Posted on 06/11/2012 9:46:53 PM PDT by what's up
Mitt Romney plans to shed the government’s stake in General Motors if he wins the presidency, even if it means taking a loss, the presumptive GOP nominee told the Detroit News.
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GM should be broken up.
This is going to be interesting to watch.
Thanks, what’s up.
Why not just “GET GOVT OUT OF THE WAY” and let them Rise or Fall on their own and HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE for the $ they owe... They have assets
At least Romney knows how to take a failing Company over.
If we can teach him Conservatism on the way it would be a win win
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Government has NO BUSINESS running a Private Enterprise.
They have even LESS business running that free enterprise as a way to boost the numbers and propaganda of the rulers, in a FREE society.
GM should be left alone, no government involvement, and let the market decide.
“Too Big to Fail” to me means it should be broken up.
By the big government standard, and given the Dept of Energy’s wasted spending, $16 billion is a drop in the bucket if it gets the feds out and GM has to live or die on it’s own.
We can always just list the taxpayers as a creditor and get it back over time or let GM go under.
The best thing the feds can do to help the auto industry is to DUMP the CAFE standards, tell the UAW to get F’ing off, and let them make the cars people want or go out of business.
At least Romney knows how to take a failing Company over.
If we can teach him Conservatism on the way it would be a win win
You agree that he’s doing something conservative and then hope to teach him conservative things.
He’s on the right track here, imo. Shows signs of good old fashoned American business sense.
I wonder if there would be any further plans to make whole the GM bondholders who got royally scrood as a result of team obama ‘saving’ GM.
GM’s stock is currently owned by:
1) The US Government
2) Saudi Arabioa
3) Red China
Those three own well something like 60% or more of the stock.
The so called public offering did not pay the taxpayer back and we are still left something like 16 billion dollars behind in the equation.
All of Obama’s and Biden’s talk about GM lives is just a sham. It lives because the US taxpayers are on the lamb, and because Obama allowed what could be sold off to be sold to nations who definitely do not have the US or its citizens best interest in mind.
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Good- pass/fail, let the chips fall. Maybe some outfit with a modicum of brains will scoop it up at a bargain and make it work, as should have occurred firstly.
Exactly! Chop it up and sell it to Ford!
Come on, get the facts straight. GM ownership is as follows:
61% US Government
17.5% UAW
11.7% Canadian Government
9.8% Bondholders from the old company
Yep.
My bad.
The 61% US Government holding is now down to 33%
28% was sold to the public as an IPO.
Thanks GM dude for the private message.
The government resold GM stock at 10 dollars less a share after they took over and called that a ‘success’. Good for Romney.
I agree the government should get out of GM, but why lose the $16 billion. Why can’t GM just buy back those shares over the next 10 - 15 years?
The proceeds should be given to the bond holders that were screwed over by Zero.
If Romnets elected, I would short GM stock
Yep.
It doesn’t matter, the fact is the Chrysler bailout set the precedent that the government was now expected to save companies, and decide the winners and losers in the marketplace.
The mechanism for "bailing-out" was a loan guarantee.
Chrysler paid back the banks without the government (i.e., taxpayers) ever having to pony up a penny.
I believe those figures were before the IPO.
Here is the current opwnership:
GM Ownership
http://www.gminthemedia.com/2012/03/21/who-owns-gm-stock/
The US, after the IPO now is at 32%...some quore as low as 26%.
Saudi and China are in that 44.9% individual and institutional owners.
But their numbers are way down from when the IPO was let. The stock has lost something like 25% or more since then and I believe they have been dumping it. However, one Saudi Prince alone still owns 1% of the stock by his lonmesome, Prince Walid bin Talal, who bought 500 million in shares during the IPO and has held onto it.
YThese days it is exceedingly difficult to find out exactly how much Saaudi Arabia and China own.
I believe those figures were before the IPO.
Here is the current opwnership:
GM Ownership
http://www.gminthemedia.com/2012/03/21/who-owns-gm-stock/
The US, after the IPO now is at 32%...some quote as low as 26%.
Saudi and China are in that 44.9% individual and institutional owners.
But their numbers are way down from when the IPO was let. The stock has lost something like 25% or more since then and I believe they have been dumping it. However, one Saudi Prince alone still owns 1% of the stock by his lonmesome, Prince Walid bin Talal, who bought 500 million in shares during the IPO and has held onto it.
These days it is exceedingly difficult to find out exactly how much Saaudi Arabia and China own.
At the time, Chrysler was a critical defense contractor. They were our only manufacturer of main battle tanks, among other things. The ‘bailout’ was in loan guarantees so the taxpayer didn’t have to pay anything out, Chrysler presented a viable recovery plan - and most important, as part of the bailout agreement, Chrysler had to sell off all of their defense industries so that if the plan failed the country wouldn’t lose a critical defense supply.
