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Is President Obama Truly A Socialist?
Forbes ^ | 6/8/2012 | Paul Roderick Gregory

Posted on 06/08/2012 11:32:23 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Pew Research finds that sixty percent of Americans respond negatively to “socialism.” It is clear why President Barack Obama must avoid that label. Words are important. Political candidates who control the language of political discourse win elections.

Most of our elites would certainly not entertain the question: “Is Obama a socialist?” Only irresponsible fanatics carelessly throw around such epithets, they say. Polite circles ignore such goofiness.

As someone who has professionally studied and written about comparative economics, capitalism, and socialism for almost fifty years, the reticence to probe the core beliefs of a political leader seems odd. The question is perfectly legitimate in both an academic and political context as long as we define terms and place the discussion in proper context.

By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao, but whether Obama falls within the mainstream of contemporary socialism as represented, for example, by Germany’s Social Democrats, French Socialists, or Spain’s socialist-workers party?

By this criterion, yes, Obama is a socialist.

The socialist parties

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1 posted on 06/08/2012 11:32:30 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

no, no actually he is a dictatorial Communist


2 posted on 06/08/2012 11:33:01 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bruinbirdman

3 posted on 06/08/2012 11:39:37 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: bruinbirdman

I don’t know what Forbes is doing letting Paul Roderick Gregory spew his crap without rebut... but, it’s not a good thing for the mag.


4 posted on 06/08/2012 11:42:16 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: bruinbirdman
"As someone who has professionally studied and written about comparative economics, capitalism, and socialism for almost fifty years.. By 'socialist' I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao"

Maybe a few more years study is in order. Or the realization that your peak analytical years have passed.

Stupid PC tip toeing!


5 posted on 06/08/2012 11:43:39 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: bruinbirdman

“Just because his policies are socialist doesn’t mean he’s a socialist.” - Bill 0’Reilly


6 posted on 06/08/2012 11:50:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Please... “Socialist” is the polite word for “communist”.
The end game is exactly the same. Why bandy words?


7 posted on 06/09/2012 12:03:00 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bruinbirdman

No, he is more like a fascist. He controls the private economy by use of cronyism and select benefits to different groups and businesses.


8 posted on 06/09/2012 12:04:31 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: bruinbirdman
By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao,

A Marxist is a "Socialist" who uses force or revolution to reach the 5th and final stage in the "economic evolution" called Communism, or what Karl Marx called "dialectal materialism".

So the question is is Barack Hussein Obama a socialist where revolution is not essential to achieve the ideal?

The answer is an obvious yes. But only because Obama and his fellow travelers have not figured out a way to take the US by force to make it into a Communist state like Mao, Stalin, or Castro did to their countries. To recap, it is 'yes' to both questions that he is definitely a Socialist and a wanna be Communist dictator.

9 posted on 06/09/2012 12:04:49 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: bruinbirdman

Give that man a cigar. Great read. To bad it’s a horror story.


10 posted on 06/09/2012 12:10:00 AM PDT by Kudsman (The troubles begin and end with the "Progressives" -1010RD)
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Too, beu.


11 posted on 06/09/2012 12:11:02 AM PDT by Kudsman (The troubles begin and end with the "Progressives" -1010RD)
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To: bruinbirdman
Duh. Is Obama a socialist? Is the sky blue? Any doubters should thoroughly review BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and then see how they answer the question, "Is Obama a socialist?" Then ask them, "Now, can you really vote for Obama again?"
12 posted on 06/09/2012 12:23:35 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Strictly speaking, he is a state capitalist, which is to say, a national socialist with Islamic and racial manias..


13 posted on 06/09/2012 12:59:19 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Red Steel
he is definitely a Socialist and a wanna be Communist...

All we need to do is consider who he associates and obviously wants to emulate: Odinga (Kenya), Zelaya (Honduras), Chavez (Ven.). I'm sure there are others, but these three start showing a pattern of his role models...

