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Fast and Furious: House Oversight has a ‘mole’ in the Justice Department
Human Events ^ | 06/07/2012 | John Hayward

Posted on 06/07/2012 10:04:52 PM PDT by neverdem

Big news about the Obama Administration's “Fast and Furious” scandal broke earlier this week, when the House Oversight committee finally got its hands on some of the documents it subpoenaed long ago – specifically, a set of wiretap applications that prove high officials at the Justice Department were very well aware of the deadly “gun walking” tactics that put American weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartel killers. Attorney General Eric Holder has always maintained that knowledge of these tactics did not reach the upper echelons of his department.

The revelation of documents shredding Holder's claims stirred some in the Republican leadership to begin taking the idea of filing contempt of Congress charges against the Attorney General more seriously. Justice sent a letter to the House Republican leadership on Tuesday, offering to work out a deal for releasing some of the “Fast and Furious” information covered by those long-defied subpoenas. As House Oversight chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) said in an angry letter challenging Holder's honesty, it's increasingly clear why he doesn't want congressional investigators to see the documents he is refusing to hand over.

It turns out that Issa didn't get those bombshell wiretap applications because Holder suddenly decided to comply with the subpoenas, and dribble out some useful material. It seems the House Oversight committee has a “mole” in the Justice Department, who surreptitiously gave the wiretap documentation to House investigators.

In a Fox News interview on Wednesday, Issa said he would not reveal the identity of his source for the documents, pointing out that other “Fast and Furious” whistleblowers have experienced retaliation from their superiors, particularly at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives:

On Thursday, The Hill reported that Justice is angry about the document leak, although no decision about finding and punishing the mole has been made yet:

“Chairman Issa's letter makes clear that sealed court documents relating to pending federal prosecutions being handled by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of California have been disclosed to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in violation of law,” wrote Deputy Attorney General James Cole to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Issa this week.

“This is of great concern to us,” the letter added.

There isn't much chance that Justice will file any sort of charges against Issa or the rest of the House Oversight Committee, but the whistleblower who handed over the sealed documents could be prosecuted, and ultimately imprisoned. House Oversight members have been careful not to release specific information from the sealed documents to the public.

Leaving the mole alone would make Justice look bad. The Attorney General's excuse for defying congressional subpoenas has always involved claiming that an internal DOJ investigation into Operation Fast and Furious is still ongoing (and has now ostensibly been in progress far longer than the investigation into John F. Kennedy's assassination.) Also, he says the requested documents are relevant to ongoing criminal prosecutions, which would be ruined if judicial seals on the documents were violated.

If either of these defenses is to be taken seriously, the whistleblower has jeopardized both the fabled “internal investigation” and those criminal prosecutions, so he or she must be found and punished. It remains an open question who the Justice Department might still be trying to prosecute in relation to Fast and Furious, since one major component of the outrage is that most of the high-value targets were already well-known criminals. Some of them actually turned out to be FBI informants. Several were caught and released by ATF on multiple occasions. How can every scrap of the paperwork mountain House Oversight wants Holder to hand over be tied up in an active criminal case that was in progress over eight months ago, when the subpoenas were issued, and is still percolating along today?

On the other hand, if Justice roots out the House Oversight source and levels serious charges, it's likely to enrage both members of Issa's committee and the Republican leadership. It might even draw the attention of a press corps that has generally worked very hard at not noticing the Attorney General of the United States misleading Congress to cover up an operation whose true goals remain the subject of debate, and whose result was hundreds of dead Mexican citizens, plus slain American law enforcement agents.

It is vitally important to learn who initiated this program, and why.  It's equally important to pin down exactly when top Justice officials, including Eric Holder himself, became aware of "gun walking" tactics, and why they didn't put a stop them instantly. It could not be more clear that Holder will never produce documented answers to those questions voluntarily.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; mexico; murdergate; obama
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To: Dead Corpse
'Open to suggestions on what might actually work to light a fire under everyone's ass.'

BOMBARD Congress with phone calls & emails - with special attention to Boehner. Ask ask them if they have been paying attention to Wisconsin.

Tell them that WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING & we are tired of waiting for them to get off their collective asses or suffer the consequences.

51 posted on 06/08/2012 12:27:12 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Condor51

You left out Valerie Jarett. FWIW I was referring as much to their style and tactics as their origins. I’m not sure I can accept the premise that because they fought the Daley Machine that means they’re not raised on and part of the Chicago Machine though.


52 posted on 06/08/2012 12:27:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Steven Tyler
Further, Holder and 0bama must be sweating about Which documents have been supplied to Issa.

