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Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana
New York Slimes ^ | 6/5/12 | Steve F.

Posted on 06/05/2012 5:25:47 AM PDT by stefeb

ALBANY — The New York Police Department, the mayor and the city’s top prosecutors on Monday endorsed a proposal to decriminalize the open possession of small amounts of marijuana, giving an unexpected lift to an effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to cut down on the number of people arrested as a result of police stops...

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To: varyouga

Yeah, I think that you are caught up in the drug world as an habitual user, that seems very clear and from your description it seems to have happened a long time ago to you, somebody ‘won’ you over to it’s ‘wonders’ and snagged you.


41 posted on 06/06/2012 7:43:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
Again with the baseless personal attack. Three strikes and you're out.

If drugs are so bad how can I be a “long time” “habitual user” and be successful at the same time. Shouldn't I be out begging and stealing in the streets? I've been self-sufficient and started my own business before I turned 20. I paid my way through college while earning a 3.6 GPA in a Nuclear/Mechanical Engineering dual major. I worked on nuclear and various other facilities around the world. I am now a consultant and own several properties across the country. Including a house in NYC.

And yeah, I think you are or were a cop in a department that didn't do much else but bust people for drugs. You must be terrified that 56% of people support pot legalization in the latest poll. And even more terrified that there are many occasional drug users that are more successful and self-sufficient than any cop will ever be. Feel free to deny everything I said if it helps you feel better about yourself.

Also, you still haven't told me what you think of the disgusting drug-war crap going on at the NYPD. The whole department is so corrupt that they probably had to give that sobbing idiot a deal to keep his mouth shut. Even more embarrassing is that the best article on this mess is from the UK. I wrote every single one of my politicians and not a damn thing was done. Most people have no clue it even happened. I guarantee you that this is still going on and it is an unbelievable outrage. Your silence is deafening on this matter...

42 posted on 06/06/2012 8:27:30 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I think there is still some room left on your home page to squeeze in yet more of your self praise that you seem to depend on and post so much.

If you can kick the drugs, then you may find an even more satisfying form of success.


43 posted on 06/06/2012 8:34:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
It's not “self praise”, I'm just giving you my background. You don't know me and continue to assume things. I don't say any of this to people who already know me.

For the record, I haven't touched anything in years. I just don't have the time and I sometimes work on jobs where questions are asked. However, I do know many successful people in the psychedelic community and find it fascinating. For instance, I know a mathematician that solved a centuries old problem on LSD. His mind already knew the answer but he tried several psychedelics until it he could express it to others. He earned one of the highest prizes in the world in math. I am 100% deadly serious. Very pure, very measured doses of most psychedelics are less dangerous than alcohol.

Also, I'm so passionate because I had one of my closest friends pointlessly have their life ruined by the failed and pointless drug war. He was an innocent person, just finished grad school and was just about to start an amazing job in TX for an oil firm. About a quarter million per year in compensation. He was going out on his last night in town when a dirty cop planted something on him. The arrest caused his degree to be temporarily revoked and cost him the job. He had a drug test the next day and there were several witnesses that saw the cop palm it. He was also very poor and just lived with his grandpa. The cost of not having his degree, the student loans and the lawyer fees as the case dragged on killed him financially. He took his own life and I am very passionate about this. The outrage from the NYPD just re-ignited my anger and I really wanted to hear cops seriously condemn this. I think such a betrayal by our “sheepdogs” is more serious than murder.

I have seen plenty of success and it has already been an incredible journey just about every day of my life. I still have a good while to go and much more to achieve. I haven't heard much about you FRiend, but God Bless you, best of luck to you and please don't jump to conclusions in the future.

44 posted on 06/06/2012 9:49:42 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga
I'm not jumping to conclusions, everything I said is relevant, the only thing might be that you have managed to get out of the drug use, that you give the impression has filled much of your life, but I don't believe that you did, my impression is that you are still a chronic doper, you are too hard a pusher to be an ex-user, you glorify it, and lie about it with your talk of stoner Israel and the Cannabis smoking of historical Jews and the smartest among us, the most accomplished among us, and so on.

I have no idea where you got the idea that I am a cop, or ever have been, that was some jumping to conclusions. If cops were sheepdogs they wouldn't be so weak and corrupt, and unwilling to expose the many wolves among themselves, and prone to feeding on the weak.

45 posted on 06/06/2012 10:18:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
“I have no idea where you got the idea that I am a cop,or ever have been,that was some jumping to conclusions. If cops were sheepdogs they wouldn't be so weak and corrupt,and unwilling to expose the many wolves among themselves,and prone to feeding on the weak.”