What zer0's regime did with Zelaya and Honduras at the beginning of his term was despicable and VERY alarming of where he plans to go...

14 posted on 06/09/2012 1:15:50 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: bruinbirdman
http://web.archive.org/web/19970709035657/http://www.newparty.org/up9610.html

From Brietbart showing proof of O's membership in the now defunct New Party.

looks like a duck

talks like a duck

acts like a duck

its socialist/communist

15 posted on 06/09/2012 1:27:06 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: bruinbirdman

Socialist.
Marxist.
Radical.
Muslim.
Traitor.
Foreigner.
Apologist.
Narcissist.
Elitist.
Hypocrite.
Faggot.


16 posted on 06/09/2012 1:44:28 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Socialist.
Marxist.
Radical.
Muslim.
Traitor.
Foreigner.
Apologist.
Narcissist.
Elitist.
Hypocrite.
Faggot.

Praise the Lord I can still express an honest opinion of the leader of my nation. I think 50 years from now, writing such a post on a bulletin board will lead to jail time and a complete loss of the few remaining rights. In the meantime, I can call a spade a spade, and I am grateful for the ability to do so.

I also praise God I was not born much later when I would not have had free exercise of my rights. I violently grieve for future generations of oppressed Americans. They won’t know the tenth of the freedom I knew, as I don’t know the half of the freedom they had before the Civil War.


17 posted on 06/09/2012 1:47:10 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Agreed, he is more like Hitler and Mussulini, than a communist. But socialism, communism and fascism are all under the same premises. All left wing positions.

Blessings, Bobo.


18 posted on 06/09/2012 1:57:54 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: I see my hands

Well put!!!!


19 posted on 06/09/2012 3:46:48 AM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: bruinbirdman

The question is not: “Is Obama a socialist?”

The question is WHY is Obama a Socialist?


20 posted on 06/09/2012 3:49:07 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: bruinbirdman

21 posted on 06/09/2012 4:04:18 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: TigersEye

Florida Anchor Barbara West Responds to Controversial Biden Interview
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444507,00.html

WEST: You may recognize this famous quote: “From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs.” That’s from Karl Marx. How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?

BIDEN: Are you joking? Is this a joke?

WEST: No.

BIDEN: Or is that a real question?

WEST: That’s a question.

BIDEN: He is not spreading the wealth around. He’s talking about giving the middle class an opportunity to get back the tax breaks they used to have.

WEST: What do you say to the people who are concerned that Barack Obama will want to turn America into a Socialist country much like Sweden?

BIDEN: I don’t know anybody who thinks that, except the far right-wing of the Republican Party.


22 posted on 06/09/2012 4:22:51 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: bruinbirdman
Obama’s ideology is America Hater. Socialism, communism and fascism are mere vehicles to punish America. The ultimate punishment is to take this “sweet land of liberty” and turn it into a third world dung heap of warring factions more closely resembling Somalia than socialist Europe. Ant of the -isms will do as long as it delivers the goods.
23 posted on 06/09/2012 4:27:25 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: bruinbirdman
Obama’s ideology is America Hater. Socialism, communism and fascism are mere vehicles to punish America. The ultimate punishment is to take this “sweet land of liberty” and turn it into a third world dung heap of warring factions more closely resembling Somalia than socialist Europe. Any of the -isms will do as long as it delivers the goods.
24 posted on 06/09/2012 4:27:53 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Jim from C-Town

I’m with you. Obama is a fascist.


25 posted on 06/09/2012 4:32:40 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: bruinbirdman

“By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao”

The Obama would join that rank if he could.
Two things stop him: armed Americans, and his own wussiness.


26 posted on 06/09/2012 4:41:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: bruinbirdman

Fascist.


27 posted on 06/09/2012 4:41:44 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: yldstrk

... and follower of the FALSE prophet.

LLS


28 posted on 06/09/2012 4:45:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: bruinbirdman

No he is a Marxist Communist!