Just a start, how about in the same week shed AMTRAK, Fannie and Freddie and any other GSE that we don't need.
How is this playing in Michigan? I’m thinking Romney might carry The Wolverine State. Whaddya think FReepers?
Personally, I think Romney's plan of disentangling the government from GM presents the best possibility for this company to actually have a chance to recover. If I were running GM, I would pick the best few products I had, push the unions extremely hard, and market the company and its products as ‘Private and Free in America’.
A pledge of one's credit is has tangible value. If you co-sign an auto loan for your son, he can borrow on more favorable terms. If the government co-signs, (at least back in the 70's) more favorable still. But when you co-sign, it impairs your credit rating and you must make future loans on less favorable terms.
“Mitt Romney plans to shed the government’s stake in General Motors if he wins the presidency, even if it means taking a loss,”
Spoken like a good liberal. What is wrong with disposing of the stock at cost, or even a profit.
Personally I’ll never buy another GM product.
DO NOT DRINK THE GOP KOOLAIDE or the Dem Koolaide is all I can say. I will NOT vote for him, as I don't drink either parties Koolaide
The loss already exists. It’s just a matter of recognizing that fact.
Because you can’t. You invested in a losing stock and when you sell the stock you take the loss. It’s called the free market and Romney is right, get out of the market.
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As much as I would agree with you there are many companies which cannot, cannot be sold off.
Cannot be.
We’ve already started selling off our critical stake.
It is time for that to stop. Long time past time, in fact.
It is time to start getting them back.
Does anyone here know if there are any lawsuits pending against the government by GM bondholders who were screwed out of their property by the illegal actions of Zero and his henchmen?
Well, that certainly is the MAIN reason we have a federal government. But there are a few other powers enumerated in the Constitution: a common currency, the post office (ironically enough), regulate interstate commerce--which has been badly abused but which can serve a legitimate purpose (e.g., I don't mind that the FDA makes sure preescription drugs sold nationally are safe).
But the point here of course is that there should be no "Government Motors." Romney is right on this.
1) In the chart, Government Motors papers over (hides) the fact the original GM bondholders were robbed when their ownership was forcibly taken from them and handed to the UAW by Obama. Their only crime was investing their own savings in the company. The UAW was primarily responsible for causing GM to fail. Calling the UAW an “institutional investor” is a joke. They were given ownership by Obama.
2) Now the UAW is getting huge bonuses while the taxpayers are taking it up the *ss.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/02/uaw-profit-sharing-bonuses-enough-to-buy-two-tatas/
The UAW is sure to funnel the ill-gotten money back into the Obama campaign so they can continue the criminal enterprise.
To me, this is the real story that no one is reporting on.
Amen to every bit of that. What Obama did with GM is a classic Marxist action. He is destroying the free market. Taking advantage of the finanical difficulty to stick it to the true investors. Paying off his cronies, and using class warfare and redistribution all in one sickening act.
A Pox on the man and all who hold and push his anti-American and destructive views.
God grant that we can remove him in Novemebr...and not just in a close vote (though I will take any win) but hopefully in a Mondal type route that associates his name forever with failure, anti-Americanism, and destructive policies...so that in the political world, “Obama” becomes a pariah.
As in, “...be careful, or you will pull an, “Obama.” Or, “your policies are laying another “Obama,” on this nation,” or, “what are you thinking? you friggin “Onama.”
That’s the legacy and epitath this incidividual deserves at the least.
If the truth were ever really known, he should spend a good 20-30 in the Federal Grey Rock Hotel.
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No argument.
But I was responding to a question whether the Chrysler bail-out had cost the taxpayeres any money.
The answer is: none at all.
Should be named La Dee Da
There are certain products which cannot be exported for national security reasons. Companies could be designated the same.
The problem is not the laws so much as it is dishonest and unpatriotic people. Bill Clinton sold an entire airplane manufacturing plant, a property of the defunct McDonnald Douglas Co., to China for $5 million. The plant was easily worth several hundred million. It also had critcal airframe bending and shaping equipmrnt necessary for airplane manufacturing. That itself was worth much more than the $5 mil.
Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal and allowed China to control both ends of it. Jimmy Carter also cut our Navy in half. Later Clinton halved it again and recently Obama has again cut it to less than 300 ships total. This is at a time when China is rapidly expanding their navy.
As I said, honesty and patriotism are the keys and we have consistently elected the opposite.
Regardless of whether you guarantee a loan or make a loan, you are loaning money and paying interest on it. Same for the taxpayers.
If, at the time, we were talking about the balance sheet at GM or AT&T, I'd agree with you. The guarantee would've constrained corporate finances...just a little bit.
But we're talking about the federal government's balance sheet here. If the procedure cost any individual taxpayer as much as a penny, I'd be shocked.
Understanding that neither of us can prove it, one way or the other.
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