I only said it after you attacked me personally with your assumptions and did not refute anything I said. Your page sounds like a cop's page. Annoying, isn't it?

I appreciate that you finally condemned such cops. Again, I am so passionate because ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS HAD HIS LIFE RUINED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS. It happens to innocent people every day and I demand justice whenever such cops are caught. Since no justice is ever done, I also make it a point to discredit the corrupt WOD whenever the opportunity arises. It wasn't a big deal for me until it got personal and an amazing person was removed from this world.

As far as the Jews go, I have already explained that it is almost impossible to get a picture of average life from ancient texts.

However, we can say with near certainty that it was used in many recipes found in the torrah for ceremony. http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap2B/Hebrew/Hebrew.htm

Also, I am half Israeli and half of my family is directly descended from the priest class in Israel. According to those that still live there cannabis and hashish has always been accepted and used by many in Israel who choose to do so. It is still defacto legal in Israel and they have few problems.

If you want to read more about Cannabis and Israeli oral traditions, I highly recommend “Emperor” by Jack Herer and “Cannabis Chassidis: The Ancient and Emerging Torah of Drugs” by Yoseph Leib Ibn Mardachya. He goes on a 5-year journey throughout Israel and interviews many historians and theologians.

46 posted on 06/07/2012 5:44:47 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

LOL, you are wrong about my homepage but leave it to a Bloomberg supporting doper’s drug induced paranoia to bizarrely think it is a cop’s page, you are wrong about historical Israel and the Jews being a pot culture, you side with the left and the drug cartels, but that is one of the effects of drugs.

You sound exactly like every other lefty stoner, your defense of Bloomberg is 100% but it is the same old tired doper stuff.

After looking at your posting history I see that you are worse than most other drug-addled liberals, you are here to crusade for drugs on freerepublic, from Meth, to Cannabis to Ecstasy, you really do have a left wing agenda.

You have page after page after page of almost nothing but rabidly promoting drugs along with your fear of women and your being “very successful, intelligent and above average looking”. It is all a New York City doper’s rantings displaying his arrested development induced by habitual drug use.

Sorry, but a New York liberal trapped in adolescence and pushing drugs is not something that I want to spend much time on here at FR.


47 posted on 06/07/2012 8:14:34 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
“LOL, you are wrong about my homepage but leave it to a Bloomberg supporting doper’s drug induced paranoia to bizarrely think it is a cop’s page”

First of all, you’re assuming again. I hate Bloomberg and every single one of my corrupt politicians with a passion. You said “I myself am a sheepdog, ansel12”, “Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell”. Just from your page, it states that you are military or a cop (50% chance). You never stated which one. You personally attack people and use insulting words for everyone that doesn’t agree with the WOD without posting any points, just like many confirmed cops on this site. A 50%+ guess is not “doper induced paranoia”. I usually never personally call people out but you never stopped.

“you are wrong about historical Israel and the Jews being a pot culture, you side with the left and the drug cartels, but that is one of the effects of drugs.”

Again with the pot/alcohol culture nonsense. There are no cultures “based” on drugs. Drugs and alcohol have always been occasionally used by many people and abused by some people. It was a non-issue and a part of life until the modern-day nannystaters thought prohibition would make everyone perfect and sober 100% of the time. The facts show prohibition has done nothing to reduce drug use. The only thing it does is waste resources, ruin innocent lives, make violent criminals rich, promote police corruption and erode civil liberties. Show me something that says otherwise. YOU are the liberal for supporting the pointless destruction of our liberty.

I have already sent you a page and two books that explain the history of cannabis in Israel. If you disagree with anything in them, please post a rebuttal without resorting to name-calling. History aside, it is 100% fact that possessing and openly smoking cannabis is 100% legal in Israel. Please show me any problems that have resulted from this.

Now, look up photos of people drinking outside, especially in London streets. People lying literally in the gutter, women getting stripped naked, drunken fights/assaults and urinating in the streets while passed out. You will NEVER see people acting this way on cannabis. I will send you $100 if you show me a single such scene resulting from cannabis.

Just a few examples of “Alcohol culture”. I can send you whole albums if you like it so much:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222090/Reveller-pictured-knickers-ankles-shocking-scene-UKs-streets-shame.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187430/Binge-drinking-ladette-culture-blame-shocking-rise-violent-assaults-women-say-police.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158182/Ladette-binge-drinking-violence-soars-300-just-seven-years.html

It is disgusting but I am not a liberal nannystater and I know it will only be worse if we enact prohibition. And again, alcohol causes 100% proven damage to the entire body. Most drugs do not even come close to the permanent damage alcohol can do.

