Skip to comments.Obama warns on teacher layoffs
Posted on 06/09/2012 8:47:20 AM PDT by ColdOne
The $30 billion package to fill in the gaps left by slashed state education budgets failed to get a passing grade from Capitol Hill. And with summer vacation about to start across the country, a wave of teacher firings is expected to happen at a delicate moment for the recovery.
All across America tens of thousands of teachers are getting laid off, Obama warned in the address broadcast Saturday. In Pennsylvania alone, there are 9,000 fewer educators in our schools today than just a year ago. In Ohio, the number is close to 7,000. And nationwide, over the past three years, school districts have lost over 250,000 educators.
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We might have to *gasp* HOME SCHOOL (only the best educated and most measurably intelligent cohort).
The fewer socialists we have indoctrinating our children, the better the possible results.
We shouldn’t have teacher layoffs, just administrator layoffs. Each administrator costs 2x each teacher and produces nothing of value.
He takes 5 minutes off to deliver a threat to Congress, then it’s off to more fund raising, or golf...whichever comes first. What a work ethic.
Obama, you have spent your way into this.
These articles are free advertising for my tag.
It’s a lie to get us to allow a tax increase. Teachers are public employees and they have a massive union. They must be subject to layoffs just like “the people”.
It’s the spending stupid!
Delicate moment for the recovery? Why be delicate? The recovery, if there ever was one, is dead.
Here’s a though ... why not insist that for a school system to get Federal Funding, 80% of the employees must be classroom teachers (or in-class assistants), cooks, janitors, or bus-drivers. That’s still one admin employee for every 4 teachers. If we did this we could probably double the number of teachers AND spend less money.
Private sector managers understand that admin positions grow like weeds. They have to be cut out every once in a while. Governments are just not equipped to do this. It USED to happen because the money ran out ... then we learned we could just borrow to no end and avoid these tough calls ... so ... here we are.
I'm sure those numbers are easily verified (rolling eyes)
Above was SUPPOSE to say, “here’s a THOUGHT!”.
Above was SUPPOSED to say, “here’s a THOUGHT!”.
Maybe if pay and benes were brought into line w reality with exoconic conditions, there would not be the need for layoffs.
Or better yet, if the economy were doing fine as Obozo claims, tax recipets would be increasing to support the payroll.
Obama = FNG MORON
In my book, this day and age with administration-brain washed educators, this is a GOOD thing. The less your children are influenced by zealots the better.
Lemmings running off the cliff.
He throws numbers around like frisbees on a Malibu beach,with no concern for where they land. The 250K number in three years is 83K a year out of 2 million teachers. How many of those are retirees who were simply not replaced? In NYC there has been a quasi hiring freeze for the last three years, but no layoffs, though Bloomie keeps threatening. The schools lose 3 to 5 thousand teachers to retirement and resignations a year. Less than half are replaced.A retiree does not add to the unemployment numbers unless they do something like work at Barnes and Noble and cause a younger worker to be laid off. There are 23 million unemployed. Spending tax$$$ to keep 250K in their jobs,even if they all were actual lay offs,represents less than 1% of the unemployed. Not a lot of bang for the buck.
Who here on FR is old enough to remember the term: “Featherbedding” on the railroads???
IMO, teachers have been ‘feathbedding’ for years with complaining on the sizes of classes & they keep trying to convince parents today that if they have ‘only 20’ or ‘only 15’ or fewer kids in their classes, everything will be unicorns & rainbows.
I was raised in a small rural town.
We averaged 32-36 in our high school classes, and about the same in the 8th grade I attended. Prior to that, I was in a one room school with 14 kids, 8 grades & 1 teacher who had only 2 years of college.
I’ll put my fellow classmates up against any other school you can name, with their overall smarts & successes thru life.
Now that taxpayers & SOME politicians are getting the message that having tons of teachers in the schools doesn’t get your little Johnny or Susi a decent education. preparing them for adult life.
Get back to the basics-—
Toss out the teachers ‘union’-—
Teach kids about real life-—
Then we might have a chance to employ someone useful.
Since when did paying the salaries of California teachers become the business of the Federal Government? Each state has a system of education set up, correct? Then allow the states to maintain the education system within its state without Federal Government interference. Holy Crap the Federal Department of Education was set up under Jimmy Carter, not George Washington.
Stop forcing states to collect union dues for the teachers unions and no teacher layoffs will be required.
“We averaged 32-36 in our high school classes,”
Same here, but I went to an expensive, private, Prep School. Got a wonderful education! I was a “Dorm Rat.”
