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Obama warns on teacher layoffs
Politico44 ^ | 6/9/12 | JOSH BOAK

Posted on 06/09/2012 8:47:20 AM PDT by ColdOne

The $30 billion package to fill in the gaps left by slashed state education budgets failed to get a passing grade from Capitol Hill. And with summer vacation about to start across the country, a wave of teacher firings is expected to happen at a delicate moment for the recovery.

“All across America – tens of thousands of teachers are getting laid off,” Obama warned in the address broadcast Saturday. “In Pennsylvania alone, there are 9,000 fewer educators in our schools today than just a year ago. In Ohio, the number is close to 7,000. And nationwide, over the past three years, school districts have lost over 250,000 educators.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; obama

1 posted on 06/09/2012 8:47:26 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

We might have to *gasp* HOME SCHOOL (only the best educated and most measurably intelligent cohort).

The fewer socialists we have indoctrinating our children, the better the possible results.


2 posted on 06/09/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: ColdOne

We shouldn’t have teacher layoffs, just administrator layoffs. Each administrator costs 2x each teacher and produces nothing of value.


3 posted on 06/09/2012 8:54:47 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: ColdOne

He takes 5 minutes off to deliver a threat to Congress, then it’s off to more fund raising, or golf...whichever comes first. What a work ethic.


4 posted on 06/09/2012 8:54:59 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: ColdOne

Obama, you have spent your way into this.

FU


5 posted on 06/09/2012 8:56:12 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: ColdOne

These articles are free advertising for my tag.


6 posted on 06/09/2012 8:57:35 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: ColdOne

It’s a lie to get us to allow a tax increase. Teachers are public employees and they have a massive union. They must be subject to layoffs just like “the people”.


7 posted on 06/09/2012 8:58:07 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama's favorite tactic is scapegoating successful Americans.)
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To: ColdOne

It’s the spending stupid!


8 posted on 06/09/2012 8:58:10 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: ColdOne
The case needs to be made that we cannot continue to "federalize" the teaching workforce through these annual stipends to the states. Look to the Wisconsin model for how states can dig themselves out of the holes they have dug. (OK, that violates the first rule of holes but you know what I mean)
9 posted on 06/09/2012 8:59:53 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (I can see November from Wisconsin)
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To: ColdOne
And with summer vacation about to start across the country, a wave of teacher firings is expected to happen at a delicate moment for the recovery.

Delicate moment for the recovery? Why be delicate? The recovery, if there ever was one, is dead.

10 posted on 06/09/2012 9:00:43 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: tbw2

Here’s a though ... why not insist that for a school system to get Federal Funding, 80% of the employees must be classroom teachers (or in-class assistants), cooks, janitors, or bus-drivers. That’s still one admin employee for every 4 teachers. If we did this we could probably double the number of teachers AND spend less money.

Private sector managers understand that admin positions grow like weeds. They have to be cut out every once in a while. Governments are just not equipped to do this. It USED to happen because the money ran out ... then we learned we could just borrow to no end and avoid these tough calls ... so ... here we are.


11 posted on 06/09/2012 9:03:52 AM PDT by shreve884
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To: ColdOne
In Pennsylvania alone, there are 9,000 fewer educators in our schools today than just a year ago. In Ohio, the number is close to 7,000

I'm sure those numbers are easily verified (rolling eyes)

12 posted on 06/09/2012 9:04:30 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: shreve884

Above was SUPPOSE to say, “here’s a THOUGHT!”.


13 posted on 06/09/2012 9:04:45 AM PDT by shreve884
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To: shreve884

Above was SUPPOSED to say, “here’s a THOUGHT!”.


14 posted on 06/09/2012 9:05:10 AM PDT by shreve884
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To: ColdOne

Maybe if pay and benes were brought into line w reality with exoconic conditions, there would not be the need for layoffs.

Or better yet, if the economy were doing fine as Obozo claims, tax recipets would be increasing to support the payroll.

Obama = FNG MORON


15 posted on 06/09/2012 9:06:55 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: ColdOne

In my book, this day and age with administration-brain washed educators, this is a GOOD thing. The less your children are influenced by zealots the better.


16 posted on 06/09/2012 9:10:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GlockThe Vote

Lemmings running off the cliff.


