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Zimmerman 'does not properly respect the law,' judge says in order revoking bond
Orlando Sentinal ^ | June 12, 2012 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 06/12/2012 9:02:42 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara

The judge who revoked George Zimmerman's bond did so after he determined that it was "apparent" that Zimmerman's wife had lied under oath, and clear that Zimmerman "does not properly respect the law."

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond on June 1, but his written order was filed Monday. In it, Lester lays out his rationale.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: stuartcr

Dispatcher or 911 operator?

You do know that they are two completely different things right?


151 posted on 06/12/2012 10:22:19 AM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: ozzymandus

What message do you think the dispatcher was trying to convey?

Finally admit??? I never denied it, did I?


152 posted on 06/12/2012 10:22:43 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

The Dispatcher or whoever said it to Zimmerman did not give a lawful order, and Zimmerman lost view of “No Limit Trayvon” which is also in the transcript. It is obvious that Trayvon doubled back to confront and he surprised Zimmerman. The belligerent aggressor was N.L. Trayvon.

It is a clear case of self-defense to everyone but to liberals, politicians, and rabble-rousers.


153 posted on 06/12/2012 10:22:53 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: freekitty
Sounds like the Judge doesn’t respect the law.

Sounds like the judge understands that the "Justice Brothers" know where he lives.

154 posted on 06/12/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: stuartcr
You believe all this would still have happened if he had taken the advice to not pursue the kid?

None of this would have happened if Trayvon had not gotten suspended from school, if he had stayed home, if he had not cold-cocked Zimmerman, if he had stopped his assault after he knocked him down, if he had not then gotten on top of him, if he had not slugged him again, .... and again, ....and again, if he had stopped when Zimmerman cried out for "help", again and again, if he had then not slammed his head on the concrete again and again, .... and then not grabbed for his gun.

How many times in that encounter did Trayvon have the opportunity to stop his assault and chose not to.

Perhaps tonite when you go to the grocery store you should stay in your car. That way you may just prevent that burglary or assault that would not have happened if you had just stayed in your car.

155 posted on 06/12/2012 10:23:45 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tublecane

Yes


156 posted on 06/12/2012 10:23:58 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Aunt Polgara
Among them, "this is a serious charge for which life may be imposed; the evidence against him is strong; he has been charged with one prior crime, for which he went through a pre-trial diversion program, and has had an injunction lodged against him" for domestic violence.

Aw, Jeez! This judge has been bought off. There is so much wrong with those statements.

This judge was Zimmerman's last hope for something approaching fairness and it looks like he's in with the lynch mob now.

157 posted on 06/12/2012 10:24:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: stuartcr

Zimmerman was already out of the car at that point moron...


158 posted on 06/12/2012 10:25:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Red Steel

Really? I’m flattered.

Do you know about when that list was put out? I’d like to view it.


159 posted on 06/12/2012 10:26:41 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

“but he was advised to not follow him”

No.

You read the transcript and apparently can’t get past racial politics and comprehend the fact the dispatcher never told him to “not follow him.”

You were on the OJ jury, weren’t you.

You ignore facts, you ignore the plain truth that a dispatcher has no authority to direct anyone to do anything—that is why the dispatcher never told him to do anything.

The dispatcher never told him to “stay in his car” as you allege and you agree because you cite the transcript where the dispatcher said they didn’t need him to follow—he did not direct him to “stay in his car” as you allege.

Therefore, factually, he was not “advised to not follow him.”

I must admit your posts are hugely amusing.

Seriously.

They are.


160 posted on 06/12/2012 10:27:31 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: stuartcr

It’s a shame, then, that Trayvon didn’t just go home like he would have if he had been scared of Zimmerman.


161 posted on 06/12/2012 10:28:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Eaker

Well, if you’d like, take every instance that I used the word kid, and substitute your word of choice.


162 posted on 06/12/2012 10:28:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

“You’re saying the dispatcher did not advise him to stay in the car?”

No, the dispatcher did not. They said, “We don’t need you to do that,” i.e. follow Martin, or something to that effect. Which is not legally binding, and therefore not relevant to his guilt or innocence. More importantly, for all we know Zimmerman obeyed it. Can you say for certain he continued to follow Martin after the advisement? I’d like to see that evidence.