29 posted on 06/09/2012 5:11:25 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

You are correct. He postures as a Leninist, he governs - to abuse that word - as a syndicalist or fascist.


30 posted on 06/09/2012 5:18:00 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Precisely.


31 posted on 06/09/2012 5:19:57 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: yldstrk

“no, no actually he is a dictatorial Communist”

I think he’s actually a fascist. But it is sort of like debating the number of angels on the head of a pin.


32 posted on 06/09/2012 5:41:44 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: bruinbirdman

33 posted on 06/09/2012 5:50:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bruinbirdman

34 posted on 06/09/2012 5:54:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bruinbirdman

The fact that they are still asking this question is pretty pathetic.

His style of massive government, socialist marxist ties were well known prior to him winning the nomination.


35 posted on 06/09/2012 6:02:04 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Economic Fascist is the most accurate term.


36 posted on 06/09/2012 6:08:02 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Let’s add two more words here:

Statist and collectivist. These really accurately define the diseased thinking of Comrade Barry.


37 posted on 06/09/2012 6:15:26 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope they don't like it.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Once again it seems that the liberals are framing the argument.

Instead of debating ad nauseum what he "IS"- let's all agree on what he "ISN'T" -

Obama "ISN'T" a patriotic American! And he "ISN'T" good for America!

38 posted on 06/09/2012 6:16:19 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: yldstrk

Yep. This is the winning answer


39 posted on 06/09/2012 6:45:44 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: bruinbirdman

islamidemocommucrat


40 posted on 06/09/2012 7:03:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: bruinbirdman

“New Ground” is a publication of the Chicago chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), chicago DSA.

From New Ground 142
May — June, 2012

“Our mission is to establish democratic socialism as a political force in the United States and around the world by training and mobilizing socialist activists to participate in a vibrant and diverse socialist organization at both the local and the national level. DSA both educates the public about democratic socialist values and policies and builds progressive coalitions to win victories that move the U.S. and the world toward social democracy. In the near term, democratic socialists struggle for reforms that shift power and resources away from corporate elites and put them in the hands of ordinary citizens. In the long term, democratic socialists fight for a world in which all people share equally in the governing of the economic, political and cultural institutions and relationships that shape their lives.”

New Ground 47
July - August, 1996

“New Party Update
by Bruce Bentley

“The Chicago New Party is increasely becoming a viable political organization that can make a different in Chicago politics. It is crucial for a political organization to have a solid infrastructure and visible results in its political program. The New Party has continued to solidify this base.

First, in relation to its infrastructure, the NP’s membership has increased since January ‘95 from 225 to 440. National membership has increased from 5700 in December ‘95 to 7000. Currently the NP’s fiscal balance is $7,000 and receives an average of $450/month is sustainer donations.

Secondly, the NP’s ‘96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration. The lone loser was Willie Delgado, in the 3rd Illinois House District. Although Delgado received 45% of the vote, he lost by only 800 votes. Delgado commented that it was due to the NP volunteers that he carried the 32nd Ward. Delgado emphasized that he will remain a visible community activist in Humbolt Park. He will conduct four Immigration workshops and encouraged NP activists to get involved.”

http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng47.html
page down


41 posted on 06/09/2012 7:07:58 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Red Steel

I was reading about the Russian revolution the other night. The Bolsheviks used force and the Mensheviks were considered more moderate. When I read about the Mensheviks funny how the name Axelrod kept coming up. Coincidence?


42 posted on 06/09/2012 8:06:09 AM PDT by virgil
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To: bruinbirdman
He's not anything coherent.

What he is, is a drug-addled sodomite front man.

43 posted on 06/09/2012 8:47:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a "sarcasm" tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: Art in Idaho

I recently saw a bumper sticker near San Francisco — for Obama then, for obama now. No hope for some people!


44 posted on 06/10/2012 2:01:33 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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