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Undocumented immigrants fight for lifesaving liver transplants
Chicago Tribune ^ | June 11, 2012 | Jeff Danna

Posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Brothers Elfego and Lorenzo Arroyo each suffers from a deadly liver disease. But despite the urgency of their situation, the Chicago residents have struggled to receive organ transplants.

The Arroyo brothers are undocumented immigrants and lack insurance, friends and relatives say. Like others in their situation, they have been denied care that could increase their chances of survival due to their residency status.

"We know there are thousands of Latinos and (non-)Latinos with no documents who are facing the same situation," Rev. Jose Landaverde said Monday during a news conference at Our Lady of Guadalupe Angelican Catholic Mission in Chicago's Little Village neighborhood.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; healthcare; illegal; immigration; transplant
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I read that Mexico has national public health care for a few hundred dollars a year and there are no limits and no rules re: pre-existing conditions.Surely supporters can afford a few hundred dollars a year for Mexican health care and to my mind have a moral responsibility to pay it.
1 posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:41 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
"Undocumented Immigrants" = Illegal aliens.

They should return to their home country to get on THAT "life saving liver transplant" waiting list.

2 posted on 06/11/2012 8:50:51 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Send them back where they came from, let the socialist in their own country take care of them.

Undocumented = Illegal = Criminal.

If I were really feeling intolerant I might suggest rounding them up for the harvest, Organ Harvest that is! ;-)
Plenty of Americans suffering from a shortage of donor organs.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 8:51:07 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: moonshinner_09
This is just insulting. Why? Why should I give them anything?

I think this is meant to be a sob story that garners sympathy for the plight of people who are "undocumented". But it just infuriates me and makes me want to deport every single one of the SOBs. I see them as an invading army which fights to conquer this nation without actually wearing a military uniform. Such people, under the Geneva Convention, do not deserve kind treatment.

4 posted on 06/11/2012 8:52:22 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: moonshinner_09

sick? Needs a liver? Here illegally?

(start cold hearted SOB)

stabilize him... Ship back to home country to deal with.

(end cold hearted SOB)

Hey.. I didn’t say let him die in the streets.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 8:52:51 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: moonshinner_09

I am sorry they are sick. To solve the problem go back to their home country and take advantage of their free health care.


6 posted on 06/11/2012 8:53:52 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Loyal Sedition

equals dead americans equals deal legal residents.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 8:55:11 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: moonshinner_09

Wiki on the clergy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_S._Landaverde


8 posted on 06/11/2012 8:58:47 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: moonshinner_09

One word -—— China.


9 posted on 06/11/2012 9:04:31 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: moonshinner_09

I am ambivalent on the matter. On the one hand, I wish they could get the transplants. On the other, it would be grossly unfair and a miscarriage of justice for them to get ahead of legal residents on the waiting list.


10 posted on 06/11/2012 9:05:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: moonshinner_09; Jane Long; Loyal Sedition; ClearCase_guy; cableguymn; svcw; longtermmemmory; ...

I have an idea!!

11 posted on 06/11/2012 9:09:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like it! Ship the hosers up to the Great White North, eh?


12 posted on 06/11/2012 9:16:35 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: moonshinner_09

How dare their native homelands deny them basic coverage in their Socialist utopian hellholes.

But it sounds like this is Boosh’s fault.


13 posted on 06/11/2012 9:17:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: moonshinner_09

They think it is free, and they deserve it. It’s not free: the average cost is over half a million dollars for a liver transplant. The fact that an American citizen or legal immigrant who has insurance loses that liver is another issue. With a limited supply of health care resources, the system of prioritizing who gets what will get more contentious.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 9:23:06 PM PDT by vicdoc
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To: moonshinner_09

Indeed. Mexico has socialized medicine. If that’s where they illegally migrated from, why not go home for treatment?


15 posted on 06/11/2012 9:38:09 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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To: moonshinner_09
Oh goodness - their plight is that they are just missing their documents! Incredulous, just unbelievable how the state run media can tug at a generous person's heart strings (violin here).