17 posted on 06/09/2012 9:16:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: ColdOne
“All across America – tens of thousands of teachers are getting laid off,” Obama warned in the address broadcast Saturday

Well DUH - most teachers are out of a job in the SUMMER.
18 posted on 06/09/2012 9:16:57 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ColdOne

He throws numbers around like frisbees on a Malibu beach,with no concern for where they land. The 250K number in three years is 83K a year out of 2 million teachers. How many of those are retirees who were simply not replaced? In NYC there has been a quasi hiring freeze for the last three years, but no layoffs, though Bloomie keeps threatening. The schools lose 3 to 5 thousand teachers to retirement and resignations a year. Less than half are replaced.A retiree does not add to the unemployment numbers unless they do something like work at Barnes and Noble and cause a younger worker to be laid off. There are 23 million unemployed. Spending tax$$$ to keep 250K in their jobs,even if they all were actual lay offs,represents less than 1% of the unemployed. Not a lot of bang for the buck.


19 posted on 06/09/2012 9:21:23 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: ColdOne

Who here on FR is old enough to remember the term: “Featherbedding” on the railroads???

IMO, teachers have been ‘feathbedding’ for years with complaining on the sizes of classes & they keep trying to convince parents today that if they have ‘only 20’ or ‘only 15’ or fewer kids in their classes, everything will be unicorns & rainbows.

I was raised in a small rural town.

We averaged 32-36 in our high school classes, and about the same in the 8th grade I attended. Prior to that, I was in a one room school with 14 kids, 8 grades & 1 teacher who had only 2 years of college.

I’ll put my fellow classmates up against any other school you can name, with their overall smarts & successes thru life.

Now that taxpayers & SOME politicians are getting the message that having tons of teachers in the schools doesn’t get your little Johnny or Susi a decent education. preparing them for adult life.

Get back to the basics-—
Toss out the teachers ‘union’-—
Teach kids about real life-—

Then we might have a chance to employ someone useful.


20 posted on 06/09/2012 9:22:25 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ColdOne

Since when did paying the salaries of California teachers become the business of the Federal Government? Each state has a system of education set up, correct? Then allow the states to maintain the education system within its state without Federal Government interference. Holy Crap the Federal Department of Education was set up under Jimmy Carter, not George Washington.


21 posted on 06/09/2012 9:23:49 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: ColdOne

Stop forcing states to collect union dues for the teachers unions and no teacher layoffs will be required.


22 posted on 06/09/2012 9:31:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a "sarcasm" tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: ridesthemiles

“We averaged 32-36 in our high school classes,”

Same here, but I went to an expensive, private, Prep School. Got a wonderful education! I was a “Dorm Rat.”


23 posted on 06/09/2012 9:40:00 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Rapscallion

Want to break the union? Force them to pick the teachers laid off and then give them unemployment from the union fund.


24 posted on 06/09/2012 9:42:23 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: ColdOne

Our district has threatened layoffs every year for 30 years...and yet every year they miraculously manage to balance the budget and escape layoffs. Very strange how that works. Snark...


25 posted on 06/09/2012 9:51:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Want to break the union? Force them to pick the teachers laid off.


They do: its call seniority.


26 posted on 06/09/2012 9:53:12 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ColdOne

Uh, huh. And what happens when that $$ runs out? Well, another bailout. And after that? Is the Federal Government going to permanently be in the business of funding state and local education? And who will pay the pensions for these excess teachers when they retire?


27 posted on 06/09/2012 9:55:43 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ColdOne
tens of thousands of teachers baby sitters are getting laid off

Fixed it.

28 posted on 06/09/2012 9:56:39 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ColdOne

Obama, the jelly tossing champ.

Toss the “war on women” jelly. Splat. Nope, didn’t stick.
Toss the “vulture capitalist” jelly. Splat. Didn’t stick either.
Today let’s toss the “public teacher layoffs” jelly. Splat. Won’t stick.

We must have a teflon wall. What flavor of jelly is next?


29 posted on 06/09/2012 10:01:12 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
What flavor of jelly is next?

K-Y.

30 posted on 06/09/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: Rapscallion

They must be subject to layoffs just like “the people”.

They have been getting layoffs for years. They are talking about having only 1 Science a year to save money by getting rid of Science Teachers. That was on Fox News this very morning.


31 posted on 06/09/2012 10:06:42 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Publius

Didn’t he already toss the K-Y with Sandra Fluke?


32 posted on 06/09/2012 10:22:15 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ColdOne

Those leftist NEA hacks in Wis. ought to celebrate their Gov. Walker instead of trashing him unrighteously. All those teacher jobs saved without layoffs. Meanwhile in other Unionized LIEberal hades holes teachers aren’t safe from layoffs. Go figure-—never mind—DemRats dont use logic anyway.