No doubt. In order to get someone to commit to a losing hand you don't want to let them know you're holding a winning hand.

53 posted on 06/08/2012 12:38:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RummyChick
Would you care for some...


54 posted on 06/08/2012 12:49:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: LADY J

We’ve done all that just to get where we are now.


55 posted on 06/08/2012 1:16:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: neverdem
"We're still working on gun control, but under the radar."

(Pres. Obama to Sarah Brady.)


56 posted on 06/08/2012 2:09:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Brower

POTUS and the AG could barbeque and feast on infant babies in front of reporters from ABCNNBCBS/NYT/WaPo/LAT, and they would not report it.

Welcome to the USSA, comrade, where American Pravda goes by many names, but speaks with one mind and voice.


57 posted on 06/08/2012 2:14:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TigersEye

Alinsky tactics don’t work with me.

Please explain how it is possible that the CIA would not know about the multi agency Fast and Furious program that was arming the enemy of the Zetas -who you claim were being armed by the CIA.


58 posted on 06/08/2012 3:22:24 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I didn't claim that. Plumlee and Jordan did.

You're mincing words.

59 posted on 06/08/2012 3:24:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RummyChick
You're not supposed to drag discussions from one thread to another ... but since you did ...

You sure are pushing CIA theories. ...it’s just you are pushing the theory that they were arming the Zetas.

That is not a theory it is a quote from an article where Plumlee and Jordan are the sources.

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

Robert “Tosh” Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, told the Times he supported Jordan’s allegations, adding that the Zetas have reportedly bought property in the Columbus, N.M., border region to stash weapons and other contraband.

“From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales Program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”

“The information about the arms trafficking was provided to our U.S. authorities long before the ‘Columbus 11' investigation began,” said Plumlee, referring to recent indictments accusing several Columbus city officials of arms trafficking in conjunction with alleged accomplices in El Paso and Chaparral, N.M.

Jesús Rejón Aguilar, the number three man in the Zeta’s hierarchy, disclosed last week that the Zetas bought weapons in the United States and transported them across the Rio Grande. Mexican federal authorities captured Rejón on July 3 in the state of Mexico, and presented him to the news media the next day. His recorded video statement was uploaded on YouTube.

Jordan agreed with Plumlee’s allegations that the Zetas are operating in the Columbus-Palomas border.

You were the one who brought Plumlee and Jordan into this to support your CIA conspiracy theory. You don't like what they say now?

60 posted on 06/08/2012 3:30:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Oh brother... I have said it is quite possible that the CIA helped assist with the arming of the Zetas.

What you can’t seem to do is explain how the CIA would be clueless about arming the Sinaloas during Fast and Furious.

It is very very odd that you would be on the bandwagon of a CIA conspiracy about arming the Zetas..but think it is ludicrous that the CIA would know about Fast and Furious.

Here is a clue...since you don’t seem to know the history of the CIA...it’s not inconceivable that they would arm both sides.

What is inconceivable is that they wouldn’t know what was happening with the Drug Lords and the arming of them with US guns.

Odd disinformation campaign you are running...


61 posted on 06/08/2012 3:36:14 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
It is very very odd that you would be on the bandwagon of a CIA conspiracy about arming the Zetas...

I quoted an article using your sources to show that what you said wasn't supported by them. I didn't get on any bandwagon.

...but think it is ludicrous that the CIA would know about Fast and Furious.

I never said they didn't know about I said it was absurd to think they were part of it.

You drug this discussion over here from another thread so that no one here would know what was said before. Is that an Alinsky tactic or just garden variety hucksterism?

62 posted on 06/08/2012 5:30:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Conservative4Ever
"I pray to God, Holder and Obama will pay for this.

NOT A CHANCE. They have pigmentation immunity from any and all crimes committed in office or otherwise.

63 posted on 06/08/2012 5:43:54 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: TigersEye

I am astounded at the depths of your deception.

For anyone who is happening to come to this thread via Google.. watch out for those with intent to deceive..

btw

This is what I said when I posted the link:
“Might I remind you that the vicious Zetas are rivals of Sinaloa.” And the article says exactly that.

I don’t know what you are up to in this disinformation campaign..but if the CIA was arming the Zetas..it is not nutty or kooky or outlandish to think they could do the same with the Sinaloas.

Anyone who is intentionally disingenuous, like you have been, raises a red flag to me.


64 posted on 06/08/2012 5:48:47 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
...if the CIA was arming the Zetas..it is not nutty or kooky or outlandish to think they could do the same with the Sinaloas.