There will be a national illegal alien sob story daily between now and the Nov 6 election. The WH wants this subject to be front and center. Check out this writeup

The Second Term
What would Obama do if reëlected?
by Ryan Lizza, New Yorker (spent time behind enemy lines)


I can just hear bozo the clown strategizing - "Give me four more and I will make sure you are all granted amnesty, if you promise to vote RAT party after you become citizens."

Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty
“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’

5/18/07 - - If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”


Ref the "Swimmer's" quote - 3 million took advantage of the Simpson/Mazzoli Act, the border has NEVER been secured, and Simpson/Mazzoli was NOT the last amnesty brought to America - there have been SIX more amnesties since Simpson/Mazzoli
The Amnesty of 1994
The Extension Amnesty of 1997
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty of 1997
The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998
The Late Amnesty of 2000
The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000

NEVER EVER TRUST ANYONE WITH A "D" BEHIND THEIR NAME. I would make a bet the number of illegal aliens on our soil today is closer to 30 million but no one has a clue on how to estimate the number.
16 posted on 06/11/2012 9:46:53 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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Yeah, I was gonna ask "Who pays for all these goodies?" And while I know that some people get liver disease without being drinkers and/or drug abusers, a good many of them have definitely contributed to their own health problems.

Yes, David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young got a liver transplant, possibly jumping ahead of others in line to get it, and I know it gave him a "new lease on life," albeit he will have to be on immune-suppressant drugs for the rest of his life.

But why did Mr. Crosby need a liver transplant in the first place? In large part because of his lifestyle of boozing and drug-taking, which is hard on your body.

You would think that the recipients of such expensive treatment ought to pay at least a part of the cost of that treatment (or perhaps take up a collection for voluntary donations). It certainly does not come for free, even if the family of the organ donor isn't allowed to receive compensation.

Frankly, I'm going to try to live a clean enough life that I can avoid having to get on a transplant list. IMO it's kind of a Faustian bargain anyway, because even if you are lucky enough to get a needed organ, you must thereafter stay on immune-suppressant drugs to reduce the chance of your body rejecting the transplanted organ. Many of these people are in and out of the hospital for the rest of their lives on a regular basis, for however long that is. I for one don't have that kind of money, nor do I wish to become that familiar with hospitals.

17 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:10 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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Yeah, I was gonna ask "Who pays for all these goodies?" And while I know that some people get liver disease without being drinkers and/or drug abusers, a good many of them have definitely contributed to their own health problems.

Yes, David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young got a liver transplant, possibly jumping ahead of others in line to get it, and I know it gave him a "new lease on life," albeit he will have to be on immune-suppressant drugs for the rest of his life.

But why did Mr. Crosby need a liver transplant in the first place? In large part because of his lifestyle of boozing and drug-taking, which is hard on your body.

You would think that the recipients of such expensive treatment ought to pay at least a part of the cost of that treatment (or perhaps take up a collection for voluntary donations). It certainly does not come for free, even if the family of the organ donor isn't allowed to receive compensation.

Frankly, I'm going to try to live a clean enough life that I can avoid having to get on a transplant list. IMO it's kind of a Faustian bargain anyway, because even if you are lucky enough to get a needed organ, you must thereafter stay on immune-suppressant drugs to reduce the chance of your body rejecting the transplanted organ. Many of these people are in and out of the hospital for the rest of their lives on a regular basis, for however long that is. I for one don't have that kind of money, nor do I wish to become that familiar with hospitals.

18 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:20 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Jane Long

Hey, no problem. Hop back over the border, third Maytag box on the left. Pedro’s All Night Bar, Grill and Transplant Shop.

Ask for the clean surgical instruments. A few pesos more, but worth it. If he’s out of livers, I recommend the spleen.


19 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:46 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: moonshinner_09

The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 9:56:51 PM PDT by Boogieman
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