Skip to comments.Editorial: Vote ‘yes’ to retire UND logo (Fighting Sioux)
Posted on 06/12/2012 8:40:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
All the arguments have been heard. The debate, which has raged for years, comes down to Tuesdays vote on Measure 4 whether to retire the University of North Dakotas Fighting Sioux logo and nickname. North Dakotans who understand the greatness of a university is not defined by flawed imagery should vote yes. North Dakotans who understand that UND has been hurt by the nickname flap and will be further damaged if the debate drags on should vote yes.
It really is that simple. The questions every voter should ask: Is the future of the university more important than making a quixotic statement about facing down the NCAA? Is protecting and enhancing the athletic and academic status of UND more important than an obviously selfish personal agenda (They cant take my logo away)? Is maintaining the best possible Division I sports and classroom experiences for student/athletes more important than proving a moot point (masquerading as standing on principle)?
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At the time, I thought him a little bit extreme, but have now come to the conclusion he is right.
The Forum seems to embrace every big government and politically correct fad which comes along.
This is a stupid editorial. There is not a word about how the nearest Sioux tribe to UND loves the nickname and wears the school colors with pride. There is not even a word about how the biggest Sioux tribe on the opposite end of the state voted their entire tribal leadership out of office for opposing the use of the nickname. And that opposition wasn't based on any real or imagined offense, just an inability to shake down UND for enough free stuff in return for their support.
Exactly how is standing up to the NCAA political correctness nazis going to hurt the opportunities for UND graduates?
White libs could care very little for the Indians, they are but a prop in their one upmanship game against other whites, in the end they are nihilists as are all other human perfectionists (humans always fail them).
I think in 2012 (except for the usual poverty/plantation/reservation crowd) most of our Native American Indians are more conservative than liberal.
If I were a citizen of North Dakota I would vote NO.Why on earth would the people of North Dakota want to deny a part of their history.
Just because some east or west coast P.C. Clowns don’t like their nickname.Vote NO and tell them to stuff it where the sun won’t shine.
I deal wirh licensed collegiate logowear, and all I can sy is, it’s very popular. Orders have been trmendous ahead of a feared move away from Fighting Sioux.
Anyone with any degree of intelligence understands that the nickname, “Fighting Souix” is viewed by the majority of the Souix Nation as complimentary and not as a put down. Liberalism is a mental illness. I almost wish that my wife and I were back in N. Dak. so that we could vote against this stupidity.
I say an earlier reply to a similar post on this, so I am stealing part of the reply, New Name:
Good. I didn't have to post it.
It looks to be a complimentary depiction.
So is Florida State next? Seminoles. PC in this country is OUT OF CONTROL. Whoever started this crap needs a big kick in the azz!
I went to a school whose nickname was The Trojans
Every year you could see signs saying “Be a Trojan” plastered all over the school which very quickly had the ‘B’ covered up with a ‘US’
...to change it to “Use a Trojan”
I don't think you will see the NCAA weenies ever challenge Florida or Utah as a result.
“The Seminoles and Utes had the foresight from the get-go to approach the NCAA PC nazis on their own and threaten big time legal action if their mascots were ever messed with.”
I just really wish the University of Illinois had such foresight. Unfortunately, there are apparently no survivors from the Illini tribe — we can’t even ask for permission anymore. Chief Illiniwek was always portrayed with dignity.
Nothing is more idiotic than the going assumption, in the media and academia, that it is offensive for people to take pride in their heritage, ethnicity, community or family. To their credit, most American Indian tribes seem to do a better job of resisting the insanity labelled "political correctness," than do most White Americans.
This idiotic agitation--taken up as a "cause," by those who seek to dictate to Universities that wish to participate in interscholastic sport--demonstrates not any actual principle, but a craven suppliant acceptance of a contrived agitation.
What is actually going on, here, and in so many other aspects of our contemporary life, is an attack on the actual diversity of peoples, pushed in the name of promoting "diversity." (If that sounds insane, it is. But I am not the one pushing it.)
What would be nice here, would be if the Sioux Nation filed suit against the NCAA for trying to deny the Nation a recognition of their heritage in a land that once was theirs (The Dakotas). I do not know if they could find a Court to give a fair hearing; but it might be worth a try.
“So is Florida State next? Seminoles. PC in this country is OUT OF CONTROL. Whoever started this crap needs a big kick in the azz!”
When they change the name of the Washington Redskins football team, I will take this seriously. Everyone has to be PC except the hacks in DC.
By the way, would be a great Republican Ad to show the lunacy of this.
The “Fighting Irish” are next.
Only the sort of decayed sensibility that thinks nothing is worth fighting for and nothing is worth dying for is offended by American Indian athletic mascots.
With some odd exceptions like the Nebraska Cornhuskers and the Oklahoma Sooners, by and large, all human athletic mascots are tributes to martial virtue. Besides various American Indian mascots, there are the Fighting Irish, various Viking-named teams (notably the NFL franchise in Minnesota), the Yeshiva University Maccabees, the USC Trojans, and hosts of college and high school teams with names like the Knights, the Cavaliers, etc.
I am not offended by Viking mascots paying tribute to the ferocity of my Norwegian ancestors, and actually rather like it, for the same reason that members of tribes honored in the names of sports teams tend to support those teams and the maintenance of their mascots.