Want to break the union? Force them to pick the teachers laid off and then give them unemployment from the union fund.
Our district has threatened layoffs every year for 30 years...and yet every year they miraculously manage to balance the budget and escape layoffs. Very strange how that works. Snark...
Want to break the union? Force them to pick the teachers laid off.
Uh, huh. And what happens when that $$ runs out? Well, another bailout. And after that? Is the Federal Government going to permanently be in the business of funding state and local education? And who will pay the pensions for these excess teachers when they retire?
Obama, the jelly tossing champ.
Toss the “war on women” jelly. Splat. Nope, didn’t stick.
Toss the “vulture capitalist” jelly. Splat. Didn’t stick either.
Today let’s toss the “public teacher layoffs” jelly. Splat. Won’t stick.
We must have a teflon wall. What flavor of jelly is next?
They must be subject to layoffs just like the people.
They have been getting layoffs for years. They are talking about having only 1 Science a year to save money by getting rid of Science Teachers. That was on Fox News this very morning.
Didn’t he already toss the K-Y with Sandra Fluke?
Those leftist NEA hacks in Wis. ought to celebrate their Gov. Walker instead of trashing him unrighteously. All those teacher jobs saved without layoffs. Meanwhile in other Unionized LIEberal hades holes teachers aren’t safe from layoffs. Go figure-—never mind—DemRats dont use logic anyway.
Ohio, which defeated the Kasich reforms, reaping what it sowed. But hey, what about Wisconsin? Any layoffs there, Barkey? Why, I don't believe I have heard of any. Imagine that.
In CA the teacher’s union refuses to lower their pensions and other benefits, preferring threatening layoffs. So the stimulus money they rec’d and claimed it saved jobs actually preserved the pensions.
Actually, we need both teacher and administration layoffs. Teachers aren’t special and we have more than we need or can pay for.
The democrat party just lost 250,000 die hard voters and their union dues...
In Wisconsin the number of teachers hasn’t changed...except in those districts that rushed through their teacher contracts before the Governor’s reforms kicked in.
Math, History, Science and English are really all that is needed. Why not cut some of the sports events like field hockey and superfluous subjects kids do not really need such as Teen Living. How about some of the clubs? Like gay clubs or language clubs.
It would be insanity to even consider cutting any amount of science. The world is too full of idiots who cannot reason as it is.
Teachers will be fired... if taxes aren’t raised Obama?? Sorry... we homeschool
They don’t have to lay off teachers. They can peel off layers and layers of administration and special services uneducators.
Here’s just one exeucitive layer -special education - for the Boston Public schools system.
Teachers are incredibly expensive here in NJ; administrators are as well, but there are less of them and they aren’t unionized. Teachers have been granted compensation that there is no possible way to meet; such future costs make states uncompetitive because of that built-in burden (in much the same way retirees’ benefits killed Detroit - Japanese companies weren’t saddled with such costs).
Most tenured teachers don’t produce anything of value, either; our students are not very educated.
Teachers don’t just have a massive union; they have their own political party. The “Democratic Party” is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the teachers’ unions, and Obama advocating for them while their employers (the American people) are being ground up by this economy is all the proof that you need.
Governor Walker’s recall issue did what Governor Christie did for NJ; it alerted people to just how much teachers were earning, and how much they would continue to earn when they retired. The unions were stupid to pick the fights with both of those governors; while the teachers’ unions’ media tried to muddy the issue by mentioning “unions” without “public sector” preceding it, it didn’t fool the private sector union members (many of whom supported Walker in the recall vote).
Here in NJ many non-teachers were already let go (because they weren’t unionized or tenured); after they went through them it was the turn of the cops & firemen (weaker unions, I guess). Schools are sharing nurses and such.
The problem is that we now have a 2% property tax cap (that is how our teachers are paid), so when they get a 4% raise other municipal workers lose their jobs. We’ve cut the “fat” here, and the homeowners still can’t afford the public school system, so it is time to cut more teachers.
Here in NJ the big scam is bilingual education; it basically doubles the number of employees for each grade (not just teachers, but “teacher assistantss”). WTH is a teacher assistant? I always had one teacher, regardless of class size.
Special education requires a teacher's aide. If you have special ed students mainstreamed into that classroom, then there will be an aide at least part of the time. Of course, it's discriminatory if you know which student(s) they are supposed to be working with.
I understand in the context of special education; I believe here in NJ most classrooms have a teacher assistant.
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