I am done unless you post a single rebuttal without resorting to personal attacks. You obviously have no defense for anything I said. Instead of refuting even a single point with fact, you would rather spend time to look at my posting history and try to attack me with false personal assumptions.

The only thing I push is getting the facts out and disproving our corrupt government's position that allows the War on (Some) Drugs to continue. If you disagree with something I posted now or in the past, feel free to challenge it. I would love to finally debate someone that has good points for the WOD. It is YOU who are stuck in adolescence with the personal name-calling. Now debate like an adult.

48 posted on 06/07/2012 9:36:52 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: ansel12
P.S.-

“You have page after page after page of almost nothing but rabidly promoting drugs along with your fear of women…”

For the 6th time, please stop posting personal attacks that are completely untrue. It makes you look bad and does nothing to prove your point. FYI, before this thread, I had 226 posts in 2012.

Only 16 posts were related to relationships with women. That is only 7% and I think this is low considering how important relationships are in our lives. I have no clue where you got the idea that I am “afraid” of women.

Only 26 posts are related to the WOD. That is only 11.5% and mostly because I always reply if challenged to a debate. It is a controversial topic and many people are ignorant of the true facts so I need to set the record straight for everyone reading. I am not promoting drug abuse. I am simply giving facts, disproving false misconceptions and explaining why prohibition has only made things worse. Again, one of my best friends, an innocent and very successful person, was KILLED by the WOD so I am very outspoken about the problems it continues to cause. You seem to fail at understanding how devastating that is. I still think about it almost every day. Did you ever have any real friends?

18.5% is not even close to “page after page of almost nothing but...”. Please stop with the false personal attacks! I am home with a sprained ankle and really thought just one person on here would finally give me a good intellectual debate without personal attacks or name-calling. Sadly, I am once again disappointed…

49 posted on 06/07/2012 12:47:55 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

LOL, thanks for doing the percentages.

Man, you have got to get off the drugs, and as an immigrant, please quit pushing them for the children and future of America, you and the rest of the left are destructive forces for the United States.


50 posted on 06/07/2012 12:56:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
“…thanks for doing the percentages.”

No problem at all. Just setting the facts straight. It only took me 10 minutes and I was curious myself.

“Man, you have got to get off the drugs, and as an immigrant, please quit pushing them for the children and future of America, you and the rest of the left are destructive forces for the United States.”

I never was “on drugs”, “man”. I am a US Citizen and have been an American for decades. This is my home and I would never go anywhere else. My old country has not existed in over two decades. I have never taken a dime in handouts and contribute more to the US than 95%+ of other residents. I started here with almost nothing and am not even close to a leftist or a socialist. Again, I am not pushing drugs on anyone and don’t believe alcohol nor other drugs should ever be used irresponsibly. I am simply showing that the WOD is a more destructive force to America than the drugs themselves will ever be. The WOD actually increases dangerous substance abuse. I’m practically begging to gain more faith in our government on this issue but in 7 years since I began my crusade nobody has proven me wrong…

51 posted on 06/07/2012 2:12:47 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Your percentages proved my point, you are so deep into the drug world that you are obsessed with drugs, it is an agenda with you.

It is disturbing that immigrants are pushing for drug use in America and defending and promoting their use.

Bloomberg and the pushers depend on you people, that is quite a city that you people have put together there.


52 posted on 06/07/2012 2:32:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
“Your percentages proved my point, you are so deep into the drug world that you are obsessed with drugs, it is an agenda with you.”

How does it prove your point? Only 1 in 10 posts are related and most of them are a result of the back-and-forth conversations like this one. By threads, it comes out to approx. 1 in 30. Hardly an “obsession”. Feel free to count them yourself.

“It is disturbing that immigrants are pushing for drug use in America and defending and promoting their use. Bloomberg and the pushers depend on you people, that is quite a city that you people have put together there.”

I have already refuted and explained all of this to you several times. You cannot or refuse to understand. Who are “you people”? I hate the government in this city and state and do everything in my power to install a conservative constitutional government. I love many other aspects of this city and will stay here to fight it out. And now you start with the "immigrant" label. I am more American and contribute more than the vast majority of people born here.

53 posted on 06/07/2012 2:52:37 PM PDT by varyouga
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