33 posted on 06/09/2012 10:36:26 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: ColdOne
In Ohio, the number is close to 7,000

Ohio, which defeated the Kasich reforms, reaping what it sowed. But hey, what about Wisconsin? Any layoffs there, Barkey? Why, I don't believe I have heard of any. Imagine that.

34 posted on 06/09/2012 10:37:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rapscallion

In CA the teacher’s union refuses to lower their pensions and other benefits, preferring threatening layoffs. So the stimulus money they rec’d and claimed it saved jobs actually preserved the pensions.


35 posted on 06/09/2012 10:40:48 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: tbw2

Actually, we need both teacher and administration layoffs. Teachers aren’t special and we have more than we need or can pay for.


36 posted on 06/09/2012 10:48:55 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: ColdOne
school districts have lost over 250,000 educator

The democrat party just lost 250,000 die hard voters and their union dues...

37 posted on 06/09/2012 10:51:18 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ColdOne

In Wisconsin the number of teachers hasn’t changed...except in those districts that rushed through their teacher contracts before the Governor’s reforms kicked in.


38 posted on 06/09/2012 11:02:03 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: ColdOne

Good.


39 posted on 06/09/2012 11:05:15 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: napscoordinator

Math, History, Science and English are really all that is needed. Why not cut some of the sports events like field hockey and superfluous subjects kids do not really need such as Teen Living. How about some of the clubs? Like gay clubs or language clubs.

It would be insanity to even consider cutting any amount of science. The world is too full of idiots who cannot reason as it is.


40 posted on 06/09/2012 12:01:58 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: ColdOne

Teachers will be fired... if taxes aren’t raised Obama?? Sorry... we homeschool


41 posted on 06/09/2012 12:13:20 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: ColdOne

They don’t have to lay off teachers. They can peel off layers and layers of administration and special services uneducators.

Here’s just one exeucitive layer -special education - for the Boston Public schools system.

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/department/special-education-and-student-services


42 posted on 06/09/2012 7:23:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: tbw2

Teachers are incredibly expensive here in NJ; administrators are as well, but there are less of them and they aren’t unionized. Teachers have been granted compensation that there is no possible way to meet; such future costs make states uncompetitive because of that built-in burden (in much the same way retirees’ benefits killed Detroit - Japanese companies weren’t saddled with such costs).

Most tenured teachers don’t produce anything of value, either; our students are not very educated.


43 posted on 06/10/2012 2:48:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Rapscallion

Teachers don’t just have a massive union; they have their own political party. The “Democratic Party” is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the teachers’ unions, and Obama advocating for them while their employers (the American people) are being ground up by this economy is all the proof that you need.

Governor Walker’s recall issue did what Governor Christie did for NJ; it alerted people to just how much teachers were earning, and how much they would continue to earn when they retired. The unions were stupid to pick the fights with both of those governors; while the teachers’ unions’ media tried to muddy the issue by mentioning “unions” without “public sector” preceding it, it didn’t fool the private sector union members (many of whom supported Walker in the recall vote).


44 posted on 06/10/2012 2:53:03 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: shreve884

Here in NJ many non-teachers were already let go (because they weren’t unionized or tenured); after they went through them it was the turn of the cops & firemen (weaker unions, I guess). Schools are sharing nurses and such.

The problem is that we now have a 2% property tax cap (that is how our teachers are paid), so when they get a 4% raise other municipal workers lose their jobs. We’ve cut the “fat” here, and the homeowners still can’t afford the public school system, so it is time to cut more teachers.


45 posted on 06/10/2012 2:57:42 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: SaraJohnson

Here in NJ the big scam is bilingual education; it basically doubles the number of employees for each grade (not just teachers, but “teacher assistantss”). WTH is a teacher assistant? I always had one teacher, regardless of class size.


46 posted on 06/10/2012 3:03:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
WTH is a teacher assistant? I always had one teacher, regardless of class size.

Special education requires a teacher's aide. If you have special ed students mainstreamed into that classroom, then there will be an aide at least part of the time. Of course, it's discriminatory if you know which student(s) they are supposed to be working with.

47 posted on 06/10/2012 3:14:05 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

I understand in the context of special education; I believe here in NJ most classrooms have a teacher assistant.


48 posted on 06/10/2012 3:20:13 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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