I never said it was. I said it was absurd, IMO, to think the CIA was involved in F&F.

You lie a lot you know that?

65 posted on 06/08/2012 5:51:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.

And Obama’s and Holder’s Fast and Furious program uses numerous mules.


66 posted on 06/08/2012 5:54:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (There are more false flag operations on FR than there are in Syria (where the number is near zero).)
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To: RummyChick
Anyone who is intentionally disingenuous, like you have been, raises a red flag to me.

Talk about projection. I have nothing to hide. I didn't drag a conversation to a new thread to play hide&seek games with the truth. Here is where it all started for anyone who is masochistic enough to read it all.

67 posted on 06/08/2012 5:55:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

“Funny that you didn’t notice that I’m not the one pushing the kooky CIA theories.”

Something is off with you. Not sure what it is..but something is very odd with you pushing the CIA/Zetas line but claiming that the idea that the CIA was involved with arming the Sinaloas is Kooky.


68 posted on 06/08/2012 6:09:14 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Respond on the thread where our conversation started.

New Documents Show Senior DOJ Officials Were Informed of Gunwalking in Fast and Furious

I'm not participating in your attempt to deceive everyone here anymore.

69 posted on 06/08/2012 6:15:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Baynative

In my head I know you’re right...but in my heart I want them punished.


70 posted on 06/08/2012 6:35:26 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: TigersEye

Know anything about Richmor Aviation???

Tail Number N987SA

Ever heard of Rendition flights???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/31/us-firms-torture-flights-rendition

Tail Number N987SA went to Guantanamo Bay, did it not???

Sold a few weeks before it crash landed. Sold TWICE

The one that had about 4 tons of cocaine??

The plane that Mexican Authorities say was bought by the Sinaloas???

But hey, according to you it is KOOKY to think the CIA would be involved with the Sinaloas . Or at least that is the disinformation game you are playing...


71 posted on 06/08/2012 6:48:48 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

oh, btw, the sale of the mysterious aircraft to the Sinaloas involved a known CIA operative (and DEA) by the name of Vega.
Ever heard of Operation Gambit?

But I guess your disinformation campaign will still claim it is Kooky to think that the CIA was involved in arming the Sinaloas.


72 posted on 06/08/2012 7:00:32 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TigersEye

And here is one more thing...

http://www.narconews.com/Issue49/article2989.html

Read it carefully before you continue your disinformation campaign.


73 posted on 06/08/2012 7:09:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TigersEye

Well well well..just who is reading this thread.

A document that I found yesterday that was given to the European Parliament about CIA rendition activities has been scrubbed of the net in less than 24 hours.

Or at least someone has made it more difficult to find.

But still no explanation from you as to why you are spreading disinformation about the CIA and the link to the Sinaloas.

Just how did the Sinaloas get an aircraft that had been used to transport detainees to Guantanamo????

Here is my comment to the black ops guys...hey, I know you have to do all kinds of sordid things in the name of furthering the goals of the US..whatever they may be..no matter how questionable they may be..some go right..some go wrong. I know you have to fund those activities.

But arming violent and vicious Drug cartels that can easily walk across the border is pretty damn stupid.

Hope you get a plan figured out on that one!

Oh, and I have no problem with the CIA torturing terrorists to get info. Rock On....


74 posted on 06/09/2012 7:33:21 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TigersEye

“No, but the 3rd Reich wasn’t tried by their own government either.”

Right, that is my point. What controlling legal authority will hold this current US government accountable for its corruption?

The intent of our founders was for the people to be represented by the government and have the power to correct it by the soap box and ballot box.

The propaganda media controls most of the soap box, and the ballot box has become useless due to fraud, and the Going On Progressive party thrusting clowns like McCain and Romney upon us.

It appears to me that a messy constitutional crisis brought upon by martial law might actually be more beneficial to cleansing this country of corruption than the election of Romney.

The preferred solution if peaceful correction by due process, but history shows that tyranny must be dealt with by more extreme measures in this imperfect world.

I pray that I am wrong, but I think too many Americans are willfully ignorant of just how morally bankrupt our leadership has become. This normalcy bias led to the destruction (and subsequent rebuilding) of Germany.

Lets pray America takes a different path.


75 posted on 06/09/2012 8:00:20 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
I'm afraid I agree with everything you said.

I pray that I am wrong, but I think too many Americans are willfully ignorant of just how morally bankrupt our leadership has become.

Therein lies one of the biggest problems we face and it's easy to be willfully ignorant when most of the press are seditious traitors who paint a fairy tale picture of what's going on.

76 posted on 06/09/2012 8:25:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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