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George Zimmerman Returns to Sanford, FL [In Police Custody]
George Zimmerman Legal Case ^ | 6/3/12

Posted on 06/03/2012 12:13:43 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: George from New England

Judge Bemjamin Lerner, in Philadelphia, sentenced a retired disabled Marine to 25 years for using a small knife to kill one of several attacking Holder’s People.

Said disabled Marine had suffered two strokes, two heart attacks and had a pacemaker implanted. The Urban Ferals attacked him with a steel tube, knocked him to the ground, and were busy being “Urban Black Ferals” when the victim used a knife to defend himself against disproportionate force.

The Judge jailed him anyway, despite the fact that Penn. Legislature passed a “Stand Your Ground” Law!

Judge is a Democrap, of course.

One more die hard supporter of Holder’s People sending a message to anyone who would dare to defend themselves from attack by any member of the ‘protected class’ of Black Urban Ferals.

However, the marine is alive and appealing the marsupial Magistrate’s decision.

Better alive and litigating than slaughtered by a Black Urban/Hispanic Urban Feral.


51 posted on 06/03/2012 2:41:02 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Uncle Chip
So then you’re saying that you think that 5-7 Zimmerman would be stupid enough to throw the first punch against a 6-3 hoodie in the dark?


Zimmerman's 5'7" now? I thought it was established he is 5'9", but I could be wrong.

The autopsy report stated that Martin was 71" (5'11"), but maybe the M.E. was wrong.

52 posted on 06/03/2012 2:42:42 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: USNBandit
-- The part about O'mara having the other passport didn't make the initial press articles. --

O'Mara received the replacement passport (obtained in 2004) -and- a check for the full amount of funds available/raised by the website. Both of these were sent to him by Zimmerman on April 25, and received by O'Mara on April 26, a day before the hearing on press motions for publication of court filings.

I'm waiting to hear Shelly Zimmerman's explanation for not apprising the court, on April 20, of the funds associated with the legal defense website. O'Mara argued that Zimmerman had no intention to use those funds frivolously or to flee; see Zimmerman's actions.

Shelly and George Zimmerman will have their day in court, on another motion for bond.

53 posted on 06/03/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wtc911
Which known facts, the ones where zimmerman (armed with a loaded sidearm) got out of his car to follow and martin (unarmed) ran away, are those the facts you mean?

Sorry but you have your facts wrong. Getting out of your car and following another person is not a crime especially when you are with Neighborhood Watch and supposed to be on the look out for suspicious persons. Rather than doing something wrong, he was doing his duty.

But slugging a person with your fists as Trayvon did is a crime. It is called assault. Fists can be deadly weapons and Trayvon was using his as deadly weapons that night. The deadly Trayvon fist barrage came first. The gunshot followed.

54 posted on 06/03/2012 2:50:14 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SoFloFreeper

The guy shouldn’t have lied to the court. I say we are all safer with him in jail.


55 posted on 06/03/2012 2:56:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Uncle Chip
-- Zimmerman would be stupid enough to throw the first punch against a 6-3 hoodie in the dark? --

You underestimate the man's stupidity. First he calls the cops, before engaging in his hunt for prey. Then, after catching the kid and shoving him around, Zimmerman, while temporarily at a physical disadvantage, called for help , but only if you believe the eyewitness. Sybrina Fuller says that Martin was calling for help, ostensibly while Zimmerman held him at gunpoint. Anyway, Zimmerman is so stupid, that after shooting Martin, he stayed on the scene, and cooperated with police over the course of the next two or three days, giving them statements and answering their questions.

If that doesn't scream out "GUILT!", I don't know what does.

56 posted on 06/03/2012 2:56:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Oztrich Boy
I think this time the judge is going to require Zimmerman to testify, personally.

If Zim don't talk, lower the hot lights until he's burning, and beat him with rubber hoses. If he still don't talk, threaten to put him in with the senseless murdering gang inmates...Keep spreading the rumor he's a snitch and hates blacks.

If the prosecutors are lucky, there will never be trial.

57 posted on 06/03/2012 3:05:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GladesGuru

Wow. That would make a good web site - KangarooCourts.com, where cases like this would be publicized along with the Judge’s office particulars, who appointed him, etc.