163 posted on 06/12/2012 10:29:24 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Logical me

What is there to lose?


164 posted on 06/12/2012 10:29:50 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Eaker

“First, what “kid” are you talking about?”

He’s talking about this little 17 year old baby boy!

“By federal law (10 U.S.C., 505), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Military is 17 (with parental consent) and 18 (without parental consent). “


165 posted on 06/12/2012 10:30:30 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: stuartcr

Here we go, folks, *BUSTED*!

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:37:28 AM · 30 of 34

stuartcr to PubliusMM

I feel the same about Costner. You should try pushing yourself away from Fox News and not waiting to be pulled, it’s healthier.

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(They NEVER WATCH Faux News and so they don’t know)


166 posted on 06/12/2012 10:30:45 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: longtermmemmory
“black robe fever”.

Yep, I've seen it before, and it reflects in my tagline.

167 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:32 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: stuartcr

Just think if Trayvon had not gone to get tea and skittles, he would still be alive. Or maybe if Trayvon was not beating on George MMA style then Trayvon would still be alive.


168 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:49 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: papertyger

nice out, thanks


169 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: MindBender26
Rule #17: NEVER Piss Off a judge !

Yeah, look at how many years Bill Clinton got when he pissed off U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright...

Oh, that's right - American Royalty is more equal than a peasant like George Zimmerman, who apparently didn't learn enough "respect" for the law from his father, the judge...

170 posted on 06/12/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Hodar

“Zimmerman was an utter fool to do this - he now has given the Prosecution the best weapon they could possibly have hoped for, ‘reasonable doubt’.”

It seems he got what he deserved in terms of his bond but there’s no way this is part of the trial.


171 posted on 06/12/2012 10:32:31 AM PDT by Catphish
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

It’s a wonder the kid didn’t use it on Zimmerman’s car


172 posted on 06/12/2012 10:33:45 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
Do you know about when that list was put out? I’d like to view it.

I'm sure you know what list that is.

173 posted on 06/12/2012 10:34:14 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hodar

Do you post in a clown suit? Or do you just play a clown on Free Republic?


174 posted on 06/12/2012 10:34:41 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: stuartcr
Didn’t the kid attack him when he was returning to his vehicle?

Yes -- you got it, finally.

Now which of these two things is against the law:

1] returning to his vehicle or

2] attacking the person returning to his vehicle.

Take all the time you need and think hard about it.

175 posted on 06/12/2012 10:34:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: meatloaf

I agree, the transcript doesn’t account for what happened after the phone call was over.


176 posted on 06/12/2012 10:35:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: butterdezillion

“As far as I know, you’ve still never even presented a plausible scenario for how Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun, before bashing Zimmerman’s head on the concrete.”

One of the theories, backed by no evidence whatsoever, is that Martin attacked after Zimmerman brandished his gun.


177 posted on 06/12/2012 10:37:17 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Uncle Chip

He’s been outed for the LEFTIST he is.

See #166.


178 posted on 06/12/2012 10:37:20 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Hodar

“When you are in jail, and you know your phone calls are monitored, and you use code like “What should we do with the $100” ($100 = $100,000 - that’s one tough code, eh?)...”

Sure, if Capt. Zimmerman were a Secret Agent Man, like James Bond, working to save the USA from the USSR, he might have insisted on a better code that would have been more difficult to decipher.

However, there was no way that Zimmerman could have known that the Sanford PD would have the advanced CIA technology available to them needed to break that code.

Actually, it is quite scary that a small town PD would have the power, the technology, the array of Supercomputers and the wherewithal required to decipher a code that just a few years ago would have taken the CIA years to break.


179 posted on 06/12/2012 10:38:21 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: stuartcr

The words drug addicted, hoodlum thug come to mind.


180 posted on 06/12/2012 10:39:01 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: stuartcr
...’ok, we don’t need you to do that’...many people consider a suggestion like this, coming from a dispatcher, to be direction not to do it.

Obviously, a whole lot of people, don't.

And you must be among them as this is the first time on this entire thread you've correctly quoted what he was told.

