Posted on 06/13/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by MindBender26
Seriously?
I posted what you said in a specific post, and said that was what I was responding to with the information provided and now you want to talk about a different post trying to rationalize your view that Romney will do what you want, totally disregarding everything he has said.
There is a reason I quoted you and put the post number in my reply, however you have learned to attempt to deflect quite well.
Liberals are quite good at that. Catch them in an inconsistency and they change the subject.
I think you both need reading lessons and I’m certain you both are more interested in pi$$ing contests rather than accomplishing anything productive. My posts are very clear and consistent if you bother to carefully read them. Just think how thrilled Obama would be if he read your posts. Continued luck in doing his bidding, unintentional as it may be.
I think we got his attention.
Bingo.
While it is true that every person’s vote is an expression of their principles, it does not follow that those principles are necessarily conservative principles or Christian principles.
It is not possible to vote for Romney and be voting for conservative principles or Christian principles.
I would call that classic situationism for those who had formerly guided themselves by their Christian or conservative principles.
Xzins is absolutely right, here. Let's face it - BB and others can dress up their support for Romney all they want, but the fact remains that Romney is a progressive leftist. When we look at the sum total of his record, this fact becomes undeniable. It's not a "straw man" or a "caricature," it is a fact. Up until the point where Romney decided to run for President in the GOP primary - a decision he made sometime in early-to-mid 2007 - he was a leftist, even on things and at times when he did not "need" to be because of the "necessities" of being the governour of a state like Massachusetts. Face it - until 2007, Romney was a liberal. His decision-making, and the general results of his time in offce, were virtually indistinguishable from your standard left-wing Democrat.
What I find very telling is that for all the hee-hawing at me about how horrible I am for pointing out Romney's record by BB, Agamemnon, and the (if we're honest here) small contingent of the really committed pro-Romney people on here, the fact remains that they have not really ever been able to answer the points I've made about his record. Simply pointing fingers at me and accusing me of being anti-Mormon or of being a closet Obama supporter is not the same thing as making a reasoned defence of their candidate by actually refuting the arguments I make. Even in the few cases where the attempt has been made, the person arguing with me has been arguing with a straw man of what I said, and when forced to deal with what I was actually saying, have gone strangely silent.
The reason for this, of course, is that supporting Romney is simply indefensible for anyone claiming to be a conservative or a Christian. I am not saying that the people doing so are not conservatives and/or Christian, but that they are engaging in something that runs counter to the profession and principles that they believe themselves to hold.
It's one thing to be someone who sees no hope in a third party, and resigns themselves to taking the bitter pill and "having" to vote for Romney because "there's no other alternative." It's quite another to actively stump for the guy and to do so by basically ignoring everything he did and said prior to 2007 while spouting obvious nonsense like "Romney is pro-life" or "Romney doesn't believe in global warming."
Let's face it - for all his other faults, Romney IS cunning. He IS a political animal. He knows that there's no way he could win in the primaries if he campaigned as a liberal, hence his sudden "conversion" on a number of issues coinciding with his decision to run in the GOP primaries. He's smart enough to understand that Rudy Giuliani's approach of unabashed campaigning on leftist principles will get you about nowhere in the GOP primaries.
But all of you who actually believe that he's now the second coming of Ronald Reagan are being taken for saps. You're buying beachfront in Nebraska. You're all lucky that your telephone numbers are on the telemarketer do-not-call list, otherwise you'd be flat broke by next Wednesday.
Seriously people, a candidate's campaign can write whever it wants on its website, and a candidate can say whatever he thinks he has to in a speech. These don't really mean anything. None of it precludes Romney shaking the Etch-a-Sketch once again once he doesn't need to pander to conservatives anymore. Really, supporting Romney is like a hiring manager choosing to seriously consider a candidate for employment who is obviously lying on his resumé.
And don't bother trying to make the argument with me that "we can't really know what's in his heart." True. but give us enough credit for a little blithering common sense to be able to figure out when somebody's trying to sell us a bill of goods, okay?