58 posted on 06/03/2012 3:06:34 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Except that the judge realized that argument was bogus because his attorney O’Mara was in possession of that second passport.

The judge’s order for GZ to return was based on the monetary issue, he dismissed the passport issue after O’Mara explained the truth.


Thank You!
59 posted on 06/03/2012 3:06:50 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: wtc911

“Until then you too are just babbling.”

Why allow your Big Sh*tty personality to show? A slight bit of fact checking would have allowed you to learn that even if Zimmerman called Martin what the law considers “fighting Words”, that when Martin began attempting to kill Zimmerman, Zimmerman still had the right to defend his own life. When Martin jumped onto a prone Zimmerman and began banging Zimmerman’s head into the concrete, Martin removed any possible retreat.

By commencing a potentially lethal attack while simultaneously removing any possible retreat, Martin signed his own death warrant.

Facts are your friend, my FRiend.

As proof of my “Facts are your friend, my FRiend”, examine your “When you have genuine proof that martin started the fight and acted thuggish (instead of running away - as zimmereman said) then post it.”

Note that had Martin not returned, Martin could be enjoying the cough syrup recreational drug he emailed about instead of pushing up daisies.

I lived in the Big Sh*tty, and know the New York State mindset, both urban and rural, having been graduated from Kingston High - I was not commenting from ignorance. Assertiveness and aggressive confidence is no substitute for checking ones facts. NY State has been a place with issues regarding the individual and the Constitution ever since the Revolutionary War, when many did not support the Revolutionary War.

To this day, the state has a disproportionate number of the collectivism prone. As proof, look at who they imported as a Sinator. Yes, the mis-spelling is deliberate.

I raised this point because your home community is steeped in anti-2nd Amendment belief, and the Zimmerman case is the lead case in the Democrapic/commie crowd attempt to intimidate citizens from exercising their Natural Law Right to self defense. May I suggest reading the Heller case and Kopel’s article on it.

When the “most influential court in the world” defines self defense to be a Natural Law Right, perhaps your fellow Big Sh*tty chappies should consider revising both your premises and the NY gun laws. Just a suggestion, because doing it yourself is ever so much less embarrassing than having said revisions forced upon you.


60 posted on 06/03/2012 3:12:53 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: wtc911; ctdonath2; Uncle Chip

“When you have genuine proof that martin started the fight and acted thuggish (instead of running away - as zimmereman said) then post it.”

You completely misunderstand the American criminal justice system. In the US of A the accussed are not required to “prove” their innocence. Instead the prosecution must prove their guilt. The burden of proof is entirely on the prosecution. (This is most often mistated as “innocent until proven guilty.”

To demand that Zimmerman or FR posters “prove” that George is innocent is as specious of an position as one could make. Why am I not surprised that you would take this position?


61 posted on 06/03/2012 3:14:23 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: MHGinTN
Hispanic voters need to comprehend that THIS what is being done to George Zimmerman is the real democrat policy toward minorities ... manipulate them, use them, make dependents out of them, and kill them off when it is politically empowering. George has been set up and now must be eliminated so the criminal enterprise Just Us department doesn’t lose face. Make no mistake, Hispanics, the orders for what to do to and with George Zimmerman are coming directly to Floriduh from the criminal unJustice Department run by the criminal enterprise democrat party who think they own your vote.

I really believe that there are powers that be out there that want to start and cause a race/ethnic war. Whomever and whatever they are, they seem to be doing a good job in sowing the seeds for it.
62 posted on 06/03/2012 3:18:50 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: JoSixChip

“You actually believe this will make it to court?”

Only because of dimoKKKrat politics spear headed by Obama. IMHO the Sanford PD had it right in the first place. IMHO this case should not be going to trial.


63 posted on 06/03/2012 3:20:08 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: wtc911

Do you know how many people die in fist fights or because of getting their head banged on a hard object the wrong way. Zimmerman was jumped because he dared to ask Martin what he was up to walking around an area that GZ knew he didn’t live? Yea because god forbid you DISRESPECT A BROTHA for talking to him side ways, right?
You have NO EFFING RIGHT to put your god damn hands on another human for asking you a question and if you do you must accept whatever they bring to you...ass whoopin’ or a hole in the chest.