181 posted on 06/12/2012 10:39:18 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Eaker

The transcript reads Dispatcher Sanford Police Department, right?


182 posted on 06/12/2012 10:39:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ApeStyle

Thanks. From time to time I do miss the proper word.


183 posted on 06/12/2012 10:39:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Red Steel

Just think what would have happened if he’d stayed in his car?


184 posted on 06/12/2012 10:41:15 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: wtc911

“Please provide proof (such as a neutral witness statement) that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Zimmerman’s injuries prove only that he can’t fight (but he sure can scream).They do not prove who started the fight at all”

I could say the most reasonable supposition from the evidence, including Zimmerman’s version, the medical reports, and eye witness testimony, is that Martin attacked Zimmerman. And it’s not so easy as you think to brush it off as Zimmerman being a bad fighter. He would have had to start the fight and not only lose but also not land a single blow, besides the one from his gun. That is incredible.

My supposition is not proof, but of course you don’t need proof to declare something on the internet. Luckily, the defense does not have to prove Martin started it in court, either, as the burden is on the prosecution.


185 posted on 06/12/2012 10:41:54 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: stuartcr
As someone that is considerably older than 12,...

you have an amazing ability to purposely ignore basic facts of this case and keep childishly asking

But why?...

Well, how come?...

Well why?....

But why?...

Well, how come?...

Well why?....

even though many posters have shown you why your premise is wrong.

186 posted on 06/12/2012 10:41:54 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: stuartcr

Why?


187 posted on 06/12/2012 10:42:36 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: montag813
That "kid" who was 7-8" taller

We conservatives need to drop the meme that Trayvon towered over Zimmerman in height; it's functionally the same as liberals who still claim that Zimmerman outweighed Trayvon by 70 pounds. They're both false and, with my apologies, it makes it look as if we don't know the facts.

The autopsy of Martin says he was 5'11". The police report made by the officer who saw Martin's body guessed he was 6'0" tall.

The "kid" was was 2" taller than 5'9" Zimmerman, that's all.

188 posted on 06/12/2012 10:43:07 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip

Just think, none of this would have happened if they both or either one, had done things differently!!!


189 posted on 06/12/2012 10:43:07 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

“Just think” if that kid hadn’t ATTACKED him and knocked him down and began pounding on him, “the kid” would still be alive.


190 posted on 06/12/2012 10:43:22 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

So, you’re saying that not watching Fox News means that he’s “leftist”?


191 posted on 06/12/2012 10:43:53 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: MileHi

He’s a LEFTIST.

See #166.


192 posted on 06/12/2012 10:44:35 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: stuartcr
I am saying that if he had stayed in his car as the dispatcher directed, then none of this would have happened.

Can you post for us the exact words of the dispatcher that night, where Zimmerman was when he heard them, what his response to those words were, and where he was returning to when Trayvon assaulted him???? Then no more of your uninformed posts will have to happen.

193 posted on 06/12/2012 10:45:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: stuartcr
Just think what would have happened if he’d stayed in his car?

Just "think" if 'No Limit' didn't double back to attack Zimmerman.

Your argument doesn't make any sense.

194 posted on 06/12/2012 10:45:58 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: stuartcr
He was advised to not go after the kid, right?

No. The dispatcher asked him to keep an eye on him.

195 posted on 06/12/2012 10:46:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MileHi; stuartcr

stuartcr is one of the nastiest people on FR. All he does is goad. That’s it.


196 posted on 06/12/2012 10:46:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: stuartcr

“Out?”


197 posted on 06/12/2012 10:46:39 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Clara Lou

“So, you’re saying that not watching Fox News means that he’s “leftist”?

NOT AT ALL. You’ve “surprisingly” missed the entire point.

Look at the way he refers to Fox News and has no clue that Fox News is not Right Wing, and view that in the light of all his posts on this subject.


198 posted on 06/12/2012 10:47:18 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs
He’s a LEFTIST.

I'll second that. Yes, I noticed that years ago about him.

199 posted on 06/12/2012 10:48:02 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: treetopsandroofs

Thanks for your explanation. I think your point might not have been as clear as you think.


200 posted on 06/12/2012 10:49:16 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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