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Rick Santorum predicts a convention fight with Ron Paul delegates over party platform
Yahoo ^ | 06/08/2012 | Chris Moody

Posted on 06/08/2012 1:21:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: tacticalogic

See ya.


221 posted on 06/14/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Possible, but not likely.


222 posted on 06/14/2012 10:58:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide."

-- Ronald Reagan


223 posted on 06/14/2012 11:07:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance
From George Washington's Farewell Address

"It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

I can sympathize the objective, but your chosen means suck skunk butt.

224 posted on 06/14/2012 11:28:01 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Please explain how the executive - whose primary charge is the execution of the laws, of which the Constitution is supreme - securing the lives of the innocents who are being slaughtered - as the Constitution explicitly and imperatively demands - can be an encroachment on the other branches, or a usurpation of any other branch’s legitimate power.

Your quote from Washington is a non sequitur.

The usurpers and tyrants are those who are aiding and abetting the killing of children, not those who desire to protect them. You have the world turned upside down.


225 posted on 06/14/2012 12:17:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Please explain how the executive - whose primary charge is the execution of the laws, of which the Constitution is supreme - securing the lives of the innocents who are being slaughtered - as the Constitution explicitly and imperatively demands - can be an encroachment on the other branches, or a usurpation of any other branch’s legitimate power.

By claiming authority via sophistry and misrepresentation.

226 posted on 06/14/2012 12:28:47 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

By the way, you obviously don’t understand my “chosen means” at all. Your blinders won’t let you see it.

If all other officers of government, at all levels, in every branch, will simply do THEIR first sworn duty, which is to equally protect the lives of the people, the president won’t have to do anything at all.

http://www.equalprotectionforposterity.com/the-equal-protection-for-posterity-resolution.html


227 posted on 06/14/2012 12:32:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: tacticalogic

If his duty is to protect the rights of the people, he has the authority to fulfill his duty. It’s foolishness and a mockery to claim otherwise.

Sophistry is the hiding of the truth under a cloud of misleading words. The idea that I’m doing that is laughable. I don’t know of any candidate who is being as open and honest about his intentions as I am.

If you want sophistry and misrepresentation, go read any communication from the Romney campaign.


228 posted on 06/14/2012 12:39:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If all other officers of government, at all levels, in every branch, will simply do THEIR first sworn duty, which is to equally protect the lives of the people, the president won’t have to do anything at all.

If you're claiming you're going to do this because some other official isn't doing their job, they you are consolidating power of another department to the Executive branch.

229 posted on 06/14/2012 12:40:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Sophistry is the hiding of the truth under a cloud of misleading words.

Yes. Typically by taking the meaning of a word in one context and applying it in another. Like carefully avoiding the historical context of when the federal government has always acknowleged a "person", and instead taking the word "person" in a different context and then transparently slipping that back into the first context.

230 posted on 06/14/2012 12:46:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
If you're claiming you're going to do this because some other official isn't doing their job, they you are consolidating power of another department to the Executive branch.

Wrong. We're talking about life here, the defense of which is the first duty of all officers of government in this country.

231 posted on 06/14/2012 1:38:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: tacticalogic
Again, a person is a person.

A tree is a tree.

A blade of grass is a blade of grass.

A rock is a rock.

Nature is nature, no matter what you pretend.

The summation of the work of Samuel Adams and the Committees of Correspondence:

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature."

232 posted on 06/14/2012 1:44:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Okay, when the first-place candidate has 1300 or so bound delegates, there’s a limit to how much difference guys with one or two hundred delegates are going to make in the platform.


233 posted on 06/14/2012 1:56:41 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Again, a person is a person.

I understand. You have to keep repeating that to prevent the distinction between a statutory person and a biological person from getting in. That allows you to substitute the biological definition for the statutory definition, effectively changing the law by rhetorical subterfuge.

234 posted on 06/14/2012 2:04:21 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You have to keep repeating that to prevent the distinction between a statutory person and a biological person from getting in.

You're now admitting that we're talking about a biological person? Maybe we're making progress.

effectively changing the law by rhetorical subterfuge

The supreme law says:

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It's hard for me to imagine a phrase that could be any more of a "rhetorical subterfuge" than the euphemism "statutory person."

Like Blackmun and his colleagues you're using lawyer-talk to dehumanize the child and leave them with absolutely no protection. That's the bottom line.

Fifty-four million and counting now...

235 posted on 06/14/2012 2:38:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance
It's hard for me to imagine a phrase that could be any more of a "rhetorical subterfuge" than the euphemism "statutory person."

You've got one kind of "person" that can only be biological person, and one that can be a person, corporation, city, or country. If that strains your comprehension then we're probably at the end of the discussion.

The laws come with their own definitions of the terms used that may not be the same as the definitions used outside of that context. If you change the definitions, you've effectively changed the law. If you're doing that then you're assuming the power that was granted to the legislature.

236 posted on 06/14/2012 3:24:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Sorry buddy. The Fourteenth Amendment isn’t talking about corporations. And that ain’t a little city in mama’s belly.


237 posted on 06/14/2012 3:52:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

What’s your followup plan for when you tell the USSC “there’s no such thing as a statutory person” and they rip you to shreds?


238 posted on 06/14/2012 3:56:08 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Trying to conflate corporate personhood with the natural rights of human beings, invididuals to live is ludicrous.


239 posted on 06/14/2012 3:59:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: tacticalogic

I never said there isn’t any such thing as a statutory person. That would be ridiculous. About as ridiculous as using it as euphemistic cover for the killing of innocent flesh and blood persons.


240 posted on 06/14/2012 4:03:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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