If GZ was a Dirty Harry type he would have never called the dispatcher in the first place and as soon as he was attacked instead of letting his head get bashed and calling for help for a couple of minutes he would have shot immediately. EVERY THING shows he was not trying to confront and kill Martin.

You’re one sad and mistaken MOFO you if think white people or non blacks are going to keep on taking the crap thugs dish out, like getting punched and jumped over NOTHING. Sorry you want all the self defense and stand your ground laws challenged cause your hommies can’t act out against people at will without getting shot.

You want GZ to have been beaten to a pulp and possibly put in a coma like the guy outside of Dodger Stadium or any of the other cases we hear about black thugs playing KNOCK OUT KING with people?
Well too bad..this man fought back against the thuggery and good for him.


64 posted on 06/03/2012 3:20:43 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: Twinkie
There may come a time when a person has to say “sayonara” to the U.S. and tell the “Trayvons” (Obama’s sons) they’ll just have to fish or cut bait as far as the socialist Democrat freebies go. . and then where are they gonna get all the “wealth” to “spread around”?

Sounds like the idea is to "go Galt."
65 posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: wtc911

“Which known facts, the ones where zimmerman (armed with a loaded sidearm) got out of his car to follow and martin (unarmed) ran away, are those the facts you mean?”

Your description seems to paint a picture that Martin only ran when Zimmerman exited his car, gun exposed, which prompted Martin to take off running in fear. If that was your intent the I say bull hockey.

Zimmerman was on his phone with the police, in fact in mid sentence, when Martin suddenly turned and ran off. In the 911 recording you will see that it is crystal clear that only after Martin takes off does Zimmerman exit his vehicle and head in the direction where Martin disappeared.


66 posted on 06/03/2012 3:24:54 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: snarkytart
Zimmerman was jumped because he dared to ask Martin what he was up to walking around an area that GZ knew he didn’t live...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Please post proof that martin jumped zimmerman.

I say you can't and are just one more babbling freeper.

67 posted on 06/03/2012 3:24:55 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Beach_Babe
His parents and his football program listed him as 6-3 and 160 pounds and growing. There is a video of him at the quickie mart buying his Skittles that night. In the video he towers over the clerk.

Zimmerman's weight was first reported as 250 pounds, but he checked into the jail at his hearing at 185 and I think 5-7. One media reported it as a 7 inch height difference between them which means that in a fist fight Zimmerman wouldn't land a punch.

Either way the media wants Trayvon portrayed as a shorter lighter innocent looking 13 year old cherub, and Zimmerman as the monster. Check the internet for pictures of what he really looked like as a taller heavier 17 year old with gold teeth.

On one talk show, the Talk, one of the ladies stated matter of factly that Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the back three times. She has yet to correct her lie even after the autopsy report came out.

68 posted on 06/03/2012 3:25:26 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: torchthemummy
My description, as you call it, is based solely on zimmerman's own recorded words. It's not my problem if you don't like it.
69 posted on 06/03/2012 3:27:19 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Cboldt

You forgot the part where he lied down on the ground and banged his head on the concrete.


70 posted on 06/03/2012 3:28:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SoFloFreeper
I will pray that George Zimmerman comes out of this, unscathed. What is being done to this man is something I would expect to read about happening in some third world Country. Sadly, this is what the post-racial pResident has brought this Country to.
71 posted on 06/03/2012 3:30:38 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Forty-Niner
To demand that Zimmerman or FR posters “prove” that George is innocent is as specious of an position as one could make.

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Sorry, sparky, but my request is that freepers who state that martin attacked, jumped, assaulted zimmerman support that what they say is true by posting genuine proof.

So far nobody has...want to give it a try?

72 posted on 06/03/2012 3:30:59 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Nope, my facts came straight form zimmerman's recorded words.

Since you say that martin atacked zimmerman first (with his "deadly fists"), how about you tell us where you got your facts...link to proof that what you say is true...I bet you can't.

73 posted on 06/03/2012 3:34:41 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Nope, my facts came straight from zimmerman's recorded words.

Since you say that martin atacked zimmerman first (with his "deadly fists"), how about you tell us where you got your facts...link to proof that what you say is true...I bet you can't.