Only pacifists and faux pacifists who sneer at the notion of martial virtue could possibly be offended by the Fighting Sioux. Evidently the editorialist is of that ilk.
They could change their name to “The Fighting Sue!”
Maybe they could adapt that Johnny Cash song.
Or maybe they would get more applicants for their Law School.
Would it still be offensive if the “North Dakota Fighting Sioux” changed their name to the “North Sioux Fighting Dakotans?”
And why are “stolen place names” OK?
Maybe they should rename the state “North Farmerville” to avoid offending the Dakota tribe.
Though I personally like the “State of Bismarck.”
They could call the University teams the Bismarck Creamy Big Bites,” ——or would that offend people from New York City?
You know, as a person of a minority region, I’m personally offended by the sectionalist and divisive bigotry of a team that would call itself the “New York Yankees.”
They should go with something more appropriate for their city, like the “New York Nannies.” or maybe “The Ninnies.”
"Winter" would be more appropriate. They have only two seasons there: "Winter" and "Bad Ice".
I think they should retire the old name and logo. Then they could rename themselves the UND Cinder Blocks. After all it’s really hard to offend construction materials.
The Seminole tribe and FSU get along quite well, and UND and the Sioux should as well. The team names honor their respective tribes. This is just Liberal idiots sticking there noses into places they don’t belong, fomenting division for the sake of division and smug self-superiority that is completely undeserved. You don’t see those of Scandinavian heritage getting all upset about the Minnesota Vikings, do you? No, the name is chosen because the teams respect the qualities of their namesakes.
On FSU, here are two links of interest from the tribe and the university that speak to the issue. UND and the Sioux would do well to follow suit.
When teams take on a name, it’s because that name has significance. It’s a name with honor, and will be honored every time the teams take to the field.
Baseball, basketball, football, swimming, water polo, wrestling, and any other sports, will see games contested under the name of the Sioux.
The students will wear that name with pride. People will contemplate where the name originated, and realize that it is a fitting, noble, name.
If they do vote to change the name, I hope they replace it with the ‘Worry Warts’.
You win the conciseness award.
Any normal person understands that the newspapering world was overrun long ago by pecksniffy uber-liberal nanny-staters who want to stand over the rest of the human race as part of a Big Brother dystopian, totalist regime. They're maggots, in other words.
Vote "no" on anything maggot-infested as this phony controversy is, which is just a test of political strength and of the strength of their propaganda methods.
Do you think they care about this issue? They care about whether they can get over on Dakotan voters. That's what they care about.
Having gone to the University of North Dakota myself, I am sick of all this PC BS. About the Fargo forum, however, it is in Fargo, home of UND’s biggest rival, North Dakota State University. I can’t help but wonder, how much bias do the NDSU fans at the Fargo Forum have against UND?
How about the “Fighting 7th Cavalry”?
I am not an FSU fan, but I support their RIGHT to maintain their team name and mascot, and thus honor the Siminole Tribes in Florida.
Or maybe the "New York It-Fell-Off-a-Truck".
After having lived in N.D. for five years (1977 - 1983), and having endured windchill temps as low as -115, I can unequivocally state you are wrong. N.D. has four seasons. Just because Spring and Fall only last two weeks doesn't mean they don't exist.
Same here. And again, the Seminole tribe is on record as saying they LIKE it. So shut the heck up, NCAA and other PC idiots.
Disclosure: I'm an NDSU alumni and while our respective alma mater's have a healthy rivalry, I would not begin to claim veto rights over a rival school's mascot for any reason.
The Forum, when I lived there, claimed to be a Republican leaning newspaper. If so, it backed the establishment GOP to the hilt (see my Freeper page) and treated the quarter century long all-Democrat congressional team (Conrad, Dorgan & Pomeroy) like the national establishment press treats Obama.
Long story short is that it is not suprising to see that they have deterioriated to this much of a leftist bootlicker, but I wouldn't judge Fargo or NDSU by them.
Great idea, though I might just say “cavalry” and nickname them the “troopers.”
having a team named a people is an honor like the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame, the Minnesota Vikings, the Swedes of Bethany College in Lindsborg Kansas, etc. Eliminating the Fighting Souix would further reduce the number of non-white groups that are honored in this manner.
The Liberals hate these names not only because of the stated reasons, but also because they are uncomfortable with martial values in any form.
They do not want to be reminded that the Sioux were incredibly brave fighters because then they would have to acknowledge the worth of their warrior culture, and by extension other warrior cultures, including the American military, which they despise in all it’s forms — and that definitely includes surrogate warfare like American football.
If the Libs win this battle, they will simply choose another target. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate the warrior ethos completely, which means eliminating all forms of ritualized conflict, right down to chess and checkers.
What the F* is that provincial dog crap. Name them the Bismack Iron Chancellors.
What kind of provincial crap is that. Name them the Bismarck Iron Chancellors.
The Fighting Field Mice
The Fighting Hollyhocks
The Fighting Inchworms
I wonder if the PC monkeys in the NCAA would object if UND was called the North Dakota Fighting North Dakotans? How could they object to that? Is NDSU still called the Bison? I bet the PC slime bags looked at that, and just gave up trying to change that name.