Posted on 06/13/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by C19fan
Europe owes a lot to Greece. Not least for the inspiration that it has drawn pursuing human excellence throughout history to emerge as probably the most civilized part of the world, but perhaps still more for actually remaining free to this day through its heroic stand against Germany’s unprovoked aggression during the Second World War.
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Well, as somebody who read the book “Eleni,” I have a somewhat less favorable opinion about the Greeks during WWII.
And who will come to our aid when the Obamadork and his Clown Show of Felon/Cretins run out of our money?
Is there ever “provoked” aggression?
Greek populace.....meet the piper!!!
—And who will come to our aid when the Obamadork and his Clown Show of Felon/Cretins run out of our money?—
In my case, we are preppers. I think a lot of people are joining the ranks daily.
Nobody will come to our aid. It’s up to us. Kinda reminds me of the good old American spirit. ;-)
Zimmerman comes to mind.
In all my days I never thought I would see anyone mention that book on here. As soon as I saw the title of the post I thought of “Eleni” and was saying, “Yeah, maybe they weren’t invaded, but they sure threw their own people under the bus.” I can remember when “Eleni” was required reading in many conservative circles.
—Significantly more damaging, however, is the fact that the number of Greek immigrants has nearly doubled, including the “young blood” of Greece. —
This line really confused me. I think they mean “emigrated”.
The Greek tragedy is a point of great hope ... for the Cloward-Piven goons. It proves the strategy works on a national scale, so now they insist it be used on a global scale. I’m afraid only guillotines can solve such an evil mess.
You are confusing them with the communists who tried to use WW II as a cover to take over in post WW II.
Remember the comunists tried to take Greece when people were at their most miserable.
Yes, of course, it was Greek Communists who murdered Eleni. I’m no expert on Greek history so forgive me if I get some of my facts wrong. But in my reading of the book, the horrors that befell Eleni and her family started long before the end of World War II.
Sucks to be them, especially when the rioting starts.
A point of information:
Greece recently had TWO immigration amnesty programs back to back to address all the illegal aliens.
That said,
you now have soup lines for the first time since WW II. You also have a generation which has no clue how to talk to their “neighbor” for help. The goverment was seen as the neighbor who provides. You have people who simply do not know how to cope.
We can be all self rightous and a few can throw stones from the porches of their glass houses, however that does not change the fact that we have real people in real need. This is not a time for “ha ha”, this is a time to remind them about how to fish.
Yes! Eleni is a brilliant book and should be required reading for everyone. I would recommend the movie to you, too. It got devastatingly poor reviews when it opened and destroyed the career of the very great stage actress, Kate Nelligan. And John Malkovich’s leading man status (!!) went down considerably. I still think the film was destroyed by the left-wing press and they black-listed Nelligan for appearing in it.
The satellite images of North Korea and South Korea were not enough to convince these fools. Neither were the differences between East Germany and West Germany, the USA and the USSR, between Detroit of 1950 and Detroit of the 21st century.
Unfortunately, despite all its promises and all the good it has brought, the Information Age has empowered the scoundrels and fools of the world.
There is a need for some black humor on this thread. Most of us are whistling past the graveyard and scared to death of the future. At least, I am!
Guillotines will be used, eventually, when the Antichrist can’t get Christians to take his Mark of the Beast to buy or sell (not that you didn’t already know that).
To all: I am married to a Greek National - and we have both watched “Eleni” and read the book. ALL Greeks were not communists...there were conservatives who fought back during the Civil Unrest...Much of the communist activity occurred in northern Greece where children - boys and girls - were shipped off to Bulgaria and Albania to be “indoctrinated”...
I would suggest that we not paint all Greeks with a broad brush...my husband comes from a long line of Greek Conservatives (mainly from Mani and Sparta) and they were firmly against this communist incursion — and fought fiercely to put them down.
I do, wonder, however, if Melina Mecouri (the original limousine communist) and her rancid little husband, Jules Dassin, aren't burning in hell over their loving support of Greek communism while dining on the boulevards of Paris and Rome...
At this point, learning to fish ain’t gonna be enough. They have problems that will require extrication from the EU to solve, and I submit that artilleryman, infantryman, and piloting are among the skills that will be orders of magnitude more important in saving Greece than fishing.
Yep, I may be a cold hearted SOB but people need to learn that socialism DOES NOT work. If it takes images of Greeks starving to death then so be it.
Socialists never learn anything particularly European Socialists.
Exactly. What is happening in Greece will happen here. In a similar fashion.
Looks like they missed that bit about the Peloponnesian War. And as you've pointed out, WWII didn't exactly showcase the finer side of Gree kcivilization and humanitarian outlook, did it?
So true. A Socialist can crap in their pants and, with firm belief, blame someone else.
Funny that you use that analogy, because I’ve heard a similar thing said about the liberal nanny state in general -
“someone craps their pants and we ALL have to wear diapers”
I don’t know where you dreamed up the crap of sending a haha from my post. Do you know what the Cloward-Piven strategy is? Greece is a prime example of overloading the governemt system with too many employees and dependents being paid for out of the government coffer running on borrowed money. If you can’t see why the system collapsed then it does little good to fix it then go right back to the same process for it to collapse again. That’s hardly a haha, poster.
The problem is, the Greeks imagine that their OWED these things. They are not.
Maybe if they admitted their mistakes and asked nicely for charity people would be more willing to help?
And they still need to offer some sort of realistic plan of rectifying their mistakes.
bfl
So long ago. I’d forgotten. I was in the Pentagon when the movie came out. I recall there were several screenings of the movie around Washington. The late Jean Kirkpatrick (a true stateswoman) was a strong supporter of folks watching it.
“Germany’s Unprovoked Aggression”...
Just a little history. The “unprovoked aggression” was from Mussolini’s Italy. Hitler’s Balkans policy was not to rock the boat, because he didn’t want the Ploesti oilfields threatened. Mussolini attacked Greece without consulting the Germans. Greece’s problems with Germany started when Greece let British ground and air units into Greece. Thaty, the Germans would not let stand [Ploesti again]. And since Hitler was already going to attack Yugoslavia for a pro-British coup, adding Greece, and later Crete, to the list was merely a techinical porble.
I suspect they’d sooner learn how to fish—imagine having to teach Greeks how to fish!—on their own.
The last thing they need is the international community to come in and ‘help’ them.
Hi Miss Marmelstein - I didn’t say you stated that, so sorry if you thought that — that is why I addressed to all. I do believe that Greeks should be given some slack although their voting record overall seems abysmal...I cannot imagine going from a conservative like Karmanlis to an arch leftist like Papandreou. And now take a look at what they have...oh well.
And yes, one would hope Melina and hubby are paying their dues...although their daughter is a star on Greek TV with her own show.
“WWII didn’t exactly showcase the finer side of Gree kcivilization and humanitarian outlook, did it?”
I can say that it didn’t for some - but my Father In Law assisted downed Allied pilots to escape from occupied Greece to Turkey during the war...
Oh, that’s OK. I thought your comment was directed at me and I didn’t want you to think I was completely insensitive.
Hiroshima?
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