74 posted on 06/03/2012 3:34:54 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip
-- You forgot the part where he lied down on the ground and banged his head on the concrete. --

Oh yeah, thanks! And when he broke his own nose in the minute or so between executing Martin in cold blood, and the police showing up.

75 posted on 06/03/2012 3:35:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wtc911
My description, as you call it, is based solely on zimmerman's own recorded words. It's not my problem if you don't like it.

That is a blatant lie and you know it. If that were true, you would be singing a different tune.

76 posted on 06/03/2012 3:37:12 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: GladesGuru
By commencing a potentially lethal attack while simultaneously removing any possible retreat, Martin signed his own death warrant.

Facts are your friend, my FRiend.

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Yes, they are...so how about you provide proof that martin commenced a potentially lethal attack.

Go ahead, give it a try.

77 posted on 06/03/2012 3:38:56 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: napscoordinator

He didn’t lie.


78 posted on 06/03/2012 3:41:37 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Uncle Chip
Blatant lie? Which part? The part about zimmerman being armed? The part about zimmerman following martin? The part about martin running? The part about martin being unarmed?

Which part is the "blatant lie"?

79 posted on 06/03/2012 3:41:37 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip

No one saw what intigated the interaction, witness saw tow man fighting on the ground. Isn’t it hust possible that zimmerman shoved or pushed Martin initially? The reality is that we will never know what happened. Zimmerman is no hero.


80 posted on 06/03/2012 3:45:14 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: wtc911
Please post proof that martin jumped zimmerman.

You still don't get it, do you?

Once again, the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

The prosecution will have to prove that Zimmerman attacked Martin, if their charge is to stick.

And the preponderance of evidence available thus far, such as the injuries to the respective individuals, for instance, as well as other circumstances, supports Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

If you wish to take the prosecution's angle in this discussion, then embrace the fact that it is the state who will have to prove, with their evidence, and beyond any reasonable doubt, that something other than self-defense occurred.

81 posted on 06/03/2012 3:45:55 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: wtc911
Since you say that martin atacked zimmerman first (with his "deadly fists"), how about you tell us where you got your facts.

The autopsy report on Trayvon showing bloody knuckles yet no wounds or cuts or bruises to the face as from someone else's fist. The medical reports and photos from the paramedics, the police, the physician of broken nose, black eyes, bruises to the face, cuts to the back of the head as Trayvon was banging his head on the concrete. All of this evidence was released by the prosecuting attorney atleast a week ago.

What planet do you live on????

82 posted on 06/03/2012 3:48:25 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: sargon
I get it fully. I have not written a single word on this post about the legal issues.

Multiple freepers swear that the fact is that martin attacked zimmerman....I say support that speculation with genuine proof.

So far nobody has.....want to try to yourself?

83 posted on 06/03/2012 3:50:38 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip
What planet do you live on????

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Earth, where facts are supported by proof not wishful speculation.

All the damage to zimmerman just shows that he can't fight and got his ass kicked. It does not prove in any way who started the fight.

If you have proof that martin did, in fact, start the fight then post it. Of course we both know that you can't.

84 posted on 06/03/2012 3:54:58 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Well, I guess the Medical Examiner was wrong. Martin's body length is listed as 71 inches and his weight is listed as 158 pounds.

The Medical Examiner also noted that Martin had scars on his right shoulder and right hand but completely missed the scar under his right eye which is very visible in the 'gold-toothed' Trayvon photos that have been posted here.

Medical Examiner Report

85 posted on 06/03/2012 3:55:36 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: tbw2

Didn’t I hear that the supposed unreported money was in a bank account dedicated to Zimmerman’s defense and was donated and that donations were still coming in. It was not something that Zimmerman earned and saved in a personal account. If this is true it is probably a mix up in understanding of what should have been reported.


86 posted on 06/03/2012 3:57:28 PM PDT by Latecomer
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To: wtc911; Admin Moderator

You have no proof that Zimmerman acted in any way illegally.

I await said proof from you. Until you have it, I suggest you quit denigrating your fellow FReepers by using the “babbling” term.


87 posted on 06/03/2012 4:03:09 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wtc911

What do you feel you’re gaining by playing at agitprop, trying to stir up anger at FreeRepublic? Your methodology is confrontational and your persistence is somewhat more than prior appearances a few weeks ago over the birhter issues. Your posting behavior bespeaks a bit more training in your fraudulent president’s advice to ‘get in their faces’ confront them’. Want to tell us why you feel compelled to try and agitrpop for the Holder/Jasckson/Sharptoon lynchmob?