It's really sad - over the past month, I've seen people who I *know* wuld otherwise stand for things like objective truth and non-situation morals suddenly turning around and make arguments that people who are actually standing on principles are the bad guys - not just that maybe we're wrong about something, but that we're just psychologically defective because we refuse to jump on board the Romney bandwagon. Sorry boys and girls, but I reject those arguments. I reject your attempts to turn it back around and to make it look like situational, pragmatic, whatever-it-takes-to-win-the-election-for-the-guy-with-the-R-after-his-name shifting sand "principles" you're espousing are the "true" principled position. It's not, and it never will be, no matter how much you pat yourselves on the back and try to fast-talk your way around the facts.
Wow. Your post is a keeper!
All I know is that I have no intent of being among the “we” when they realize they’ve been duped.
They can cheer for every big money left wing influence peddler to switch from Obama to Romney but they shouldn’t feign surprise when that same influence is peddled to Romney.
Yash, I can only disagree with this point. I will say they are not conservative or christian for the obvious reasons that one cannot do something contrary to the very core of conservatism and christianity respectively, and still logically claim to be those things.
If a person drinks a case of beer a day, they can’t claim with a straight face they are sober.
If a man has sex with other men, he can’t claim to be hetrosexual.
And if a person votes for a man with Romney’s liberal record, they cannot be either conservative or christian. They can claim it until pigs dance the macarena. But they are only lying to themselves and others.
When Pelosi goes out and praises Planned Barenhood and then spews her catholocism, should we believe her to be a devoutcatholic? Nope.That would be stupid. Same for these ABOs.
That’s an excellent point. Someone willing to vote for Romney and claiming to be a serious conservative is like Nancy Pelosi claiming to be a devout Catholic.
People like Pelosi are why many people are so put off by religion. And likewise people like the abo types are no different.
Running around saying “I’m a conservative!” and then going out to vote for a documented liberal REGARDLESS OF THE REASON makes people thing “hypocrite”.
And why shouldn’t they? You can’t be ‘a little pregnant’. This isn’t some minor little thing. This is central to our whole philosophy. The concept of voting for a man with Romney’s record is a conservative thing to do is absurd. But there’s a parade of ‘conservatives’ doing that very thing. So what other core belief will be compromised next?
I’m so tired of this crap. So few people left have any integrity. And they just make excuse after excuse.
Sometimes I fear the frog on the pot is just about cooked.
Sometimes I fear the frog in the pot is just about cooked.
Romney sucks.
Obama sucks more.
Do you really see Romney making our borders completely open as Obama is?
Do you see Romney favoring illegal Mexican border crossers over US workers?
Do you think Romney would have forced the military to welcome gays?
Do you think Romney would have favored the unions over investors in the Chrysler bankruptcy?
Do you think Romney would have tried to stop Boeing from opening a non-union plant in South Carolina?
Do you think Romney would have given 500 million, JUST LAST WEEK to a former ACORN officer?
Solindra?
Van Jones?
Sotameyer?
Black reparations?
Jihadists in the WH?
Bill Ayres anywhere?
Corpse-men?
Michelle... no, I'll be kind....
Reducing the military to the status where they will not be able to defend us?
Abandoning Israel?
Abandoning the freedom forces in Iran?
Supporting the Arab Spring (Radical Islamic Revolution?)
Supporting OWS?
Ask yourself one question? What will Obama do when he isn't worried about reelection?
It's fine to discuss Romney as an intellectual exercise. As the candidate of the party that is supposed to be more Conservative, he sucks.
But, who do you want as President, Romney or Obama? Every vote, including yours, will help put one of them in office.
If you think is doesn't matter, remember Florida in 2000 and the people in 2008 who said, “McCain is no conservative. Sit home or elect Obama. How much damage can he do in 4 years?”
Now we know!
Romney may suck as a conservative, but Obama is trying to destroy America. It's that simple.
I really want to believe (Call me agent Mulder ;) that there’s still hope. But I don’t really. Most Republicans and ‘conservatives’ are anything but. They sold out the country with ‘compromise’.
I would respectfully ask all your reading of 1054.
PS, no Romneybot here. I maxed out to the conservatives in the primary.
“Romney may suck as a conservative, but Obama is trying to destroy America. It’s that simple. “ So abandon everything you supposedly believe in and vote for him. Your call.
Obama will make my beliefs illegal.
As an example, he will most certainly appoint SCOTUS judges who will say the 2d Amendment applies to “organized” National Guard only. Good bye firearms.
I’m not going to share their blame. They know what Romney is and they can carry that burden all by themselves.
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