “War on Drugs” and sealed by the “Patriot Act”. Both had good intentions and laudable goals. Both unfortunately gave the Police and and Prosecutors in the “Justice Industry” way to much power over the citizenry.
Under the War on Drugs, the police mentality subtly changed with the ability to confiscate cash and charge inanimate objects like cars, boats and Real Property with crimes and confiscate those through the legal system to help “pay” for the War on drugs. That slippery slope turned out to be a greased ride to the mentality of “Us vs. Them”.
It’s gone so far that nearly everyone I personally know wants to make these illegal drugs legal and prescribed as necessary for the addicts. And many of these same people have in their families or know someone that has used illegal drugs and has done some pretty crappy things to pay for them. My own oldest son died because of a needle spread disease. So I personally have major reasons to hate illegal drugs.
But... and it’s a huge one, the unintended consequences to our society and the way we interact with our Police, Prosecutors and Politicians has deteriorated to a scummy level. So the benefits of the War on Drugs and The War on Terror are vastly overstated in comparison to the damages to our Freedoms and way of life prior to those two policies.
Great post and spot on.
Gearing up for the big civil takedown....
Practice makes perfect. It's also to pacify the population "nothing wrong with such procedure, ya know?"
This "establishes" the State's rights to do what they please transmits the subliminal message "in case you're thinking of something, it's futile...kneel or else!"
Bank robbery, description of the getaway vehicle, possible hostages. 24 vehicles of said description experience a felony stop ?
24 out of thousands ?
Seriously. Before you hurt someone.
Did they find the bank robbers in any of the cars? What did they discover? Nothing?
Reminds me of the TSA.
Turning the water up on the frog in the pot, bit by bit. And conditioning LEOs to think of all the citizenry as bad guys.
That is a whole ball of f*cked up right there. With that attitude of yours begin carried around on a daily basis? You may have just spoken a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Quit your LEO job and get one as an insurance agent. We need more LIVE Patriots, not self destructive JBT's.
“I’m going to keep getting my aggregated news here because it’s the best spot for it, but I feel compelled to defend my brothers and sisters even if it’s with facetious sarcasm.”
Suggestion: Point out that the bank robbery occured in a small town where the entire area could be easily isolated. Indeed, it was effectively so isolated and the criminals captured.
The real issue is the handcuffing without reasonable suspicion. Merely being present is not necessarily criminal.
Had AMerica not been subjected to a long series of abuses by armed thugs in a wide aray of uniforms, hte public would be more understanding of the Aurora PD acts.
Unfortunately, hte Comies in Media have convinced the Proles that an officer is more valuable than a citizen. And, they lionize and worship every LEo killed because they “were preventing crime from destroying AMeric”.
Do remember that the public is aware that being a LEO means said officer is not in one of the Ten Most Dangerous Jobs. Fishermen, roofers, truckers - all take more risks every day at work and die more frequently.
Yet Commie Media glorifies LEOs as if this nation were already the Police State they want do badly.
Your posts seem to show a devotion to the Constitution. May I suggest reminding your fellow officers that as America has already decided how to deal with the “Blue Helmets” if they appear, they are also reassessing their views of the Blue uniforms. Change towards a Constitution observant police force is essential if the Republic is to survive, and unless the individuals in those Blue Uniforms change their beliefs and behavior, I fear things will not end well.
We were called names for this foresight and told to buy more tinfoil.
Who's laughing now...
Excellent post BTW.
Yes indeed. Correct on both counts, I think.
Having re-read your post, I noted the following: “On here, while I’m trying to get my aggregated news I can’t get anywhere else I have be deluged by so-called fellow patriots who, as fas as I know, would rather put a bullet in my back as much as spit on me because I am a cop.”
You clearly have the cart before the horse. The public is afraid, with a multitude of example to prove their position, that a cop will kill them. Worse yrt, they cop who kills always escapes execution.
A cop is no more valuable than a citizen not wearing a cop’s uniform. When cops once again realize their life is not more valuable than other citizens lives, and their departments management no longer declare that any action is acceptable if it prevents a cop’s death - then and only then will cops no longer correctly be seen as cops instead of soi dissant Ubermenschen.
Exact same mindset and requirements for employment.
Another spot on post!
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