88 posted on 06/03/2012 4:03:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wtc911

What do you feel you’re gaining by playing at agitprop, trying to stir up anger at FreeRepublic? Your methodology is confrontational and your persistence is somewhat more than prior appearances a few weeks ago over the birhter issues. Your posting behavior bespeaks a bit more training in your fraudulent president’s advice to ‘get in their faces’ confront them’. Want to tell us why you feel compelled to try and agitprop for the Holder/Jasckson/Sharptoon lynchmob?


89 posted on 06/03/2012 4:03:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: fwdude
Do we even hear of authorities going after ANY of those threatening this defendant? Crickets.

If they kill Zimmerman the press won't care either... Something is very wrong about all this...

90 posted on 06/03/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: BLOC77
No one saw what intigated the interaction, witness saw tow man fighting on the ground.

No -- the witnesses saw the black man on top pummelling the guy underneath. The forensic evidence identifies the one on the concrete being pummelled as Zimmerman. There is no doubt about that.

Isn’t it hust possible that zimmerman shoved or pushed Martin initially?

That's possible but not likely. A shoving or pushing match would be relatively harmless. Who then raised the stakes and turned it into a fistfight??? Why would Zimmerman who is 7 inches shorter and likely to lose any physical encounter start something with someone so much bigger??? Even a couple of inches is enough to make you back off.

The reality is that we will never know what happened.

We know enough to know that Trayvon was violently beating him before he was shot, and if that's the case then Zimmerman does not belong in jail.

91 posted on 06/03/2012 4:23:23 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: goseminoles

But the wife told them that her brother in law knew about it and the didn’t pursue that.


92 posted on 06/03/2012 4:42:17 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Someone pointed out the timing of this... it came out the day another prominent attorney, Don West signed on.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531,0,64138.story


93 posted on 06/03/2012 4:47:51 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: wtc911

“So far nobody has...want to give it a try?”

The subject has been given so much attention that anyone on FR asking that now obviously hasn’t been paying attention.

Suffice to say a community watch member who calls 911 about suspicious activity and asks for the cops to come, then has his head smashed against a sidewalk, then shoots a larger stoned guy with a criminal record while the latter is on top of him, well, it’s pretty clear to anyone without an agenda.


94 posted on 06/03/2012 4:48:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: wtc911

“...so how about you provide proof that martin commenced a potentially lethal attack.”

Google Zimmerman scalp injury images. Google is your friend, FRiend.

Once Martin began slamming Zimmerman’s head into the concrete, he had commenced behavior dangerous enough to Zimmerman to justify “lethal force”.

He did, and Zimmerman then shot him. Good shoot, IMHO.

Perhaps our difference is predicated upon how we see one human slamming another human’s head onto concrete.

You seem to feel such an act as acceptable, just part of a fight. Fights do not justify using lethal force unless there is reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or death. In this case, the medical and legal findings support the “potential lethal act”.


95 posted on 06/03/2012 4:48:41 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: SoFloFreeper

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/03/regarding-zimmerman-finances-a-legal-consideration/

Interesting information about the paypal account.


96 posted on 06/03/2012 4:51:17 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: GladesGuru
Sorry but all zimmerman's injuries show is that he was losing the fight --- not who started it.

If you have a link to proof of martin starting the fight pleas post it.

97 posted on 06/03/2012 4:53:38 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Beach_Babe
He's still a chubby

And would you like to post *your* weight?

Your weight, including the body army you would have to be wearing if you were George Zimmerman?

I would expect freepers would be more positive about a man who is being railroaded in a clear self defense case. But then there are a lot of losers hanging out here recently.

98 posted on 06/03/2012 4:54:49 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ctdonath2

iow...you know that you can’t provide any proof that martin started the fight, jumped, attacked or assaulted zimmerman.


99 posted on 06/03/2012 4:55:29 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Cboldt

Shelly Zimmerman told the court that her brother in law had the information. DLR decided not to pursue that avenue. Crump is behind this.


100 posted on 06/03/2012 4:55:52 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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